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Subject: Quitting even affecting the H2 Challenge
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Posted by: Achronos
Nope. I can't be banned - I wrote the code for the site.

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Posted by: d1sturb3d on3
ok see now we were making progress wit the whole subject of this post and here you twits are changing the friggin subject again..look i dont care how old or lonely you people are lets just get back on friggin subject...QUITTERS...NOT how old you all are...jesus christ people this is ridiculous..if you wanna change the subject make another post.. omg thisis retarded...its like a bunch of pre-schoolers arguing over the last cookie...NO BODY CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...omg...now back to wut we were talking about in the first place...

QUITTERS ARE ANNOYING BUT HEY WTF...DO WHAT YOU WANT...ITS A FREE WORLD..ALL YOU DO IS MAKE IT EASIER FOR ONE TEAM AND HARDER FOR ANOTHER..GO HEAD DO WHAT YOU WANT...FREEDOM PEOPLE...FREEDOM...SO GET OVER IT ITS GONNA HAPPEN...

now..if we could leave the whole age thing out of this..perhaps just maybe....we can get back on track and get this whole thing over with...omg you people are ridiculous... now where the f*** is hiddenxmessage... we seem to be the only two that can get this back in gear...

ENOUGH WITH THE AGE FACTOR...NO BODY CARES ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

sorry, i was at work. i tend to ignore all the meaningless posts because stopping spam is like stopping quitting. it is not going to happen, but the point of my earlier posts (addressed to spammers) was to try and find a way to make casual/chronic quitting less beneficial while not harming quitting with a reason.

to summarize what the main points that were discussed, well, here it goes:

people quit for 3 reasons:
-lag out
-important buisness
-simply dislike the current game

problem:
it doesnt matter how someone quits, the team that loses a player in normal circumstances will be at a huge disadvantage when they lose a player, especially in objective games, leaving the remaining teammates infuriated and making a game that was enjoyable, now not fun at all. those left on the team would like some preventative measures taken to help curb the quitting problem.

against preventive measures:
those against a change in the current system argue that it is a person's every right to quit, because they paid the money for the game, and argue that if something important comes up or if thier network takes a dump, why should they be punnished for it?

for preventive measures:
those for making changes to the current system in an attempt to put a halt to the quitting problem point out that the vast majority of people who quit do so purposely, and not because something important comes up, so those who did quit because they had to instead of wanting to will be hardly effected by the proposed countermeasures.

most popular solutions:
-quit %
a lifelong quit percentage stat will be kept with all the rest of your stats, either visible or not, to match a player up with similar quit percentage stats to keep those who quit frequently away from those who want a team that grinds it out to the end.
pro's
-separates quitters from not quitters
-those who quit for urgent reasons should still have a good percentage as long as they do not quit chronically

con's
-percentages become hard to change at high numbers
-fails to help those with network issues
-does not neccessarily deter quitting, it merely separates those who quit from those who dont. the thought is that people wont want to play with other quitters therefore they will want to keep thier percentages up. this claim is true for those who do not quit, but is unproven for those who quit frequently


wait period after a game is quit
after a person prematurely finishes a game, they will have to wait for a period of time before they can start another game. the actual wait period has been hotly debated, but a general consensus has been given to be until the game that they quit is finished. this idea has been implemented in Call of Duty 3, and seems to be generally successful.

pro's
-a system like this has already been used
-a deterrent is present in the form of a wait period for those who quit frequently
-those who quit for urgent reasons should not have problems with this because by the time they get back, the wait period should be lifted

con's
-fails to address those who have connection problems
-[any more help here would be appreciated]

  • 06.17.2007 10:55 PM PDT

Death Proof Inc.

i was thinking and...i think what we're missing here is that quitting really isnt all that big of a problem...here me out...

the whole point of bringing the quitting thing up is because all you guys want is to have a good time while playing your favorite game...ok i agree its good to have fun with whatever it is your doing...but this is what im getting at here...quitting does what...leaves a team with either an advantage or disadvantage right?...how bout this guys...what would you rather bungie using their time for...finding and banning quitters...OR...using their time to find and get rid of r-tards that mod..and standby...dont you think this is a bigger problem..i do..modders and standbyers make me more mad than the occasional quit out...

i mean come on...sure the kid quits...but he wasnt launching 50 rockets out of his pistol now was he...see the thing wit you guys is...it almost seems as though you want everyone who doesnt see this game like you to get banned...how bout you let bungie take their time to make the game fair by getting rid of modders and standbyers...

idk about you guys..but if i had to choose what i wanted to deal with in a game...sorry but ill take the quitters please...

its amazing that we all here have our opinions yet no one here brought up the bigger problem of just straight up cheating...well i was glad to

so in your next posts (if you so see fit) tell us...what would you prefer were taken care of... cheaters...or quitters...

**and to you cheaters that will prolly post in defense of themselves and other cheater friends...SHUT UP YOU HAVE NO LIVES...YOU NEED TO CHEAT TO WIN NOBODY LOVES YOU...YOU RUIN IT FOR THE REST OF US..

thanks, , ,

  • 06.18.2007 4:06 AM PDT

Death Proof Inc.

o and before someone says quiting is cheating...just think about this...

Quitter = lagger, busy person, or someone that does not turn the tied of battle cuz they suck cuz they quit...
Cheater = guy who launches brute shots out of plasma pistol, automatic head shot with the sniper no matter what, 50 rockets out of pistol..(you get the point)

just wanted to make sure we were clear on the difference

[Edited on 06.18.2007 4:10 AM PDT]

  • 06.18.2007 4:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: ap0klyptk
Don't allow anyone or anything to dictate how you think, feel or act - no matter how authoritative they are or can be.


No offense, but couldn't that be taken to mean don't listen to you about this whole quitting thing?

EDIT: Again, no offense meant by that.

[Edited on 06.18.2007 6:39 AM PDT]

  • 06.18.2007 6:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: ap0klyptk
Posted by: XBigNP21X
Your definately a child molester man leave me alone and stop private messaging me.
Ok, that is uncalled for.

I'd stay away from using that in your arsenal of insults.

I know it's about the most clever thing you can come up with but it is highly inappropriate.


I agree, there's something wrong with that guy.

  • 06.18.2007 6:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Nope. I can't be banned - I wrote the code for the site.

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]Have you been banned Achronos?

Posted by: d1sturb3d on3
i was thinking and...i think what we're missing here is that quitting really isnt all that big of a problem...here me out...

the whole point of bringing the quitting thing up is because all you guys want is to have a good time while playing your favorite game...ok i agree its good to have fun with whatever it is your doing...but this is what im getting at here...quitting does what...leaves a team with either an advantage or disadvantage right?...how bout this guys...what would you rather bungie using their time for...finding and banning quitters...OR...using their time to find and get rid of r-tards that mod..and standby...dont you think this is a bigger problem..i do..modders and standbyers make me more mad than the occasional quit out...

i mean come on...sure the kid quits...but he wasnt launching 50 rockets out of his pistol now was he...see the thing wit you guys is...it almost seems as though you want everyone who doesnt see this game like you to get banned...how bout you let bungie take their time to make the game fair by getting rid of modders and standbyers...

idk about you guys..but if i had to choose what i wanted to deal with in a game...sorry but ill take the quitters please...

its amazing that we all here have our opinions yet no one here brought up the bigger problem of just straight up cheating...well i was glad to

so in your next posts (if you so see fit) tell us...what would you prefer were taken care of... cheaters...or quitters...

**and to you cheaters that will prolly post in defense of themselves and other cheater friends...SHUT UP YOU HAVE NO LIVES...YOU NEED TO CHEAT TO WIN NOBODY LOVES YOU...YOU RUIN IT FOR THE REST OF US..

thanks, , ,

yes, cheating is a bigger problem. i agree with you there. now in halo 2 since the banahammer update a month or so ago i havent run into any modders and maybe only 1 standbyer, so i think bungie has really cracked down on those guys. it isnt perfect, but these things happen so infrequently now.

glitching is another form of cheating, but there is nothing bungie can do apart from basically redesigning halo 2, which would run too high of a risk for the glitching problem.

carrying on, 1 modder>1quitter in terms of frustration, but there are far more quitters than modders nowadays that people run into, so bungie has slowed down the big modding and standbying problem, so now they should go down the list to the next worse problem, which would be quitting.

of course halo 2 is past its prime, so when i am writing all of this it is for the intent of being put into halo 3. and speaking of halo 3, it as we all know is only on the 360, which a 360 runs a very high risk for modding because of the high cost of the system unlike the original xbox which could be modded in 15 minutes if you knew what you were doing.

so the modding problem in halo 3 is going to be much less due to a) harder to mod a 360 b) impoved banahammer. standbying, at least from what i have seen in the beta (325 games) was almost non-existant.

so now it is down to quitting. bungie takes away 2 points from your rating points anytime you quit, regardless of the reason, even network problems. so bungie does care about quitters therefore the wait period would be not so far off of bugie's sights, not to mention that it wont take all that much code to implement.

  • 06.18.2007 7:29 AM PDT
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Kids complaining about adults playing video games? Pretty dumb. I'm pretty sure the MAKERs of Halo are grown ups who are video game fanatics, just like a ton of people out there.

I guess the ones who are saying that bull-blam!- are gonna stop playing when they get older. I hope this is true, so we true gamers don't have to deal with them.

BTW: I agree with the making quitters wait for the amount of time left in the the game they just quit.

[Edited on 06.18.2007 8:18 AM PDT]

  • 06.18.2007 8:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: XBigNP21X
First of All: Stop Your Crying
You will never stop quitters.
Secondly: Your post will not change the world of gaming.
Thirdly: You probly are a noob anyway.
Fourth: Find some friends
then you wont have to worry about quitters.
Fifth: but what about h2 challenge?
YOU WONT WIN ANYWAYS WHY DOES IT MATTER


In fact u can stop quitters, just make a penalty ingame for it like a lot of other game developers already did.
Example: IF u quit a game, then u cant join matchmaking for the next 15 minutes. Then your sure they quit cause they need to go, not cause they are losing.

  • 06.18.2007 8:49 AM PDT

Sometimes my chest, my large, burly-manly chest- gets sweaty and pumped. My strong, glistening pecs ripple and flex, looking for all the world like two bronze platters of man meat stewing in the God light of heaven. Imagine them, my pecs, so strong and supple. Perfectly hairless. Perfectly shapely and strong. Would you like to rest against them? Would you like to feel their power and know that you are safe? Here, in my arms?

You bet you would.

You total flamed out fanny bandits.

  • 06.18.2007 11:24 AM PDT

Damn you roor!

It's not a bad idea to force someone to break for 15 min if they quit a Ranked Team game. FFA and unranked this wouldn't apply. I also think if you're playing 4v4 and someone on the other team quits they should force even teams. Make it 3v3 and rotate teammates out when they die. It would still be the 4v3 'powerplay' until someone died.

  • 06.18.2007 12:10 PM PDT

Take me 1v1 and ill pooooop on you

Apoklyptik i wouldnt complain in the first place.

Your Record in H2 Challenge is 0-66
Who plays 66 games and never wins any?


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  • 06.18.2007 1:00 PM PDT

Take me 1v1 and ill pooooop on you

You must be a nerd then because your not 0-66 you druggy

Almost as bad ur 1-55

Dumb nub


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  • 06.18.2007 1:23 PM PDT

Ok, I would like to know how you all can team up on the thread starter and call him ridiculous things like 'prick' and ...lol..'child molestor'. You guys assume he's old because he has a job, or knows proper english. Seriously... only illiterate fools who live their lives on a halo forum could get mad at someone for using 'big words' which aren't even big at all. Someone actually brought up that 'fascist hand' was a big and hard-to-comprehend statement....lol, poor fella. Now, what the hell is this:

Posted by: XBigNP21X
First of All: Stop Your Crying
You will never stop quitters.
Secondly: Your post will not change the world of gaming.
Thirdly: You probly are a noob anyway.
Fourth: Find some friends
then you wont have to worry about quitters.
Fifth: but what about h2 challenge?
YOU WONT WIN ANYWAYS WHY DOES IT MATTER


LOL. Lets see that first statement again. "First of All: Stop Your Crying" Why say that? Why? You would have to be angry or feel provoked by his post to start yours with that... which would have to make you a quitter. He wasn't even crying, how could you possible guess if he's crying or not... that's quite impossible.

"Secondly: Your post will not change the world of gaming." Wow, do you think he actually got on that day, and posted that thinking "if I post this, i will change the world of gaming and NO ONE will ever quit again." NO! He merely wanted to let quitters know that everyone else has to suffer for their quitting.

"Thirdly: You probly are a noob anyway.".........I'm just gonna refrain from responding to that....lmao.

  • 06.18.2007 1:52 PM PDT

Posted by: xVx EmPiRE PrO
You must be a nerd then because your not 0-66 you druggy

Almost as bad ur 1-55

Dumb nub


So, I'm guessing only people with good stats in halo can dislike certain features in the game... hmm, this is new to me.

  • 06.18.2007 2:02 PM PDT

Take me 1v1 and ill pooooop on you

Kcub is a NERD


Apoklyptik is a NERD

STFU do something else than try to act smart in a forum to little kids. GET A LIFE


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  • 06.18.2007 2:21 PM PDT

Whoa, how am I a nerd? I have like 600 games played... whereas you're pushing 4000...pathetic kid. Your post didn't even have to do with anything, you just stated that me and apoklyptik are nerds...lol. Trying to act smart... more like YOU'RE trying to act like a badass, to no avail.

  • 06.18.2007 2:31 PM PDT

Take me 1v1 and ill pooooop on you

4000 games yea becuase im actually still in high school and im not a 40 year -blam!- that plays after work
Also because im actually good at the game and i play more and win comptetions to get free money and prizes

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  • 06.18.2007 3:32 PM PDT

Yeah, im in high school as well, that doesn't mean anything. The reason i only have 600 games is because I'm trying to maintain a successful football carreer and keep a healthy social life... for you to have 4000 means there must not be much you do... except play halo.

  • 06.18.2007 3:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: xVx EmPiRE PrO
Kcub is a NERD


Apoklyptik is a NERD

STFU do something else than try to act smart in a forum to little kids. GET A LIFE


You sir, are a hypocrite.

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Posted by: XBigNP21X
LOL you should write a book. I think you should title it I USE BIG WORDS BECAUSE IM OLD WITH A JOB AND I PLAY HALO AND POST ON THE HALO FORUM AND TRY TO OUTSMART KIDS WHO WILL AMOUNT TO MORE THAN I DO BECAUSE IM MAD AT THE WORLD BECAUSE I DONT HAVE ANY FRIENDS AND I HAVE TO PLAY HALO TO FEEL ACCEPTED, EVEN IF IT IS WITH TWELVE YEAR OLDS. OR MAYBE I LIKE TWELVE YEAR OLDS.OMG


shut up you immature brat

and all you guys get off this dudes back, his just stating a problem his not being offensive

[Edited on 06.18.2007 9:23 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2007 9:22 PM PDT
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Hey guys the discourse has been great but let's stay on topic please.

The issue is quitting and it affecting other people.

To the guy making a post about his sweaty chest, that is friggin hilarious.

To the fellas vouching for older people playing - thank you for chiming in.

For the guy talking about my horrible gaming record - I don't really know what to tell you? I try and am extremely good after a lot of practice. I think I've said before I just came back recently from an 8 month hiatus.

While playing the FFA in the H2 Challenge, it's pretty obvious to me how bad my luck is, it's actually kind of funny.

When I get some recording software finally setup I plan on making a "bad luck" montage for kicks.

Though I don't owe you or anyone an explanation, maybe look at some of those games and you'll see that my ratios are usually fine and my assists are high - again, I just have horrible luck.

And btw did you actually use the "bad kid" in your post?

Isn't that bannable?

  • 06.18.2007 10:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Th3 Flipst3r
PS- although your right about 40 year olds... they kinda creep me out online when they talk to me. i don't say anything because they might find out where i live and come and molest me :(
This statement right here tells me you are not only paranoid, you're neurotic, egotistical, orientation is confusing and I am very curious what in our culture tells our children that every strange adult is some hunched demon waiting in the shadows to prey upon them?

Yeah there's some weirdos out there, but to dismiss everyone as evil only alienates yourself. The world is a lot smaller than you've been led to believe ; - ]

In any case - there's going to come a time when you're at an age where you can get popped in the mouth for expressing these thoughts about other people. It's lame and small-minded and you should work to expand your perspective rather than adhering to what TV is telling you.

Just a small nugget of wisdom there for ya.

  • 06.18.2007 10:40 PM PDT

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