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Subject: Why H2V isnt as a bad as a port...

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Posted by: Iggwilv

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Everyone seems to think that Hired Gun really dropped the ball on this port and that HPC was an awsome game.

Lets compare:

1. Halo PC was terribly optimized at the time as well. Sure now almost every modern card can run hpc but back in the day when it was released a high-end card was a radeon 9700 pro. A good midrange card was a geforce 4 ti4200 and the old "good" cards were the geforce 3 series. How well did Halo PC run on them? Horribly just as H2V runs on old cards. Hell when Halo PC was released the highend cards of the time werent able to run it as well as the high end cards can run H2V now.

2.Gameplay. Just as Gearbox ported Halo PC with all of the original glitches intact so has Hired Gun, Blame Bungie's original game for glitches such as BXR and then Bungie's decision not to remove them in both their ports.

3. Game problems: Don't pretend that Halo PC didn't have its fair share of problems when it came out. ATI's drivers sucked when H1 came out just like Nvidia's do now. Anyone remember when ATI broke the sniper scope and the thing just turned black when you looked through it? I would take slow FPS(Nvidia) over no sniper scope(ATI).

4. In game: Should I even bring up teamkillers when H1 was released? That was far more detrimental to anything anyone is doing now in H2V and that didnt get fixed until a few patches down the line, and some may argue that it never did.

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The thing that turned me off of Halo 2 Vista was the locked Editing Kit. If Bungie had unlocked more of the Editing Kit, I would have bought it as well as Vista. I understand that if you could make new guns, people would make noobish maps with high explosives just to rise up the ranking system. However, this could be fixed with something similar to Halo CE for Halo 1, which I have yet to see.

In short, I want to be able to modify more stuff before I go and buy H2V.

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Posted by: staticx576
1. Halo PC was terribly optimized at the time as well. Sure now almost every modern card can run hpc but back in the day when it was released a high-end card was a radeon 9700 pro. A good midrange card was a geforce 4 ti4200 and the old "good" cards were the geforce 3 series. How well did Halo PC run on them? Horribly just as H2V runs on old cards. Hell when Halo PC was released the highend cards of the time werent able to run it as well as the high end cards can run H2V now.

The requirements at least matched games that were coming out at the time, not to mention that the graphics weren't half bad as well. You know as well as I do that the requirements for H2V go beyond the call of duty of some of even the most graphical-demanding games of today, yet the game is nearly two years old and it requires you to have Vista. At least Halo PC's bit was a slightly higher asking in performance; with H2V it's just ridiculous.

2.Gameplay. Just as Gearbox ported Halo PC with all of the original glitches intact so has Hired Gun, Blame Bungie's original game for glitches such as BXR and then Bungie's decision not to remove them in both their ports.
There weren't as many glitches in Halo 1 as there were in Halo 2, nor were they as gameplay-breaking horrendous. Not to mention Halo 1 PC did NOT support controllers and did NOT offer them an option where auto aim kicked in when they were using a controller. The user interface was also at least touched up for PC.

You're also forgetting how Halo PC was everything Halo Xbox wasn't; online play. There were also a lot more then just two maps that came with Halo PC, as well as new weapons and vehicles.

3. Game problems: Don't pretend that Halo PC didn't have its fair share of problems when it came out. ATI's drivers sucked when H1 came out just like Nvidia's do now. Anyone remember when ATI broke the sniper scope and the thing just turned black when you looked through it? I would take slow FPS(Nvidia) over no sniper scope(ATI).
This is just an example of not learning from mistakes in the past. What's even worse is that the updates that we were getting from Hired Gun/Bungie was that they were already done with the game and were just waiting for Vista to come out. The problems could've been avoided.

4. In game: Should I even bring up teamkillers when H1 was released? That was far more detrimental to anything anyone is doing now in H2V and that didnt get fixed until a few patches down the line, and some may argue that it never did.
Don't give me this. You know as well as I do that the comparison in which community contains more eight-year-old children who need Ritalin that Halo 2 comes out on top much more substantially then Halo 1 does.

Stop defending the worst port to grace the gaming world. Be a fan of the game or the series, but at least be logical. We are being sold s***; sorry, but I don't buy feces.

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wait, can halo 2 support wide screen? I was just about to ask about whether or not I should shell out the extra cash for a new computer I'm building when I realised that Halo might not have wide screen accesablility... >.<

  • 06.18.2007 4:26 PM PDT

What it is.

Agamemnon, you must not have played Halo 2 on the Xbox that much. Halo 2 Vista is a great game from transitioning from the Xbox version. After playing constant matches with cheaters, bad connections, and unwanted gametypes, Halo 2 Vista gives you the freedom to join whatever the hell game you want. Right now, with it only being a month in it's release, everything isn't smooth which is making the game pretty dull. Sure there are better games out there, but my main reason, I'm not sure about others, was dedicated servers. From what it sounds, the main reason people are bashing this game is due to the Live service. It's understandable when you have games like Half-Life 2 that offer all the features of Live and more. Then again, you can't expect anything great from a port. I didn't praise Halo PC for it's graphics but rather it's online play. I don't see why people are trying to bash Halo 2's graphics when they weren't meant to be next gen, although they have definitely improved from the Xbox version(trust me, from playing H2X since 2004 I damn well know). My input would be, if you're a fan of the series and want a game to hold you over til Halo 3, this is a good exception. Seeing as there aren't that many great games coming out this summer, this shouldn't be bad. Oh one more thing, with the map editor, it opens a great amount of replay value, seeing as you can play in user created maps other than the ones built in the game.

  • 06.18.2007 5:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
The requirements at least matched games that were coming out at the time, not to mention that the graphics weren't half bad as well. You know as well as I do that the requirements for H2V go beyond the call of duty of some of even the most graphical-demanding games of today, yet the game is nearly two years old and it requires you to have Vista. At least Halo PC's bit was a slightly higher asking in performance; with H2V it's just ridiculous.


Perhaps you don't quite remember what games were coming out around the same time? Far Cry and doom 3 ring a bell? Both of these games came out a bit after and looked a whole lot better and ran a whole lot better. Just like H2V's situation. Nothing has changed don't kid yourself and say that H2V looks bad. Try running halo pc on a geforce 2 mx and it would be like running H2V on a 6200. Same card range same timeframe for each game.

Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
There weren't as many glitches in Halo 1 as there were in Halo 2, nor were they as gameplay-breaking horrendous. Not to mention Halo 1 PC did NOT support controllers and did NOT offer them an option where auto aim kicked in when they were using a controller. The user interface was also at least touched up for PC.

You're also forgetting how Halo PC was everything Halo Xbox wasn't; online play. There were also a lot more then just two maps that came with Halo PC, as well as new weapons and vehicles.

Controllers were an intentional additive and not a problem. It was made to have auto-aim, thats different than a shoddy port. But then again the xbox version had the same problem. Take this up with Bungie on the halo 2 game franchise as a whole.

Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
This is just an example of not learning from mistakes in the past. What's even worse is that the updates that we were getting from Hired Gun/Bungie was that they were already done with the game and were just waiting for Vista to come out. The problems could've been avoided.

Realistically name a game that had no problems and needed no patches after the game released. But in this case it's not a problem with the game but with drivers(yet again).

Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Don't give me this. You know as well as I do that the comparison in which community contains more eight-year-old children who need Ritalin that Halo 2 comes out on top much more substantially then Halo 1 does.

Stop defending the worst port to grace the gaming world. Be a fan of the game or the series, but at least be logical. We are being sold s***; sorry, but I don't buy feces.

Because the community of H2V and H2 are the same? I don't hear 8 year olds on ritalin at all and the ones that do are no where near as problimatic as the TKers in the first game. I can mute the 8 year olds, I can't kick the TKers out of the game.
Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/review/R114461.html


Again, everything he quotes as problems are infact problems with Halo 2's core gameplay with problems on the xbox version as well.

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Posted by: kyur4thich11
Agamemnon, you must not have played Halo 2 on the Xbox that much.

I have unfortunately played it extensively.

Halo 2 Vista is a great game from transitioning from the Xbox version. After playing constant matches with cheaters, bad connections, and unwanted gametypes, Halo 2 Vista gives you the freedom to join whatever the hell game you want.
That's worth $50 for you?

Right now, with it only being a month in it's release, everything isn't smooth which is making the game pretty dull.
The problem is, EVERYTHING is wrong with the game. And what's even worse is that the production team said they were waiting for nearly six months for Vista to come out to release the game. What's the excuse with that bull?

Sure there are better games out there, but my main reason, I'm not sure about others, was dedicated servers.
Again, that's worth $50?

From what it sounds, the main reason people are bashing this game is due to the Live service. It's understandable when you have games like Half-Life 2 that offer all the features of Live and more. Then again, you can't expect anything great from a port.
Uh, yeah, you can. I'd at least expect something that was apparent that makes this game worth $50.

I didn't praise Halo PC for it's graphics but rather it's online play. I don't see why people are trying to bash Halo 2's graphics when they weren't meant to be next gen, although they have definitely improved from the Xbox version(trust me, from playing H2X since 2004 I damn well know).
I was playing H2X from Nov 2004 as well, and I can still see barely any difference from the PC version and the Xbox version except resolution and pixelation.

Oh one more thing, with the map editor, it opens a great amount of replay value, seeing as you can play in user created maps other than the ones built in the game.
How much do you know about H2EK? Did you know that nearly 95% of the features had to be unlocked by users? Also, don't act like making a map is a simple process and that you're given modeling tools as well.

Posted by: Static
Perhaps you don't quite remember what games were coming out around the same time? Far Cry and doom 3 ring a bell? Both of these games came out a bit after and looked a whole lot better and ran a whole lot better. Just like H2V's situation. Nothing has changed don't kid yourself and say that H2V looks bad. Try running halo pc on a geforce 2 mx and it would be like running H2V on a 6200. Same card range same timeframe for each game.

Nice try. I had a Radeon 9200 PCI when I first got Halo and I could run it on high with a constant 30 FPS. I couldn't even run Doom 3 on the lowest settings and when I did the highest FPS rate I got was 15 FPS.

Controllers were an intentional additive and not a problem. It was made to have auto-aim, thats different than a shoddy port. But then again the xbox version had the same problem. Take this up with Bungie on the halo 2 game franchise as a whole.
Well, guess what; this is now on the PC. Maybe you'd like to point out to me on the other FPS PC games where the auto aim is on in multi player.

Again, let me reiterate myself; this is now on the PC. The controller is exactly that; a controller. You don't plug in an Xbox controller to play Starcraft, do you? When you're going to do something for PC gamers, at least try to cater to THEM and not the freaking console gamers, which already have the game and have had it for nearly two years.

And we are taking it up with the developers.

Realistically name a game that had no problems and needed no patches after the game released. But in this case it's not a problem with the game but with drivers(yet again).
None, of course, but there are only very few in which I can name when the games first came out that they were complete atrocities and had game editors and then expected the community to fix all of the problems. H2V is on that list, a list that shouldn't even exist.

Because the community of H2V and H2 are the same? I don't hear 8 year olds on ritalin at all and the ones that do are no where near as problimatic as the TKers in the first game. I can mute the 8 year olds, I can't kick the TKers out of the game.
They actually are in most parts. A lot of the people who bought H2V were Xbox kids who already have Gold accounts and bought it to get the Live achievements. Also, stop over-generalizing. I would rarely find the type of people you are describing on Halo PC. I find A LOT more of them on H2X and they're all deciding to come over on H2V.

Again, everything he quotes as problems are infact problems with Halo 2's core gameplay with problems on the xbox version as well.
Windows Live is not Halo 2 Xbox. Them not fixing a damn thing is also a catering problem to the game. Also, he is me.

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  • 06.18.2007 6:42 PM PDT

What it is.

I have a well paying job. I make more than $50 a day, so yes, it was worth the $50. Oh, and as I agree that there are many kids that play Halo 2, the avg gamer is actually about 33 years old. From what it seems, the older ones in the family buy the games and play them and then their children/brothers/sisters end up playing them as well. I haven't noticed any 'kids' in Halo 2 Vista, but i have noticed some immature idiots around the age 15. The way I see it, is that they just basically ported the game over with upped gfx, the ability to host and join dedicated servers, and KB/M support. I'd say they did a ok job porting it because that's exactly what it is, a port. They even fixed most annoyances such as superjumps(i haven't been able do to any of them), getting out of certain maps, and cheating(well, mainly because of dedicated servers). Of course the bad things are that they left the button glitches in, there's a lack of sound and video options, and I guess the Live service(it's fine for me because I've had Live since 2004). Eh, w/e, if you're gonna hate on the game then you don't have to come here and talk about it. Play something that you do like.

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Superjumps and getting out of even the new maps have already been performed and are well documented on video. I suggest searching youtube for them.

I also have the right, as a fan of the series, to voice my opinion, especially my extreme dislike for this port. If you don't enjoy hearing people's opinions, then I suggest ignoring them.

  • 06.18.2007 7:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: staticx576
Everyone seems to think that Hired Gun really dropped the ball on this port and that HPC was an awsome game.

Lets compare:

1. Halo PC was terribly optimized at the time as well. Sure now almost every modern card can run hpc but back in the day when it was released a high-end card was a radeon 9700 pro. A good midrange card was a geforce 4 ti4200 and the old "good" cards were the geforce 3 series. How well did Halo PC run on them? Horribly just as H2V runs on old cards. Hell when Halo PC was released the highend cards of the time werent able to run it as well as the high end cards can run H2V now.

2.Gameplay. Just as Gearbox ported Halo PC with all of the original glitches intact so has Hired Gun, Blame Bungie's original game for glitches such as BXR and then Bungie's decision not to remove them in both their ports.

3. Game problems: Don't pretend that Halo PC didn't have its fair share of problems when it came out. ATI's drivers sucked when H1 came out just like Nvidia's do now. Anyone remember when ATI broke the sniper scope and the thing just turned black when you looked through it? I would take slow FPS(Nvidia) over no sniper scope(ATI).

4. In game: Should I even bring up teamkillers when H1 was released? That was far more detrimental to anything anyone is doing now in H2V and that didnt get fixed until a few patches down the line, and some may argue that it never did.


1. Terribly optimized? I fail to see how minimum requirements being dropped down so PCs with hardware producing less equivilent yields than an xbox means it's terribly optimized. You fail to realize that at the time, Halo PC was next-generation. Pixel Shader 2.0, resolutions damned well higher than 480i, and running through an operating system brought the requirements slightly higher than a console at the time. If the game wasn't optimized, anything less than a PS 2.0 card wouldn't have even been able to run the game.

2. You fail at proving your point by not listing a single halo 1 glitch. And the issue with H2V glitches is they are declared exploits by bungie, yet they are not fixed.

3. Yes, because we all know that poor drivers are the direct fault of game developers. All driver related issues were fixed within a short period of time, or failing that drivers could be rolled back to a build without problems. It's not a game problem at all. If it were a game problem, it'd still be in exsistence today as the game hasn't been updated except for console in PC and the multiple vulnerability holes in PC/CE.

4. If there were team killers in Halo 1, you should have kicked them. You cant kick people in H2V since there is no console.

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I agree with the OP. I had a GeForce 4 TI 4200 when HPC came out. While being a decent card, I had to run HPC on low settings to get decent FPS. This was something that annoyed me to no end. It wasn't until I got my 9600 XT that I could bump up the graphics on HPC. My laptop runs H2V better now (7900 Go GS)on medium/medium-high settings than my desktop ran HPC on low settings. The optimization is better, it just can't be argued.

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4. If there were team killers in Halo 1, you should have kicked them. You cant kick people in H2V since there is no console.
At least now when people betray you, you have an option to boot them from the game. Also, there wasn't any way to boot TKers on public servers. People playing on the Bungie or Halo servers had no way of booting TKers.

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[quote]Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Stop defending the worst port to grace the gaming world. Be a fan of the game or the series, but at least be logical. We are being sold s***; sorry, but I don't buy feces.

That's a huge problem with the H2v community. If they end up winning online matches left and right, and/or if it has "0mg b3ttr gfx yo", and/or if it has the number 2 or 3 after the title, the fanboys defend the shi*ty port 'till the very end.

TBH, yes, I do hate H2, but I don't hate everything about it. The campaign for H2 was awesome, and multiplayer...I guess was playable IF organized well enough.
But H2v? This isn't even considered a PC game. It has FULL controller support? WTH? Requires ridiculously high end hardware for an old game? Even H1PC wasn't that much of a system hog. H2v STILL has noob glitches? I'm not saying H1PC had none, it had its fair share, but compare all H1's glitches to H2's glitches. H2 is more user-friendly, easier to pull off, and risk free. Why do you think H2x's community is chock full of kiddies who care more about getting that 1st place by glitching and cheating than family dinner?

Seriously, you're basically defending a PC game-wannabe that is far from "good". Hell, it doesn't even take much skill to get 1st - 3rd place. I, along with a few others I assume, had much more fun playing H2x. And trust me, H2x sucks gamewise. H2v is even worse in every possible way H2x was.

Just because the game works FLAWLESSLY for YOU does not make the game any good, nor is it hundreds of others fault if their copies works like crap, and you tell them "well duud3, min3 works perfctlii, u jus hav sucky c0mp...lol!"... You probably have NO idea about the situation when people are complaining that H2v is running badly, even on good PC's. Sure, the whinings get annoying, but is it their fault? Face it, it's the GAME, not because hundreds of people don't have the right hardware. You shouldn't have to have ub3r-0mg-133t parts to play such an old game. It's the game's, and the port-ers' fault.

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Is this still the Maw? I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere...

I am truly sorry for all of you that have nothing better to do but to endlessly criticize a less-than-perfect port of a 2.5 year old game, that you will play and enjoy in the end anyways.

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Posted by: MrNick01
Is this still the Maw? I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere...

I am truly sorry for all of you that have nothing better to do but to endlessly criticize a less-than-perfect port of a 2.5 year old game, that you will play and enjoy in the end anyways.


QFT.

I could sit here and point out all its flaws, and all the flaws from the original HPC port, but, in the end, I'm just playing and having fun. I still suck at multiplayer, I still have a horrible K/D ratio, but I still have fun. Just wish there was some more server diversity and more players but, meh, Bungie really can't control either of those aspects.

Besides, if you go buy H2V now at Circuit City, you can get Shadowrun free................................................ =P

That was supposed to be humorous. Oh well, I failed at humor.

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Here's how simple I find it. If you like the game woopdy -blam!- doo for you. If you don't, woopdy -blam!- doo.

I don't want to play or argue with people who can't realize this is a port for a game what is over 2 years old. And the game isn't badly optimized, vista however is. My card is a 7600GT, it's an "ok" card. However, I can run the game at 1280 x 1024, 4xAA at High with nearly no problems. Why? Because I have a huge amount of RAM so I can run vista AND a game at once. It's going to be the same with ever Vista game from here forth. If you don't have at LEAST 2gb of RAM, you won't be able to run it. Bash Microsoft, not Hired gun. Either that of if you think not getting 150fps means a game is badly optimized, then there's a problem.

People are bashing live, well guess what! Would you rather have an ok version of live, or no live at all! Live isn't that bad, except for the fact you need to pay to make servers and join specific ones. I can agree to arguing with that. But Live is NOT pay to play and it is NOT worthless.

You say the editing kit sucks as well. Well originally, there was no Halo CE for MONTHS! But you got it didn't you? Why? Thanks to hackers. How are we going to get the HEK2 unlocked? Hackers. Just wait a month or two and you'll be shooting down LS's in coldsnap 2 in no time.

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Posted by: No Refunds
People are bashing live, well guess what! Would you rather have an ok version of live, or no live at all! Live isn't that bad, except for the fact you need to pay to make servers and join specific ones. I can agree to arguing with that. But Live is NOT pay to play and it is NOT worthless.


Oh well, here's where we disagree.

I'd rather have NO live than an "ok" version of live or the version we have.

Live on H2V isn't pay to play if you're content with single player only achievements, no multiplayer options other than the server browser, no ability to host games and locked "gold only" servers. If you're content with those restrictions, by all means, H2V is perfectly free. Shadowrun is much of the same, except the key selling point to Shadowrun is crossplatform play - and you have to be Live Gold to be able to do that, too.

Live simply doesn't need to exist on PC. Teamspeak and Ventrilo are superior VoIP programs (hell, I'd even say Skype is superior). xFire is a superior friends list. Most games come with an integrated server browser already and usually come with a third party matchmaking system (eg. Gamespy Arcade) for people who want to search for games while outside of the game itself.

Other than communicating with folks who are currently playing the 360 (and, admittedly cross platform play, which I'm not really "hyped" about), Live for Windows doesn't do anything new or exciting that can't already be done. And to get the full "benefits" of Live for Windows, yes, you have to pay (or be an existing XBL Gold subscriber).

  • 06.19.2007 12:21 PM PDT

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Actually this thread was one of the better ones. Both sides of the argument had valid points and were backing them up. I was having fun learning the in's and outs of the maps and gametypes before my machine and network went to hell. At the same time it wasn't perfect. It crashed a couple of times and Live didn't seem all that stable at first. My biggest complaints are that there is no clan support, dedicated servers were not thought out very well and the FOV is frustrating. At any rate the first release is usually got problems that are addressed in future patches so let's concentrate on identifying them and getting them fixed.

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Posted by: Iggwilv
Actually this thread was one of the better ones. Both sides of the argument had valid points and were backing them up.
Hope?

Anyways, static raises a good point. Halo: Combat Evolved for PC was also a badly done port.

  • 06.19.2007 1:15 PM PDT

What it is.

Personally i think people just dislike Halo 2 so this is just another "HPC > H2V" argument. I've heard this all before when Halo 2 was released back in 2004, only then it was "Halo: Combat Evolved > Halo 2". Right now i could give two -blam!-s what people think about this game anymore. Why? Because I'm having fun with it, and that's all that matters, regardless whether it's considered "a bad port".

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Posted by: MrNick01
Is this still the Maw? I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere...

I am truly sorry for all of you that have nothing better to do but to endlessly criticize a less-than-perfect port of a 2.5 year old game, that you will play and enjoy in the end anyways.

All of us, huh? Maybe you should stop generalizing. I'm not buying this. Many others haven't as well. Mostly the people who are complaining about it are the ones who haven't bought it.

And before you go on about, "Oh, how can you complain if you bought it?" You don't need to buy a game to know the ins and out of a game, especially if you have a friend dumb enough to buy it and you've played his copy.

Posted by: No Refunds
People are bashing live, well guess what! Would you rather have an ok version of live, or no live at all! Live isn't that bad, except for the fact you need to pay to make servers and join specific ones. I can agree to arguing with that. But Live is NOT pay to play and it is NOT worthless.

I'd rather have no Live, especially for the PC. This isn't the Xbox. I don't want a s***** Xbox service for the PC, ESPECIALLY one that requires me to pay a subscription fee for "extra features" that many other games offer for free.

You say the editing kit sucks as well. Well originally, there was no Halo CE for MONTHS! But you got it didn't you? Why? Thanks to hackers. How are we going to get the HEK2 unlocked? Hackers. Just wait a month or two and you'll be shooting down LS's in coldsnap 2 in no time.
No, thanks to Gearbox. We also didn't get the editing kit on shipment because Bungie was still fiddling with their thumbs on whether or not to allow Gearbox to give it to the community.

Also, learn the difference between a hacker and a content modifier.

Also also, Coldsnap is a horrible noob vehicle map. If that's what will be polluting H2V, then the feature is admittedly bleak. Thankfully, though, there are already some good maps out for H2V.

  • 06.19.2007 2:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: kyur4thich11
Personally i think people just dislike Halo 2 so this is just another "HPC > H2V" argument. I've heard this all before when Halo 2 was released back in 2004, only then it was "Halo: Combat Evolved > Halo 2". Right now i could give two -blam!-s what people think about this game anymore. Why? Because I'm having fun with it, and that's all that matters, regardless whether it's considered "a bad port".

QFT!

  • 06.19.2007 3:00 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

I agree, I'm tired of people that are constantly arguing about whether which one is the better, if I have fun that's all that matters to me. I am willing to admit that no game will be perfect, but the are all made to be fun, and every game appeals to different people.

  • 06.19.2007 3:07 PM PDT
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ill have my own computer soon so ill be able to see if its a bad port, im gunna enjoy seeing you guys on there.

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about the worth $50... uh, buy it because you want it, because maybe you dont have it for xbox?

Both HPC and H2V were/are TERRIBLE ports, but I'm sorry, HPC was worse. 5 foot leads FTL.

I see a ton of people pointing out the flaws of Halo 2 as Halo 2, not the port itself.

  • 06.19.2007 6:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Also also, Coldsnap is a horrible noob vehicle map. If that's what will be polluting H2V, then the feature is admittedly bleak. Thankfully, though, there are already some good maps out for H2V.

Of all the people on this forum, you the most should know what sarcasm is.

  • 06.19.2007 7:24 PM PDT

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