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-blam!- can you guys just settle down and stop making such a BIG deal over VIDEO GAMES
if someone wants to DEDICATE theyre lives to video games LET THEM thats thier choice let me give you some reasons
1:They get payed alot
2:They get to travel across the world
3:If you say they arent in shape your WRONG

It doesnt matter, i dont get you idiots you make such big deals saying "HEY THEY ARE NERDS THEY NEED LIFES"
when your sitting behind you god damn keyboard taking time out of your PRECIOUS so called physical activity that you talk SO much about
but dont go and do it!
ALSO video games is a very fun leisure time activity
think about what you type.......

  • 06.21.2007 3:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Yeah Bobby, but the actor and the doctor add to society...MLG doesn't.

I can understand how the doctor contributes to society, but aside from entertainment purposes, how does an actor contribute to society?

  • 06.21.2007 5:12 AM PDT

I'm better than you..Its just hard for me to prove it.

Actors don;t contribute to society. If you get a paycheck for competing in the tournys, then its work. Playing Halo is their job.

  • 06.21.2007 7:19 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Why is it so hard to give respect to someone who works hard for their money? Again, StrongSide getting his $250,000 contract will be my example. He worked hard day after day to get to where he is. Why is it so much different than an actor who memorizes thousands of lines so he gets chosen for a movie role? Or a doctor spending all his time learning medical procedures for his patients?



If you were sincerely comparing a doctor's hard work to a video gamers hard work, I cant even post on this thread ever again. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

  • 06.21.2007 7:43 AM PDT

Posted by: bligiduh
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Yeah Bobby, but the actor and the doctor add to society...MLG doesn't.

I can understand how the doctor contributes to society, but aside from entertainment purposes, how does an actor contribute to society?


Charity.

  • 06.21.2007 7:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: bligiduh
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Yeah Bobby, but the actor and the doctor add to society...MLG doesn't.

I can understand how the doctor contributes to society, but aside from entertainment purposes, how does an actor contribute to society?


You do realize that if not for actors, some of the greatest literature might never have been written. The entire works of Shakespeare, Chaucer, Dante, etc. Maybe that's too old of an example, but theater keep those things from becoming extinct. And don't think I'm confusing Hollywood actors with others because they are certainly not the same in my eyes.

Actors, like the other fine arts, add a lot to society that other aspects don't. Or at least that is what my theater here in Dayton keeps telling me when I write those donation checks to them.

~B.B.

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Posted by: bligiduh
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Yeah Bobby, but the actor and the doctor add to society...MLG doesn't.

I can understand how the doctor contributes to society, but aside from entertainment purposes, how does an actor contribute to society?


Charity.


That has more to do with having the means, not how they got it (job).

Navillus, like you said earlier - considering something a sport has sort of become a matter of someone's own personal opinion. Like I said earlier, I don't consider it a sport, nor driving, golfing, shuffleboard, darts, poker, chess, bowling. Do you?

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Yeah Bobby, but the actor and the doctor add to society...MLG doesn't.

I can understand how the doctor contributes to society, but aside from entertainment purposes, how does an actor contribute to society?


You do realize that if not for actors, some of the greatest literature might never have been written. The entire works of Shakespeare, Chaucer, Dante, etc. Maybe that's too old of an example, but theater keep those things from becoming extinct. And don't think I'm confusing Hollywood actors with others because they are certainly not the same in my eyes.

Actors, like the other fine arts, add a lot to society that other aspects don't. Or at least that is what my theater here in Dayton keeps telling me when I write those donation checks to them.

~B.B.


Oh, let's not start talking about art. Anything can be considered art to anyone. You guys hear about the "artist" that is going to have a bunch of asian people walking around doing nothing in some city in Europe. And that's his art piece - people walking around doing mundane things. I wonder if anyone considers that work and if he's getting paid for it.

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Posted by: Navillus13
Posted by: bligiduh
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Yeah Bobby, but the actor and the doctor add to society...MLG doesn't.

I can understand how the doctor contributes to society, but aside from entertainment purposes, how does an actor contribute to society?


Charity.


At MLG Vegas Championships last season, Gandi took part in a $2000.00 dollar match where his winnings went to Hurricane Katrina victims.

I'm working on finding the link. There's a video of it, but I'd rather post something in text form.

[Edited on 06.21.2007 8:35 AM PDT]

  • 06.21.2007 8:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Th3 Flipst3r
. pressing the R trigger and moving a joystick around does not involve any skill whatsoever.


Really?

Why can some people do it better then?

  • 06.21.2007 8:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: Th3 Flipst3r
what does pressing a button better than someone have to do with anything?


You mentioned "skill." If someone can press buttons better than someone else, then that's a skill.

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warms up games are ok just becasue you just need to get a good feel the controller and stuff before you actually play but the whole getting rest and eating and junk is just stupid.

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Posted by: Th3 Flipst3r
well thats pretty pathetic then if some people consider that a skill... im sorry but its true.


How is it pathetic? If someone can juggle better than I can, that's a skill (because I really suck at juggling LOL.)

Not everyone is good at this game. Pure skill comes from practicing and getting better so you can aim and shoot and strafe. That's why it's a skill.

  • 06.21.2007 8:56 AM PDT

Posted by: cnp44

That has more to do with having the means, not how they got it (job).

Navillus, like you said earlier - considering something a sport has sort of become a matter of someone's own personal opinion. Like I said earlier, I don't consider it a sport, nor driving, golfing, shuffleboard, darts, poker, chess, bowling. Do you?


Out of all of those... Id consider Golf a sport.. the others are just games that require skill. Golf does require strength, conditioning (im talking about non-caddy, pro level.. not being able to drive a cart around for 36 holes..you have to WALK and carry your own -blam!-). I take that back a bit, being a GREAT golfer requires those things. Just look at Tiger woods, the guy is ripped (he honestly is).

2 categories to me:
Sports = Athleticism + skill
Games = skill

  • 06.21.2007 9:01 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: Th3 Flipst3r
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I think it's pathetic that we as a society, deem it completely warranted to give someone a quarter million dollars for throwing a ball around a field or slapping a puck into a net. Yes, it's entertaining, but these people don't deserve to get paid out the ass while others with real jobs struggle to get by. I think it's even more sad that this has extended itself to video games; it's not even the developers that work tirelessly to produce an incredibly complicated and detailed form of entertainment that are getting paid a metric -blam!-ton of money... it's people who buy it and play it.


It's called talent. T-A-L-E-N-T.

If you have above average speed and strength and endurance, would you not attempt to play football or track or some other professional sport? Please. You're making it sound like people get paid just to throw around footballs and entertain us. Sure, that IS what they're doing, but at what cost?

Lemme break it down for you. Playing football professionally is what these peoples' LIVES are about. They spend their youth keeping in shape, and getting recognition. Then they enter the draft, and work EVERY DAY to stay in shape. On top that, memorize hundreds of plays and calls, and survive training camp. You mention "Real jobs." Well I consider working out to the point of exhaustion in 90 degree heat every day for all of summer a REAL JOB. Then going out and performing in the fall to make the playoffs. THAT is why they get paid so much money.

Do you know what this? It's called AMBITION. It's called DETERMINATION. If someone is going to dedicate so much time and energy and effort into being that good for something they love, then by damn I consider that a REAL JOB.

The same goes for MLG Pros. They love this game so much that they're willing to travel the country and dedicate time to practice. All for the sake of being prepared to face the best. THAT is why StrongSide is getting paid $250,000 to play Halo 2. He's not just sitting on his ass playing games. He's doing WORK.

Why is this so hard to understand?


uhh because video games are not work. as much as you want to call it work, it isnt.

just say some hot girl asks you, "hey, you wanna go to the movies tomorrow?" and an MLG nerd says "im sorry, i cant. I got work" she says, "oh really? what do you do?" "video games" *SLAP* (actually i doubt any hot girl would want to hang out with an MLG nerd)

but my point is, you cant tell someone you have to "work" when all your doin is playing video games... it isnt right, its just not right...


Let me address two points you make in there.


First off about hot girls hanging out with MLG "nerds"....have you been to events? there are some incredibly hot chicks there.

Secondly, if a girl slaps me for saying that I make 250,000 bucks for playing a video game then she can tote ass.....money is better than poon anyday.

  • 06.21.2007 9:08 AM PDT

Don't get cocky now!

Getting paid to play video games might seem dumb or might not qualify as a job, but think about sports.

Some A-hole is getting paid multi-millions of dollars because he can shoot a ball into a hoop... or some Joe can take a ball and run so many yards before getting tackled.

You might say that playing a "real sport" takes a lot more effort than playing video games to earn money, but then again, is it a "real sport" just because it's what has become the social norm of our generations?

Give it a few decades along with the integration of new technology, and pretty soon Video Games will be a very popular sport, in which there will be a lot of people makign a lot more money than it does right now.

Ever see the movie "The Island"? Remember how the clones are playing the virtual fighting game against each other? That is a small example of how technology integrated into video games will make playing videogames competitively a great sport, in which people can make money and hence consider it a job.

  • 06.21.2007 9:12 AM PDT

Posted by: FKxPandemic
Golfers don't have it as tough as basektball players, so it must not be a sport..


Basketball is played for a little less than 1 hour of play. Most players play for half that. Golfers play for 4-6 hours a day. They walk around 4 miles a day when in a tournament, wearing slacks and a dress shirt to sweat in. They dont get "time outs" or "half time". Tiger Woods mental capacity is stunning. To be able to make the decisions he makes during tournament is one of the most challenging things he can do. Golf requires a serious amount of smarts. Being a golfer of the caliber tiger woods is takes an extreme amount of skill. Being off 1/4 of an inch with your swing, hitting the ball 1/4 inch off can ruin a whole tournament and ruin thousands of dollars at stake.

Tiger is also payed more than most basketball players.

  • 06.21.2007 9:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: cnp44

Oh, let's not start talking about art. Anything can be considered art to anyone. You guys hear about the "artist" that is going to have a bunch of asian people walking around doing nothing in some city in Europe. And that's his art piece - people walking around doing mundane things. I wonder if anyone considers that work and if he's getting paid for it.


Again, you are looking at the exceptions. On the grand scheme of things, MLG does NOT offer anything productive to society, and I could make more than a well-founded argument that it provides completely detrimental aspects to society.

And for the record, because I somehow see this coming up, just because someone who is in MLG makes charitable contributions does not mean their "job" is now for the betterment of society. Their donations are, not how they obtain them. They are dichotomous.

~B.B.

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Posted by: Navillus13
Posted by: cnp44

That has more to do with having the means, not how they got it (job).

Navillus, like you said earlier - considering something a sport has sort of become a matter of someone's own personal opinion. Like I said earlier, I don't consider it a sport, nor driving, golfing, shuffleboard, darts, poker, chess, bowling. Do you?


Out of all of those... Id consider Golf a sport.. the others are just games that require skill. Golf does require strength, conditioning (im talking about non-caddy, pro level.. not being able to drive a cart around for 36 holes..you have to WALK and carry your own -blam!-). I take that back a bit, being a GREAT golfer requires those things. Just look at Tiger woods, the guy is ripped (he honestly is).

2 categories to me:
Sports = Athleticism + skill
Games = skill


Ok, and your opinion is fine by me. And we all know other people consider one or more of the other ones as sports.

P.S. IMO, being a "great" golfer does not require being very strong or conditioned (of course, those are subjective qualifications). Using your categories, golf is just a skill game that requires great precision to me. I mean, really...long distance walking and hitting a tiny little ball?

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage

On the grand scheme of things, MLG does NOT offer anything productive to society, and I could make more than a well-founded argument that it provides completely detrimental aspects to society.



Is the commerce it produces not productive to society? It's doing the exact same thing that all major sports do, just on a lower scale. I'd like to know how you think MLG is detrimental to society.

  • 06.21.2007 9:24 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: cnp44

Oh, let's not start talking about art. Anything can be considered art to anyone. You guys hear about the "artist" that is going to have a bunch of asian people walking around doing nothing in some city in Europe. And that's his art piece - people walking around doing mundane things. I wonder if anyone considers that work and if he's getting paid for it.


Again, you are looking at the exceptions. On the grand scheme of things, MLG does NOT offer anything productive to society, and I could make more than a well-founded argument that it provides completely detrimental aspects to society.

And for the record, because I somehow see this coming up, just because someone who is in MLG makes charitable contributions does not mean their "job" is now for the betterment of society. Their donations are, not how they obtain them. They are dichotomous.

~B.B.


Lets talk about the economics of the events themselves. MLG employs hundreds of people in different capacities around the USA so Id say that it benefits us by supplying poeple with jobs. In each city that the MLG tour comes to the bring in thousands of people who in turn, rent out hotels, eat at restraunts and spend money elsewhere in the cities. MLg benefits by receiving the money from its participants and in turn they make a profit for all this to happen.

Now lets talk about how MLG teaches kids a few little lessons like......competition, ambition, responsibility, leadership and dedication. How can these things not help society?

Even if MLG did not benefit society, how does professional baseball, football and basketball differ?

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Posted by: FKxPandemic
Golfers don't have it as tough as basektball players, so it must not be a sport..


Basketball is played for a little less than 1 hour of play. Most players play for half that. Golfers play for 4-6 hours a day. They walk around 4 miles a day when in a tournament, wearing slacks and a dress shirt to sweat in. They dont get "time outs" or "half time". Tiger Woods mental capacity is stunning. To be able to make the decisions he makes during tournament is one of the most challenging things he can do. Golf requires a serious amount of smarts. Being a golfer of the caliber tiger woods is takes an extreme amount of skill. Being off 1/4 of an inch with your swing, hitting the ball 1/4 inch off can ruin a whole tournament and ruin thousands of dollars at stake.

Tiger is also payed more than most basketball players.


You missed my sarcasm.

A game of basketball is more exhausting than a round of golf. Its even more exhausting than a full tournament. I've played 18 holes 4 days in a row before. yes its exhausting, but not nearly as much as basketball. I know about golf, golf is actually quite possibly my favorite sport, I try to play 3/4 times a week.

  • 06.21.2007 10:13 AM PDT