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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.
Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824
Posted by: Navillus13
Posted by: Zach The One
For someone who talks of maturity, you called us tards for giving you a point of view you never had and will never see. And i have no idea what you're trying to say for an argument other than. NO YOUR WRONG. NOPE YOUR WRONG TOO. YOU HAVE NO SAY IN THIS. YOUR WRONG AND A MORON. At what point are you going to make an argument Mr. Perfect working class american. I found my sarcasm very entertaining, and your constant belief that your just super for no apparent reason. I still don't know how old you are, what you have for a job, any credentials, you still havn't explained why playing halo2 professioanlly is only recreation after 15 pages of this argument, and who the FUDGE appointed you as the voice of the american public. Because unlike Linkin Park, you havn't gotten any awards that I know you're any sort of reproduction of the public's oppinion.
lol talking in sarcasm is childish while calling people tards and morons without even attempting to make an argument isnt. Yet another strong argument from the anti-Halo as a Job side of this debate. You guys should probably bench this guy.
First off, I called YOU the tard, not everyone else, and since you can not add 2+2, I will spell everything out for you to easily interpret:
Why Playing Halo 2, or any other type of recreational game for money, is not a sport
By Webster definition, (dictionary.com is not a credible source) lets take a look at the 3 following words and then logically compare it to how the American (I cant speak for the British) society logically interprets these phrases: Sport, Athlete, Recreation.
Sport - I choose the only definition that really matters
1 a : a source of diversion : RECREATION b : -blam!- play c (1) : physical activity engaged in for pleasure (2) : a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in.
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Recreation -
: refreshment of strength and spirits after work; also : a means of refreshment or diversion : HOBBY
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Athlete -
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
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Now lets be honest here, according to the definition of 'Sport', according to the dictionary, playing video games whether for competition or not, falls under the category of being a sport. By that SAME definition, so does whacking off, taking a dump, swinging from trees... etc etc. We all know how the American society sees things, if some people cant grasp it, then you honestly have to be blind. You can't deny societies effect on everything around us, can you? Do you guys think society sees professional gaming as a 'Sport'? I.e. This means you should be able to take a 10,000 person random survey, and more than 50% of the people would say yes, it is a sport. Hypothetically, I just don't see that happening.
If a doctor explains to you that you need to go out more, be more active, and play some sports, is the first thing that pops in your head "I do play sports Doc, I play Halo 2 all the time"? I am providing you guys with an unbiased opinion right now. Take a step back and look at this how the world looks at it.
Now onto Athlete. Is it possible that a Halo 2 gamer is an athlete solely because he plays Halo 2? According to me - No. According to society - probably not. Can you deny that? Can a Halo 2 player ALSO be an athlete? OF course they can! The offensive line for the Arizona Cardinals play all the time (maybe they should concentrate more on their blocking skills though since they are terrible). Playing Halo 2, playing cards, playing board games, taking a dump, whacking off - these are all non-athletic activities. Would you agree that the general public agrees with this? I think its undeniable.
Now for my personal opinion, being someone who's played all different kinds of sports, for competition, money, for fun, I think it can be broken down thusly:
Sports: football, basketball, soccer, baseball, hockey, volleyball, tennis, water polo, track & field, any type of racing (not with cars) and a few others which slip my mind right now.
Recreation: Playing poker, darts, pool, playing video games, bowling, golf, (NASCAR is a tossup and think it should get its own category, anything that involves life threats should have its own category)
Now I think society as a whole, may include golf in either, or nascar in either... but the rest I think we can agree on (if we were all of society) right?
Why Playing Halo 2, or any other type of recreational game for money, is not work or a job
Now lets start off by saying this... If these select elite MLG guys are being paid to show up at conventions, train other people, speak at conferences, all for a paycheck.. then yes it is a job. The actual playing of Halo 2, is not, because they are not just getting paid to play halo 2. Agree?
Winning tournaments is not a job, winning money in competitions is not a job. If this was true, then almost everyone in Vegas would be considered 'working' at their 'job'.
Is it hard work? not in the slightest. Why?
My opinion: Doctors, construction workers, bankers, IT consultants, lawyers, mcdonald's employees, janitors, professional athletes (from the sports category above) all work hard. You cannot combine the mental exhaustion of being a halo 2 player to that of a doctor, banker, or IT consultant. They've gone through years and years of schooling, anxiety, work pressure, deadlines etc etc... things of which a Halo 2 player will never have to endure. Construction workers, pro atheletes, (mcdonalds, janitors on a lesser level) must have extreme physical endurance to do the same thing everyday, 8 hours a day, 300 days a year. Ask any one of them if playing Halo 2 is hard work. You guys have said it yourselves, when these guys are done playing, they will concentrate on a career. If Halo 2 is a job and hard work, and they are good at it, then why don't they just do that forever?
Even though I know I can't speak for society as a whole, I believe we can all agree on the general interpretation of what people would view MLG as being. We can't be that naive... can we?
*Side note, I just threw all my thoughts out here as quickly as possible, if you see flaws in my argument, please point them out and I will respond. I was typing this up and attempting to work at the same time*
"You guys have said it yourselves, when these guys are done playing, they will concentrate on a career. If Halo 2 is a job and hard work, and they are good at it, then why don't they just do that forever?"
Well, like any other athlete with the exception of Roger Clemens people get past their playing prime. As human beings get older their reaction times, memory and hand eye coordination start to fail. Thats why they cant play this forever.