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Subject: Rumble Pit s.m.g .start............ WHY?!!!!

I just played rumble pit on Tombstone* and it was s.m.g. start?, when the map default is B.R.?



WHY?

*Tombstone hardly an f.f.a. map now is it?................

  • 06.21.2007 5:25 AM PDT

Yes, the map default is BR start. Says a lot about the way things are done around here that they changed it to SMG start.

  • 06.21.2007 5:28 AM PDT

Posted by: RhythmKiller
Yes, the map default is BR start. Says a lot about the way things are done around here that they changed it to SMG start.

Thats what i mean i dont understand how they think it could benefit the game by changing the default weapon that developers Certain Affinity felt was the best starting weapon for their map.
Its a big map and an s.m.g. is just doesnt cut it........

  • 06.21.2007 5:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Yes, the map default is BR start. Says a lot about the way things are done around here that they changed it to SMG start.

Thats what i mean i dont understand how they think it could benefit the game by changing the default weapon that developers Certain Affinity felt was the best starting weapon for their map.
Its a big map and an s.m.g. is just doesnt cut it........


You forget, Bungie doesn't play their games. What they think is good and what they do that's good is totally different. I cannot believe there is still team slayer on relic and ect.

  • 06.21.2007 5:47 AM PDT
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This is great, a few topics down there is a group of people complaining about BR start on Tombstone, while in here they are complaining about SMG start. And that is it. Bungie makes it so both groups get what they want, sometimes you get the opposite but there isnt anything that can be done. Bungie is doing what they can. There are plenty of other weapons that are lying around on that map, it would'nt be hard to get one. And use all the cover that is provided. That is one of my favorite things about that map, it is easy to get cover when getting shot from. SMG starts, and BR starts are both just fine.

  • 06.21.2007 6:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Gold Jacobson
This is great, a few topics down there is a group of people complaining about BR start on Tombstone, while in here they are complaining about SMG start. And that is it. Bungie makes it so both groups get what they want, sometimes you get the opposite but there isnt anything that can be done. Bungie is doing what they can. There are plenty of other weapons that are lying around on that map, it would'nt be hard to get one. And use all the cover that is provided. That is one of my favorite things about that map, it is easy to get cover when getting shot from. SMG starts, and BR starts are both just fine.


That's because the other topic has a creator who is an idiot. He seems to be talking about objective in his first sentence but then the title is about BR start.

SMG start on this map provides an unfair advantage to people who spawned further away from power weapons. With a BR, you can easily grab sniper, sword and take over rockets. With just one BR too. How is that not over powered? How is shooting across the map against a guy who can only melee you not overpowered?

Sure argue that there is cover, because of course there is. But how much cover? If you're hiding, how many weapons can you pick up? How many nades can you dodge? How are you going to protect your friend who's not under cover from dieing? The fact that you can move 4 more feet or live 5 seconds doesn't really mean much.

  • 06.21.2007 6:18 AM PDT

They should just leave every regular game (except like rockets or slayer BR) to map default.

  • 06.21.2007 8:10 AM PDT

Posted by: Gold Jacobson
This is great, a few topics down there is a group of people complaining about BR start on Tombstone, while in here they are complaining about SMG start. And that is it. Bungie makes it so both groups get what they want, sometimes you get the opposite but there isnt anything that can be done. Bungie is doing what they can. There are plenty of other weapons that are lying around on that map, it would'nt be hard to get one. And use all the cover that is provided. That is one of my favorite things about that map, it is easy to get cover when getting shot from. SMG starts, and BR starts are both just fine.


I agree that they cant please everyone all time but the vast majority of games( except weapon specific playlists like Team snipers) you start with a s.m.g., i think from a practical side just having a weapon that can hit accurately outside of melee distance is required on such a large map

Taking cover when your weapon is underpowered is a must in this situation not a choice,in F.F.A. games i often run from one victory only to turn a corner and get shot once with no shield so taking cover does have its problems.

And on the map Tombstone?, i think its a poor choice just a little too big for me,i dont even know where the BR spawns on that map!! i have always played it BR start in customs(map default) and in MM.

  • 06.21.2007 1:04 PM PDT
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I find that in Rumble Pit, an SMG start makes Tombstone a lot less fun. Enemies are too far away to engage. I love the BR start variants, they seem to fit the large map better. I wish Bungie would consider removing the SMG start from Tombstone!

Changing the Colossus starting weapon from SMG to BR was a huge improvement, maybe the same thing would work here.

I know there are many opinions about this, just my 2 cents.

I love both of the new maps. Kudos to Certain Affinity!

  • 07.18.2007 6:31 AM PDT

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They, Bungie, has said multiple times since the release of Halo 3 news, that removing the Assault riffle and replacing it with the SMG was a mistake. It took away the fundamental feeling of Halo and forced you to duel wield.

Another problem is that everyone now has different tastes, after playing it for 3 years you sorta get used to it, and some people prefer the SMG while others prefer the BR. SMG because they like to duel wield and finding smaller weapons is quick, while mostly you have to run for a bit to get to the BR.

Now it is a matter of "what can we do to please the majority?", and they simply can't. It's impossible to set the game up to make everyone happy. As it was mentioned earlier, some are complaining about BR starts, and others are complaining about SMG starts. No happy medium.

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  • 07.18.2007 6:43 AM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

If host picks up BR on SMG spawn Tombstone, it's pretty much game over on that map. Desolation and Tombstone seem to be made under the assumption that there's no such thing as host BR. Very open designs with a strong lack of cover that caters to the host.

[Edited on 07.18.2007 8:32 AM PDT]

  • 07.18.2007 8:31 AM PDT

Greatest of all time

Because its the best weapon in the game DUH.

SMG vs. Rockets = SMG wins!

Well not really, but the smg and plasma rifle combo owns.

  • 07.18.2007 8:35 AM PDT