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Subject: Quitting even affecting the H2 Challenge
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Alright, so closing this thread wouldn't make much sense as the only thing it has in common is the topic of quitting, which should be discussed.

A lot of peoples' defense of quitters rests solely on the basic idea that if you don't want to play with quitters, don't play with strangers. Go into a game with a full team of four.

While I disagree with this entirely and am of the opinion that the game should be designed well enough for online play that people shouldn't be subject to other peoples' lack of commitment, this raises another question about quality gaming.

In the H2 Challenge, people are constantly quitting if they don't start strong - and then others are quitting who got top 3 because they don't want to wait until the next game.

At times, this is causing a blue screen for all players involved, at the end of the game mostly. I just had one game where everyone quit but 4 of us before the game over process was completed, and it tripped something and all 4 of us ended up playing another round from 0 that wasn't even counted at the end.

Your quitting affects other people, so please stop. Playing this game in environments where others rely on your presence to enjoy it the same as you requires you to be a tad less selfish.

That is all.

  • 06.16.2007 8:45 PM PDT
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First of All: Stop Your Crying
You will never stop quitters.
Secondly: Your post will not change the world of gaming.
Thirdly: You probly are a noob anyway.
Fourth: Find some friends
then you wont have to worry about quitters.
Fifth: but what about h2 challenge?
YOU WONT WIN ANYWAYS WHY DOES IT MATTER

  • 06.16.2007 8:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: XBigNP21X
First of All: Stop Your Crying
You will never stop quitters.
Secondly: Your post will not change the world of gaming.
Thirdly: You probly are a noob anyway.
Fourth: Find some friends
then you wont have to worry about quitters.
Fifth: but what about h2 challenge?
YOU WONT WIN ANYWAYS WHY DOES IT MATTER
Ironic. Will this guy get banned for a bit now too?

Let me enlighten you a bit by posting what I recently sent to a mod, just so I can save my time typing.

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You know what, actually I think I will digress a bit.

I'm self employed, and I work from home. I doubt someone such as yourself has the ability or the intelligence to accomplish something like this and I take great pride in the amount of free time I afford myself.

I shouldn't have to explain such things to you - but calling into question my quality of life based on your own pathetic paradigm of the world is not only childish, it's lame.

So, in short - because I do not suck at life and I have the freedom to not only play the game but also the tenacity to question the motivations of it's makers; I am judged by some power-drunk mod of a video game forum. Your opinion really doesn't have much weight.

Yes, I maybe was a bit too harsh in the previous thread - but something that frustrates consumers and avid players SHOULD be allowed to be discussed without a fascist hand to come along and wipe it out because it's not comfortable. It speaks volumes about you as an individual and I really hope your life does not suck because your outlook on life is so simple.

Have a good one.

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  • 06.16.2007 8:57 PM PDT
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STFU people have a right to quit WHENEVER they feel like it

  • 06.16.2007 9:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: WTF Halocide
STFU people have a right to quit WHENEVER they feel like it

You're absolutely right, they do.

I'm just asking for people to not be selfish, what's wrong with that?

by the way mods, is "STFU" adhering to the "the "play nice" rule" ? Just want to be absolutely clear ;)

  • 06.16.2007 9:08 PM PDT
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LOL you should write a book. I think you should title it I USE BIG WORDS BECAUSE IM OLD WITH A JOB AND I PLAY HALO AND POST ON THE HALO FORUM AND TRY TO OUTSMART KIDS WHO WILL AMOUNT TO MORE THAN I DO BECAUSE IM MAD AT THE WORLD BECAUSE I DONT HAVE ANY FRIENDS AND I HAVE TO PLAY HALO TO FEEL ACCEPTED, EVEN IF IT IS WITH TWELVE YEAR OLDS. OR MAYBE I LIKE TWELVE YEAR OLDS.OMG

  • 06.16.2007 9:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: ap0klyptk
Posted by: WTF Halocide
STFU people have a right to quit WHENEVER they feel like it

You're absolutely right, they do.

I'm just asking for people to not be selfish, what's wrong with that?

by the way mods, is "STFU" adhering to the "the "play nice" rule" ? Just want to be absolutely clear ;)

Wow your dumb for a -blam!- ing adult.

[Edited on 06.16.2007 9:10 PM PDT]

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Posted by: XBigNP21X
LOL you should write a book. I think you should title it I USE BIG WORDS BECAUSE IM OLD WITH A JOB AND I PLAY HALO AND POST ON THE HALO FORUM AND TRY TO OUTSMART KIDS WHO WILL AMOUNT TO MORE THAN I DO BECAUSE IM MAD AT THE WORLD BECAUSE I DONT HAVE ANY FRIENDS AND I HAVE TO PLAY HALO TO FEEL ACCEPTED, EVEN IF IT IS WITH TWELVE YEAR OLDS. OR MAYBE I LIKE TWELVE YEAR OLDS.OMG


lol, you're not the brightest are you?

[Edited on 06.16.2007 9:19 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2007 9:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: ap0klyptk
[quote]Posted by: XBigNP21X
LOL you should write a book. I think you should title it I USE BIG WORDS BECAUSE IM OLD WITH A JOB AND I PLAY HALO AND POST ON THE HALO FORUM AND TRY TO OUTSMART KIDS WHO WILL AMOUNT TO MORE THAN I DO BECAUSE IM MAD AT THE WORLD BECAUSE I DONT HAVE ANY FRIENDS AND I HAVE TO PLAY HALO TO FEEL ACCEPTED, EVEN IF IT IS WITH TWELVE YEAR OLDS. OR MAYBE I LIKE TWELVE YEAR OLDS.OMG

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Edited on 06.16.2007 9:22 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2007 9:20 PM PDT
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Yo -blam!-z gOTta b talkIn -blam!- baK iT Up NUCCa SUKKa FreE SuNDAyS -blam!-!

  • 06.16.2007 9:24 PM PDT
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Why are you whining?

Your rank goes up in FFA when people quit. I am ussually happy when people quit in FFA games.

  • 06.16.2007 9:25 PM PDT
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Your definately a child molester man leave me alone and stop private messaging me.

  • 06.16.2007 9:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: xfire grunt
Why are you whining?

Your rank goes up in FFA when people quit. I am ussually happy when people quit in FFA games.

But you don't understand. It's not about rank. Even when the other team quites, the loss of a potentially challenging, fun game is lost in addition to the time wasted on the loading screen.

  • 06.16.2007 9:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: XBigNP21X
Your definately a child molester man leave me alone and stop private messaging me.
Ok, that is uncalled for.

I'd stay away from using that in your arsenal of insults.

I know it's about the most clever thing you can come up with but it is highly inappropriate.

  • 06.16.2007 9:29 PM PDT

Death Proof Inc.

Ok...i was reading some of the posts here and...did i seriously see this guy use word like "adhering", "paradigm", "tenacity", "avid", "fascist hand"(conspiracy theory anyone?)...seriously are you kidding me with this...dude..this isn't some high class book here ok...this is a forum for A VIDEO GAME...relax dude..your not impressing anyone here with your "astonishing linguistics" (see i can do it too...) anyway! just..calm yourself or something dude...eat a Twinkie and chill for a bit..your arguing wit a bunch of teens,,,have you realized this...prolly not..anyway back to the point...yes quitting is annoying SOMETIMES...but hey..I'm sure the others here will admit...when someone on the other team quits its GREAT FUN to team up and tromp on the people that are left...right...am i right...who's with me?

seriously calm down...if your career is so good...why do you play games then argue wit kids about them...i mean I'm 18 and i play this in my free time...do you think I'm about to come on here and argue with people younger than me...focus on your work man...maybe they listen to you there...if they accept you that is...but if this is the only place you fit in...thats cool too...(i guess)

quit if you want..dont quit if you want...either way its bound to happen...GET OVER IT...cry to someone who cares!

  • 06.16.2007 9:38 PM PDT
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Whatever smart guy ive already complained to Bungie. Hope you like being banned

  • 06.16.2007 9:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: d1sturb3d on3
Ok...i was reading some of the posts here and...did i seriously see this guy use word like "adhering", "paradigm", "tenacity", "avid", "fascist hand"(conspiracy theory anyone?)...seriously are you kidding me with this...dude..this isn't some high class book here ok...this is a forum for A VIDEO GAME...relax dude..your not impressing anyone here with your "astonishing linguistics" (see i can do it too...)
If all you got out of my posts is the impression that I'm trying to impress people with everyday language then I really feel sorry for you and your poor reading comprehension skills.

Deep inside my topics here are some very valuable lessons for a lot of these kids, lessons I am happy to dole out over and over again.

Lessons like:

When things get hard, don't just give up.

Think not only of yourself.

Don't allow anyone or anything to dictate how you think, feel or act - no matter how authoritative they are or can be.

These are important lessons, and the fact that a vast majority of these "kids" don't have these lessons ingrained already really does make me feel pity for them and for what the world will become.

I am being 100% dead serious here.

  • 06.16.2007 9:44 PM PDT

Death Proof Inc.

ok...ok...i see your point...yea..i do..but can you see mine...ITS A FLIPPING GAME DUDE... if they wanna learn the lessons they will...we = teens...you = lonely guy who lives wit his mommy...

ITS A GAME...PLEASE CALM YOURSELF...you wont change the world...its a game..take it as it is..as a game..people do what they want...its called freedom...what...don't you like freedom?...do you have something against people being free?...

  • 06.16.2007 9:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Nope. I can't be banned - I wrote the code for the site.

Posted by: Camouflaged
]Have you been banned Achronos?

i understand your frustration for quitters and adhere to your problem. however, the quitting problem needs to be looked at from both sides.

from the quitter's perspective:
basically this comes down to the reason for quitting. a quitter can quit for a number of reasons. some valid ones include having to answer the phone/door, unexpected emergencies and bowl movements...? (i wanted to throw the last one in unexpected emergencies, but felt it would be better listed)

some invalid reasons for quitting include things like being angry for having a bad start or just dont like the map/gametype/whatever.


from the rest of the team's perspective:
unless the quitter gives a reason for leaving, which usually only happens when there is a valid reason for quitting, the rest of the team is left with a guy who leaves the team, which in most cases will leave the team down a man which could cause problems down the road for the team. all the team knows is that this guy quit for whatever reason, basically flipping off his own teammates as he leaves.


now those in favor in quitting whenever you feel like it might use the arguement, "i have the right to quit whenever i feel like quitting." but, here comes a rebuttal: I have the right to enjoy a videogame and your act of quitting is ruining my rights.

now we are in a deadlock. the quitter has equal rights of the non quitter. but wait one second, if one person quits, there are 3 people left angry, as opposed to one person staying and being angry. so what is better, 1 angry person or 3 angry persons? the answer is obivous. however, the solution is not so much.

the problem with this reasoning is we cannot know the reasons for quitting unless the quitter specifically tells us, so we have to give the quitter the benefit of the doubt, but still enforce something that will deter invalid quitters.

solution A: do not allow a quitter to start another game until the one he left finshes.
solution B: take extra points off for quitting
solution C: incorporate a quit %, which is used for matchmaking to match those who quit a lot with others with the same status, separating quitters from those who finish games.
solution D: wait period after a game is quitted that increases as the person quits more and more games within a time period, which a 24 hour period would be appropriate. this could be like A, but for every game quit after the first one in a 24 hour period, the time that was waited for every game that needed to be finished will be added to each other.

example:
person quits game 1 5 minutes before it ends. total wait time: 5 minutes.
person quits game 2 10 minutes before it ends. total wait time: 15 minutes.
person quits game 10 7 minutes before it ends. total wait time: 22 minutes.

now if you do not like solution D or any of the other solutions, please show me how this would harm those who quit for legit reasons, which would only happen rarely, as opposed to those who quit because they dont like the game or whatever blah, blah, blah. note: connection problems are a reoccuring problem, so either fix it or face the consequences.

  • 06.16.2007 9:49 PM PDT
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Bravo we have found a genius. I personally like A. Because if someone has an unreliable connection or bowel problems then D would be harsh. You need to send this to Xbox Live. Nice post to get this forum back on track. That smartguy was trying to change the world and not propose any solutions.

  • 06.16.2007 9:56 PM PDT

Death Proof Inc.

ok for once im not going to complain with what someone said (sorta)... "hiddenxmessage" i have a question for you...see theres one more reason that it displays the "...quit" message at the top of your screen...its called lagging out...not everyone has good connections...i hate those people...but anyway...how do you expect them to be dealt with...is it really fair to them to punish them for a crappy connection?...

for example: i was playing a game on halo 3's beta...5 minutes into the game i lagged out...i lost and RP and a rank...is it fair that i lose that because i lagged out...i dont think so...i was in second place..why should i get punished for the one time i actually lag out...this is fair nor is it acceptable...do you...do you think this is fair?

  • 06.16.2007 9:57 PM PDT

Death Proof Inc.

but yea hidden you did a pretty good job..just wanted to know your thoughts on the lagging out thing is all

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Posted by: ap0klyptk
Posted by: XBigNP21X
Your definately a child molester man leave me alone and stop private messaging me.
Ok, that is uncalled for.

I'd stay away from using that in your arsenal of insults.

I know it's about the most clever thing you can come up with but it is highly inappropriate.


Don't you always hate when there are thirty year olds playing on XBL. Its kinda creepy to hear in a message from someone who you think is twelve or at the highest eighteen say something about looking after kids and thet he won't be able to play for a month. YEah I got a message like that....i deleted him from my friends list.

  • 06.16.2007 10:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Nope. I can't be banned - I wrote the code for the site.

Posted by: Camouflaged
]Have you been banned Achronos?

Posted by: d1sturb3d on3
ok for once im not going to complain with what someone said (sorta)... "hiddenxmessage" i have a question for you...see theres one more reason that it displays the "...quit" message at the top of your screen...its called lagging out...not everyone has good connections...i hate those people...but anyway...how do you expect them to be dealt with...is it really fair to them to punish them for a crappy connection?...

for example: i was playing a game on halo 3's beta...5 minutes into the game i lagged out...i lost and RP and a rank...is it fair that i lose that because i lagged out...i dont think so...i was in second place..why should i get punished for the one time i actually lag out...this is fair nor is it acceptable...do you...do you think this is fair?

the lag out because of a bad connection is a tough issue, some people lag out because of bad connections, and some lag out because they cannot take a loss and so they pull the plug. but who can tell? we have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

would you sacrifice 5 minutes of your time once and a while to solve a much larger problem of chronic quitters? for me i know i would be frustrated a bit from a legit lagout, which does happen every now and then, but if it keeps my teammates from quitting for poor reasons, then so be it.

and also, it is the 21st century, and if you can afford a) an xbox or a 360 b) xbox live c) the videogame. cant you afford an internet connection better than dial up?

  • 06.16.2007 10:06 PM PDT

Death Proof Inc.

lol same here i cant stand that...creeps me out too dude

  • 06.16.2007 10:07 PM PDT

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