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Posted by: KEVINBROCK
Now that I think that we can all pretty much agree that its a sport, back on topic.

Sports require physical activity you nerd.

  • 06.20.2007 9:40 AM PDT

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Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

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Posted by: KEVINBROCK
Now that I think that we can all pretty much agree that its a sport, back on topic.

Sports require physical activity you nerd.


–noun 1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature.

"skill", "physical prowess".....hmmmm if im a nerd at least I can read.

  • 06.20.2007 9:47 AM PDT
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I wouldn't call MLG participants, "athletes".

  • 06.20.2007 10:24 AM PDT

Lets put www.dictionary.com to rest because it is not a very credible source. As for the guy who ran track, are you telling me that these MLG players went through the pain that you had to go through? I think you and I can agree that in fact they do not. Do sports require athletes? I think they do. and if we want a definition of an athlete, Ill take it from a credible source Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina

And since Im sure you guys will try to dissect the meaning of agility and stamina, think first about what context it is being used. In this case, stamina does not mean sitting on a chair for 8 hours. Agility does not mean how fast your thumb moves.

  • 06.20.2007 10:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: Navillus13
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By defintion, competitive gaming is a sport.

Sport:an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

Well, gaming requires skill, you must be physically(and mentally) better than your opponents, and I'm pretty sure MLG makes it have "competitive nature". The fact that they aren't physically massive, or that they haven't trained their entire lives, has nothing to do with it. If fishing is a sport, video games can be too.

BTW, golfers are in great shape? LOL. Yeah, some are, but see the likes of John Daly, Phil Mickelson, or Craig Stadler.


I bet Phil Mickelson is in better conditioning and has more strength than you think. And is a fisherman considered an athlete? doubt it.

So by your definition, anything that requires 'skill' is a sport now? I could have a field day with that argument.


Where does it say that in the definition. if something is skill based, and has a COMPETITIVE aspect, like a tournament, then its a sport.

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Posted by: Sketto
I wouldn't call MLG participants, "athletes".


yeah, obviously, its a compltely different type of sport. Its not an "athletic" sport, like football or basketball. It doesn't need to be athletic, or have athletes to be a sport. It just has to have a competitive nature and be skill based. its along the lines of fishing. Fishing is actually a really good comparison. A relaxing HOBBY, that when taken to the competitve level, can be considered a sport.

  • 06.20.2007 10:32 AM PDT

Posted by: KEVINBROCK

Actually, I do know EXACTLY what im talking about. I ran track and CC and played baseball in High school. I used to wake up at 5 every morning and run 8 miles with my CC team and then go to track practice after school with Baseball in between. All the while, I was making A's and B's in school. Ive ran in the ice and rain until I couldnt stand anymore and it was so cold that I couldn't breathe. I know exactly what a sport is. so yes, MLG is a sport.



Come on dude, after what you have gone through, you can honestly sit there and tell me that the MLG guys have it as tough as you did?

To clear the air a bit, I DO have respect for these guys and what they are doing for the gaming community, please don't twist my words otherwise. But to call them athletes? Come on guys.. the line needs to be drawn somewhere. I don't even understand how you can consider it a sport after what you just said here.

  • 06.20.2007 10:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Navillus13
Posted by: KEVINBROCK

Actually, I do know EXACTLY what im talking about. I ran track and CC and played baseball in High school. I used to wake up at 5 every morning and run 8 miles with my CC team and then go to track practice after school with Baseball in between. All the while, I was making A's and B's in school. Ive ran in the ice and rain until I couldnt stand anymore and it was so cold that I couldn't breathe. I know exactly what a sport is. so yes, MLG is a sport.



Come on dude, after what you have gone through, you can honestly sit there and tell me that the MLG guys have it as tough as you did?

To clear the air a bit, I DO have respect for these guys and what they are doing for the gaming community, please don't twist my words otherwise. But to call them athletes? Come on guys.. the line needs to be drawn somewhere. I don't even understand how you can consider it a sport after what you just said here.


What does "having it as tough as you did" have anything to do with it. Golfers don't have it as tough as basektball players, so it must not be a sport. Obviously, gaming isn't physically exhausting as other sports, and obviously, they aren't athletes, but it doens't mean its not a sport.

A credible source, your Merriam-Webster, has a defintion for sport as Recreation. I'm pretty sure video games can fall under recreation. I've yet to see anywhere, even in your credible sources, that a sport must be played by physical athletes.

  • 06.20.2007 10:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sketto
I wouldn't call MLG participants, "athletes".

Nor would I. I also wouldn't use the term to describe golfers, bowlers, racing drivers, etc. Athlete implies a level of physical finesse. However, not all sports require that their participants be athletes.

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Posted by: Sketto
I wouldn't call MLG participants, "athletes".

Nor would I. I also wouldn't use the term to describe golfers, bowlers, racing drivers, etc. Athlete implies a level of physical finesse. However, not all sports require that their participants be athletes.

QFT

  • 06.20.2007 10:52 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

I would tend to agree that the MLG participants do not physically train for events such as lifting weights or running and whatever else, however, The do spend long, streneous hours preparing for the physical rigors of the competetion. Anyone who says that MLG isnt stressful and rigorous mentally hasnt been to an event. I will agree that they may not necessarially athletes in the physical aspect of the word, but the mental aspect of the game and what is required to compete at that level cannot be denied.

[Edited on 06.20.2007 11:05 AM PDT]

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Posted by: IIDWells55XII
Posted by: Sketto
I wouldn't call MLG participants, "athletes".

Nor would I. I also wouldn't use the term to describe golfers, bowlers, racing drivers, etc. Athlete implies a level of physical finesse. However, not all sports require that their participants be athletes.


You know, I think this sums it up nicely, and is probably what we're all trying to say.

And based on your own definition Navillus, does playing 9 consecutive hours at a tournament not count as stamina? Plus, your definition had the word game in it.

So by your definition, a game that requires stamina is what makes MLG what it is.

[Edited on 06.20.2007 12:06 PM PDT]

  • 06.20.2007 12:05 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Posted by: IIDWells55XII
Posted by: Sketto
I wouldn't call MLG participants, "athletes".

Nor would I. I also wouldn't use the term to describe golfers, bowlers, racing drivers, etc. Athlete implies a level of physical finesse. However, not all sports require that their participants be athletes.


You know, I think this sums it up nicely, and is probably what we're all trying to say.

And based on your own definition Navillus, does playing 9 consecutive hours at a tournament not count as stamina? Plus, your definition had the word game in it.

So by your definition, a game that requires stamina is what makes MLG what it is.


Yeh but I could play a game of solitaire for 10 hours straight.. does that mean i have stamina?

Personally, I consider sports being something that athletes participate in. Other people consider it to have a more broad definition. Guess its just a matter of opinion.

  • 06.20.2007 12:26 PM PDT

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theres lots of things that arent sports that you need to warm up for. golfing is not a sport (i play golf, and ill admit its not) but you have to warm up before you play golf. just because they want to warm up, and get ready doesnt mean they think its a sport.

according to websters a sports is : an athletic activity requiring skill and physical prowess and often of a competitive nature

that means that MLG or any video game is not a sport. it may require skill, but not in any form physical activity

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  • 06.20.2007 1:08 PM PDT

We all think were pro, the truth is 50% of us are really bad at this game, 40% are good,7% are amazing, 2% are "pro", and then theres me..................

  • 06.20.2007 1:13 PM PDT

"We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that."

I think it's pathetic that we as a society, deem it completely warranted to give someone a quarter million dollars for throwing a ball around a field or slapping a puck into a net. Yes, it's entertaining, but these people don't deserve to get paid out the ass while others with real jobs struggle to get by. I think it's even more sad that this has extended itself to video games; it's not even the developers that work tirelessly to produce an incredibly complicated and detailed form of entertainment that are getting paid a metric -blam!-ton of money... it's people who buy it and play it.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I don't care how good you are at Halo, nothing can justify giving you a quarter million dollars to play it. I'm very good at reading books, that's a rare skill amongst the younger generations. Quick, somebody give me a load of cash!

I can't hold this against actual pro gamers, because if somebody told me I could get a free ride in life by sitting on my ass and playing video games all the time, I'd be completely retarded not to jump at the chance. Everything in this world is ass-backwards and pretty much not what it should be; if you can beat the system and be financially secure by pandering to other people's stupidity, then you may as well go for it. You aren't helping the situation by doing this but really, there's not a whole lot you can do to fight it either.

What I absolutely hate are the hyper-serious MLG jackholes that come into matchmaking and do nothing but -blam!-. I mean, I don't mind losing (If you do mind losing, you shouldn't be playing Halo) but when I'm in Rumble Pit and some MLG -blam!-face runs in and BXR's his way to 50 kills in a matter of minutes, it's -blam!- irritating.

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its a sport end of discussion

and btw

if you are on a video game message board then you are a nerd so dont call people that

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Well when that much money is a prize, youll warm up too!
also i warm up be4 a big game so its good!

  • 06.20.2007 2:53 PM PDT

Posted by: TIGHCLOPS
I think it's pathetic that we as a society, deem it completely warranted to give someone a quarter million dollars for throwing a ball around a field or slapping a puck into a net. Yes, it's entertaining, but these people don't deserve to get paid out the ass while others with real jobs struggle to get by. I think it's even more sad that this has extended itself to video games; it's not even the developers that work tirelessly to produce an incredibly complicated and detailed form of entertainment that are getting paid a metric -blam!-ton of money... it's people who buy it and play it.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I don't care how good you are at Halo, nothing can justify giving you a quarter million dollars to play it. I'm very good at reading books, that's a rare skill amongst the younger generations. Quick, somebody give me a load of cash!

I can't hold this against actual pro gamers, because if somebody told me I could get a free ride in life by sitting on my ass and playing video games all the time, I'd be completely retarded not to jump at the chance. Everything in this world is ass-backwards and pretty much not what it should be; if you can beat the system and be financially secure by pandering to other people's stupidity, then you may as well go for it. You aren't helping the situation by doing this but really, there's not a whole lot you can do to fight it either.

What I absolutely hate are the hyper-serious MLG jackholes that come into matchmaking and do nothing but -blam!-. I mean, I don't mind losing (If you do mind losing, you shouldn't be playing Halo) but when I'm in Rumble Pit and some MLG -blam!-face runs in and BXR's his way to 50 kills in a matter of minutes, it's -blam!- irritating.


Entertainment business is profitable. People pay to be entertained. Is it ass-backwards? yes. But Im also shelling out $80 to go to an NFL game. You should be complaining more about CEOs who rake in $20 mil bonuses every year and dont give back to their employees. THOSE guys are the real problem.

  • 06.20.2007 2:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: KEVINBROCK
I would tend to agree that the MLG participants do not physically train for events such as lifting weights or running and whatever else, however, The do spend long, streneous hours preparing for the physical rigors of the competetion. Anyone who says that MLG isnt stressful and rigorous mentally hasnt been to an event. I will agree that they may not necessarially athletes in the physical aspect of the word, but the mental aspect of the game and what is required to compete at that level cannot be denied.


I don't think your definition of sport matches your thoughts on MLG. I believe you said that a sport is an "athletic activity", which is why I remarked that MLG players shouldn't be athletes.

There is a physical aspect and a mental aspect to an athletes, but to me they have to both be present in order to consider someone an athlete.

You did not seem to reach a conclusion so allow me to ask you a question: Are professional MLG players athletes?

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Posted by: Sketto
You did not seem to reach a conclusion so allow me to ask you a question: Are professional MLG players athletes?
Well I would consider anyone who plays a sport, an athlete. But that just brings us back to our original question.

  • 06.20.2007 3:29 PM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

LOL @ MoBert WILLIS

  • 06.20.2007 3:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: TIGHCLOPS
I think it's pathetic that we as a society, deem it completely warranted to give someone a quarter million dollars for throwing a ball around a field or slapping a puck into a net. Yes, it's entertaining, but these people don't deserve to get paid out the ass while others with real jobs struggle to get by. I think it's even more sad that this has extended itself to video games; it's not even the developers that work tirelessly to produce an incredibly complicated and detailed form of entertainment that are getting paid a metric -blam!-ton of money... it's people who buy it and play it.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I don't care how good you are at Halo, nothing can justify giving you a quarter million dollars to play it. I'm very good at reading books, that's a rare skill amongst the younger generations. Quick, somebody give me a load of cash!

I can't hold this against actual pro gamers, because if somebody told me I could get a free ride in life by sitting on my ass and playing video games all the time, I'd be completely retarded not to jump at the chance. Everything in this world is ass-backwards and pretty much not what it should be; if you can beat the system and be financially secure by pandering to other people's stupidity, then you may as well go for it. You aren't helping the situation by doing this but really, there's not a whole lot you can do to fight it either.

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Where Should the money go then? for starters most pro atheletes make more than a quarter million dollars a year. That has nothing to do with my argument though. Lets use Baseball for example. If a franchise makes so much money, why should they not pay the players as much as they do. what should they do with the money? Noone gets mad a Bill Gates for making a ton of money, why? because its not a game, but at the same time baseball players do it as a career, and job. If a baseball organization makes a ton of money, then what should they do with the money? give it to charity, well most players give a lot to charity as it is, so i think that the amount baseball players gets paid is just right, because the money is from what they do to get fans in the crowd.

as far as Pro halo players, they pay an entrance fee, or a sponser does, and people want to watch, so whether its a sport or not, they bring in money, so they should win a large amount of money.

  • 06.20.2007 3:41 PM PDT

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Who seriously made mlg a national sport? like thats just stupid because its a game, oh BTW I find mlg a unfair game when there's grenades and BXR's going on...

  • 06.20.2007 3:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: hedrought
Who seriously made mlg a national sport? like thats just stupid because its a game, oh BTW I find mlg a unfair game when there's grenades and BXR's going on...


WTF?? so i see where u can say BxR makes it unfair, but grenades? are you joking? why is anything fair then, shooting? melees? grenades are ahuge part of the game, how is that unfair???

  • 06.20.2007 4:06 PM PDT