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Ok, none, however, gaming is included....


Do you find that controversial though?

I mean I can call myself an athlete, when I'm morbidly obese , because I play Halo 2?


If your a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, agility, or stamina.


So a morbidly obese person can be called an athlete, under your "interpretation" of the definition.

I don't think that's right.


So a fat person cannot be an athlete?
If that is the case a few proffesional football players aren't athletes......
Haha, Critical isnt an athlete.
SILENCE FK POKEMASTER

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Posted by: AkA_EnVy
Posted by: MoBert WILLIS
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Ok, none, however, gaming is included....


Do you find that controversial though?

I mean I can call myself an athlete, when I'm morbidly obese , because I play Halo 2?


If your a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, agility, or stamina.


So a morbidly obese person can be called an athlete, under your "interpretation" of the definition.

I don't think that's right.


So a fat person cannot be an athlete?
If that is the case a few proffesional football players aren't athletes......
Haha, Critical isnt an athlete.
SILENCE FK POKEMASTER
Way to be an OC Girl.

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Posted by: AkA_EnVy
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Every single pro, every single one, and quote me on this, is nice. There is not one pro that is stuck up at all, and you wouldn't know that because you've never met any of them in real life or online. So don't be ignorant and label all pros as stuck up when you have no idea what your talking about.
Get off the pros nuts... I know what they don't want is some kid grabbin on to there nuts all day.


RIDING THEIR NUTS?!?!

I have been amazingly good friends with almost all of them for a LONG time. I was friends with people on FB when they were StK dominating Halo 1 with Saiyan. Don't tell me to stop riding nuts you piece of -blam!-.

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Jus wandering, any1 here play with or against pros, i just played with whoisstrongside (who is the real strongside) in 2 ffas on midship and beat him both times, (it was his first games of the day) i played with VcS Gun Shot a few days ago , and im in Ogre 2s clan, preveously in LiL Poisons clan. Also i hav fb walshy , fbi halogod, fbi victory, l3utt3rz and i5ki roy on my friends list. Any1 else play wit pros?


If you beat Strongside then 1 of 2 things were happening...either it wasnt him or he wasnt trying. Take into account that alot and I mean ALOT of pro accounts got hacked and the rest are imposters. But yes, I do have several people that are eiher pro or semi pro that I play with regularly and they are all better than me.


He plays with pros... when not circle boosting in slayer

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Every single pro, every single one, and quote me on this, is nice. There is not one pro that is stuck up at all, and you wouldn't know that because you've never met any of them in real life or online. So don't be ignorant and label all pros as stuck up when you have no idea what your talking about.
Get off the pros nuts... I know what they don't want is some kid grabbin on to there nuts all day.


RIDING THEIR NUTS?!?!

I have been amazingly good friends with almost all of them for a LONG time. I was friends with people on FB when they were StK dominating Halo 1 with Saiyan. Don't tell me to stop riding nuts you piece of -blam!-.
Seriously, I know da acklete, does that mean I ride pros nuts?

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Posted by: Navillus13
Now lets be honest here, according to the definition of 'Sport', according to the dictionary, playing video games whether for competition or not, falls under the category of being a sport. By that SAME definition, so does whacking off, taking a dump, swinging from trees... etc etc. We all know how the American society sees things, if some people cant grasp it, then you honestly have to be blind. You can't deny societies effect on everything around us, can you? Do you guys think society sees professional gaming as a 'Sport'? I.e. This means you should be able to take a 10,000 person random survey, and more than 50% of the people would say yes, it is a sport. Hypothetically, I just don't see that happening.


This is exactly the kind of perception I think most people on the MLG = sport side are arguing against. Society needs to accept pro gaming as a sport, or it will never grow beyond what it is. Remember, the general public once considered video games a fad, but we proved them wrong on that opinion, so why should this be any different?

Posted by: Navillus13
Now onto Athlete. Is it possible that a Halo 2 gamer is an athlete solely because he plays Halo 2? According to me - No. According to society - probably not. Can you deny that? Can a Halo 2 player ALSO be an athlete? OF course they can! The offensive line for the Arizona Cardinals play all the time (maybe they should concentrate more on their blocking skills though since they are terrible). Playing Halo 2, playing cards, playing board games, taking a dump, whacking off - these are all non-athletic activities. Would you agree that the general public agrees with this? I think its undeniable.


I don't really have an argument against this one, other than, why are we letting society decide this for us? I think, under the broadest definition of athlete, pro gamers can be included based on the amount of skill required to play, the stamina they have to exhibit during tournaments, and the sheer dedication they've put into the game.

Posted by: Navillus13
Why Playing Halo 2, or any other type of recreational game for money, is not work or a job

Now lets start off by saying this... If these select elite MLG guys are being paid to show up at conventions, train other people, speak at conferences, all for a paycheck.. then yes it is a job. The actual playing of Halo 2, is not, because they are not just getting paid to play halo 2. Agree?
Winning tournaments is not a job, winning money in competitions is not a job. If this was true, then almost everyone in Vegas would be considered 'working' at their 'job'.


The only reason they're doing all of these other things is because they get payed to play Halo. The gaming lessons aren't part of that, it's something these kids do on the side for supplemental income (correct me if I'm wrong). Endorsements, conferences, whatever else all come about because of their pro gaming career. I'll agree, not all of the people on the pro circuit are making the majority of their income from playing competitively, but if they're making money from being in the tournament, I think it's fair to say that playing Halo is their job.

Posted by: Navillus13
Is it hard work? not in the slightest. Why?

My opinion: Doctors, construction workers, bankers, IT consultants, lawyers, mcdonald's employees, janitors, professional athletes (from the sports category above) all work hard. You cannot combine the mental exhaustion of being a halo 2 player to that of a doctor, banker, or IT consultant. They've gone through years and years of schooling, anxiety, work pressure, deadlines etc etc... things of which a Halo 2 player will never have to endure. Construction workers, pro atheletes, (mcdonalds, janitors on a lesser level) must have extreme physical endurance to do the same thing everyday, 8 hours a day, 300 days a year. Ask any one of them if playing Halo 2 is hard work. You guys have said it yourselves, when these guys are done playing, they will concentrate on a career. If Halo 2 is a job and hard work, and they are good at it, then why don't they just do that forever?


I've worked in several fields, and while I can say I've never worked as hard as I did in construction, that was just physical labor. What constitutes hard work is debatable by itself, but I wouldn't hesitate to say that the top pros in gaming worked their asses off to get there.

Posted by: Navillus13
Even though I know I can't speak for society as a whole, I believe we can all agree on the general interpretation of what people would view MLG as being. We can't be that naive... can we?

*Side note, I just threw all my thoughts out here as quickly as possible, if you see flaws in my argument, please point them out and I will respond. I was typing this up and attempting to work at the same time*


Like I've stated before, we can't let society decide for us how pro gaming should be treated. While it's important to be accepted into the mainstream, it's never gonna happen if we just sit back and hope for the best. I for one don't want to see that happen. I've been playing games too long to see this chance at legitimacy be denied.

That's just my two cents.

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i have played against Final Boss on my old account before they got rid of sayian. we lost but still it was fun. had ogre2 on my friends list and always seen him playing with strongside and a bunch of other pros.

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WTF, why would u say i circle boost, A. im a lvl 26, not a 50 ,B. im a legit 39 in THC so why would i cheat. C. wat gave u the reason to post this

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Posted by: Ix ReX xI
Every single pro, every single one, and quote me on this, is nice. There is not one pro that is stuck up at all, and you wouldn't know that because you've never met any of them in real life or online. So don't be ignorant and label all pros as stuck up when you have no idea what your talking about.



You are just as ignorant as them. Don't label a group of people, since you have no idea what you're talking about.

I've played with a few "pros" online and they werent very nice. Saying all of them are nice online is ignorant.

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Posted by: Ix ReX xI
Every single pro, every single one, and quote me on this, is nice. There is not one pro that is stuck up at all, and you wouldn't know that because you've never met any of them in real life or online. So don't be ignorant and label all pros as stuck up when you have no idea what your talking about.



You are just as ignorant as them. Don't label a group of people, since you have no idea what you're talking about.

I've played with a few "pros" online and they werent very nice. Saying all of them are nice online is ignorant.


Well seeing as how I know almost everyone in top 32, I'd think I know what I'm talking about.

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Posted by: S2K ViP3R
there is not point in saying hey i got a 40- HIGH RANK MEANS NOTHING, it means you either bridged host or cheated...and the skillfull player like myself have 27s cause of cheating.

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Posted by: Ix ReX xI
Every single pro, every single one, and quote me on this, is nice. There is not one pro that is stuck up at all, and you wouldn't know that because you've never met any of them in real life or online. So don't be ignorant and label all pros as stuck up when you have no idea what your talking about.



You are just as ignorant as them. Don't label a group of people, since you have no idea what you're talking about.

I've played with a few "pros" online and they werent very nice. Saying all of them are nice online is ignorant.


Well seeing as how I know almost everyone in top 32, I'd think I know what I'm talking about.


I don't think you can label 32 people as all being good guys. In todays society that is very unlikely.

Everybody knows Gun shot. He's one of the most hated pros around (and he's -blam!- pro now so STFU) because he's a jerk. I've been in quite a few parties with him, played a few FFA's with him, and sometimes he's cool and other times he can act like a jerk. Hell, I've even had him end the game a few times because he was losing, then he just restarts the game. I mean, WTF?

Legit booted one of my friends from a 4v4 one time for being a sword whore in Lockout Team Slayer? WTF?

Popcorn boots me from an FFA for using the shotgun? WTF?

Again, I don't play with these guys all the time. But, most "Nice Guys" won't just boot people randomly.

Just from my experience....

I just don't see how you can label 32 different individuals just that quick.....

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Ok, none, however, gaming is included....


Do you find that controversial though?

I mean I can call myself an athlete, when I'm morbidly obese , because I play Halo 2?


If your a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, agility, or stamina.


So a morbidly obese person can be called an athlete, under your "interpretation" of the definition.

I don't think that's right.


So a fat person cannot be an athlete?
If that is the case a few proffesional football players aren't athletes......


You do know thats not a professional football team right?

  • 06.28.2007 11:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ix ReX xI
Every single pro, every single one, and quote me on this, is nice. There is not one pro that is stuck up at all, and you wouldn't know that because you've never met any of them in real life or online. So don't be ignorant and label all pros as stuck up when you have no idea what your talking about.



You are just as ignorant as them. Don't label a group of people, since you have no idea what you're talking about.

I've played with a few "pros" online and they werent very nice. Saying all of them are nice online is ignorant.


Well seeing as how I know almost everyone in top 32, I'd think I know what I'm talking about.


i agree with the other guy, your on their nuts. there is no way in hell that "Professional Gaming" is a sport. You dont run the risk of being injured or risking your life everyday. There's no way to compare it to any kind of athletic activity...except maybe golf...

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frankiee u never beat strongside and if u did it wasnt the real one.

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wat because pros are perfect, they arent that amazing, they have lots of bad games, i went 50-27, he went 43-32, next game i didnt win i went 45-30, he went 40-30. they were his 1st games of the day, im not saying im better than strongside coz im not, i was jus impressed that i beat some1 that makes money from playing it

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Posted by: Navillus13
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No not really i come on these forums to see if anybody has anything interesting to say and all i read is ima MLG pro blah blah blah blah blah blah screw you're damn mlg playtypes geek go strap up and get in some ugly fat chicks pants dum ass


Why would you go into an MLG thread looking for interesting things to read that DON'T deal with MLG?

Oh yeh, I forgot that according to you, debating also constitutes as being a nerd. Since you decided to join in the debate, wouldn't you yourself, by your own definition, be considered a nerd now?

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Posted by: HarlemPiff
No not really i come on these forums to see if anybody has anything interesting to say and all i read is ima MLG pro blah blah blah blah blah blah screw you're damn mlg playtypes geek go strap up and get in some ugly fat chicks pants dum ass


Why would you go into an MLG thread looking for interesting things to read that DON'T deal with MLG?

Oh yeh, I forgot that according to you, debating also constitutes as being a nerd. Since you decided to join in the debate, wouldn't you yourself, by your own definition, be considered a nerd now?


LOL

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does the name Babe Ruth.. ring a bell? the way pros are seen today , and who is really considered a pro / athlete , what a pro event is ,and whats considered a non pro event are very different than 80,50,20,or even 5 years ago. its really always changeing... wrestling at one time was considered a pro sport, im not talking about high school or college levels,,even called itself a proffesional sport organization, today its no longer considered a sport, or in any way links itself to sporting .. they got rid of the agrument changed the name to WWE and what it really is.. ENTERTAINMENT .. was RUTH not an athlete.,because he was fat and did not work out like todays athletes? is a place kicker considered an athlete, the same way the linbacker is..because they dont practice as hard,and dont take the beatings like other positions do? you could ask 10 people and get different views.. BUT they are all considered proffesionals.. if your a doctor,actor, contractor,play games, or what ever you do and you have worked, studied, practiced,to excell in your field and to make a living at it you are considered a PRO.........

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you suck.

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You wish you could make 250K a year to play Halo.


I would rather not waste the rest of my life to play video games.


kid, your an idiot


I'm an idiot.

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Cyber-Athlete

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yes i have played with many of pros.. i was looking on here does any1 want to have an 8v8 clan match


and maybe have like a 3month as the prize


message me or just add me on xboxlive my gamertag is roulu

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Pros are over-rated. I pooped on IWL soooooo many times. BXBXB when he has sword? No problem.

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Posted by: I SacramenT I
Pros are over-rated.
Tell me about it. I shat on da acklete in an FFA.

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Posted by: MoBert WILLIS
Posted by: I SacramenT I
Pros are over-rated.
Tell me about it. I shat on da acklete in an FFA.

Was IWL in the party gettin a BJ?

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Posted by: I SacramenT I
Posted by: MoBert WILLIS
Posted by: I SacramenT I
Pros are over-rated.
Tell me about it. I shat on da acklete in an FFA.

Was IWL in the party gettin a BJ?
Yep. After all, they're best friends. I bet me and my good friend (It Was) Jackie Chan would whoop them in a fight.

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