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Posted by: Navillus13
So hey, lets stop using the "250k" per year BS.
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smh, they make $729.5 an hour.


And Pandemic I would say that you don't necessary have to be an athlete if you compete in sports. Sort of like how you broke down the sports too athletic/recreational.

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1. Just exactly, how many Pros are there?


Top 16 in either FFA or 4v4 for Halo 2 is pro (for that game.)

However, only the top 3 in each get paid.







Actually they changed it to Top 8 thats gets money. 8th gets $250, witch isn't that much you split it with 3 teammates and a coach. Atleast once you get top 16 MLG gives you $1,000 in travel money. Witch usually covers 3/4ths of your teams plane tickets if you book them at the right time.


Thanks for clarifying man. We gotta hit up team hardcore going in alone results in me getting destroyed LOL

  • 06.25.2007 12:01 PM PDT

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Okay if you are reading this than you are most likely a big fan of halo. You would LOVE IT if you could get paid to play, all of you. Jealousy is the only reason you could possible say otherwise. MLG has fans and people watch VOD and follow the league. That is how they contribute to society, just like any sports player out there. Someone said they have the same amount of dexterity as a card player??? Are you kidding me? They excel in the league because they have the fastest fingers and brains and the smarts to apply it at a very fast rate.


Guarantee whomever posted this is under the age of 16. You and all the other kids bring up "jealousy" in all of your posts. You guys DO realize there are other ways in this world to make more money than these guys do... don't ya? Got knews for you, 83k per year is not hard to achieve in many lines of work.

Oh... I guess moving my fingers fast makes me a good Halo player right? I move my fingers fast at a keyboard all day, does that mean I have this awesome level of dexterity? I believe 'brains and smarts' are also in poker tournaments as well, correct?

Thank you and drive through.

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Navillus, the 83K per year is not the point. The point is they worked just as hard to get there as someone else making that kind of money and doing it the more "conventional" way.

Sure, going to college, getting a degree, settling down and working is what America is all about. Heck, it's what I'm doing right now. And yes, it takes hard work.

But it also takes hard work to be good at anything and make big bucks for it. That's why the best of the best get paid so well in Halo 2. And it's not like this is what they'll be doing all their lives. Walshy has a clothing line ready and waiting for him when he stops gaming professionally. Karma is going on to study computer design, I believe. The rest of them are going to school, or plan on going to school to keep their educations going.

However, at the moment, they're taking advantage of what's for them- and that's a nice paying job in the form of proffesional gaming. Not mention the "benefits." Final Boss got ViP spots in Gilbert Arenas' birthday party, you gotta admit that's pretty sweet.

  • 06.25.2007 12:37 PM PDT

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Navillus, the 83K per year is not the point. The point is they worked just as hard to get there as someone else making that kind of money and doing it the more "conventional" way.


I hope this was a joke. If it wasn't, then I honestly can not debate with some of you guys anymore.

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Navillus, the 83K per year is not the point. The point is they worked just as hard to get there as someone else making that kind of money and doing it the more "conventional" way.


I hope this was a joke. If it wasn't, then I honestly can not debate with some of you guys anymore.


Ok, I'll admit maybe saying "just as hard" was a stretch. But you can't say it's not hard work that results in getting paid that kind of money. I mean, we're talking 83K here. If you didn't work hard for it, you wouldn't have the chance to get it.

These guys spend a lot of time coming up with strats and techniques and any new kind of innovation to keep ahead of the pack. The amount of time in preparing for these tournaments is the result of hard work.

They treat it more like a job than fun. And for good reason- they're getting paid a lot of money to do it.

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ICEMAN you can't really say what they think of it has.

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Well.... if you do not like MLG, then think of it like this, now you can finally say your not as stupid as those guys and you have a life. Se problem soved for everybody......Now back to your regularly scheduled program

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ICEMAN you can't really say what they think of it has.


True, however I was basing it off of an interview Walshy had about what he thinks of his profession. He said he treats it more like work rather than having pure "fun" at these tournaments.

But, you're correct- I shouldn't base it all on what one person said in an interview, especially considering I've never attended an event. It could vary from person to person.

[Edited on 06.25.2007 1:08 PM PDT]

  • 06.25.2007 1:06 PM PDT

Damn you roor!

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Okay if you are reading this than you are most likely a big fan of halo. You would LOVE IT if you could get paid to play, all of you. Jealousy is the only reason you could possible say otherwise. MLG has fans and people watch VOD and follow the league. That is how they contribute to society, just like any sports player out there. Someone said they have the same amount of dexterity as a card player??? Are you kidding me? They excel in the league because they have the fastest fingers and brains and the smarts to apply it at a very fast rate.


Guarantee whomever posted this is under the age of 16. You and all the other kids bring up "jealousy" in all of your posts. You guys DO realize there are other ways in this world to make more money than these guys do... don't ya? Got knews for you, 83k per year is not hard to achieve in many lines of work.

Oh... I guess moving my fingers fast makes me a good Halo player right? I move my fingers fast at a keyboard all day, does that mean I have this awesome level of dexterity? I believe 'brains and smarts' are also in poker tournaments as well, correct?

Thank you and drive through.


Yes there are more ways to make this much money, of course. There are also countless jobs out there that pay LESS than having a contract with mlg, even after going to college. Why don't you think they deserve the contracts, exactly? Because all they're doing is playing a game? Then why would, for example, a baseball player get paid MILLIONS every single year? They practice, compete, do well, and make a lot of money, just like ANY OTHER SPORT. So you must be against all sports?

Do you even like playing halo multiplayer? What career have you chosen that's so rewarding and contributes soooo much to society? You probably hate your job, sounds like it to me. Hence, the jealousy factor you make light of.

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What I want to know, is why is there so much disdain for someone getting paid to game? Just go on with your job, and leave them alone. No need to judge. Especially considering you don't even know them.......

  • 06.25.2007 1:21 PM PDT

Damn you roor!

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What I want to know, is why is there so much disdain for someone getting paid to game? Just go on with your job, and leave them alone. No need to judge. Especially considering you don't even know them.......


exactly.

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Posted by: Jablonzo
Okay if you are reading this than you are most likely a big fan of halo. You would LOVE IT if you could get paid to play, all of you. Jealousy is the only reason you could possible say otherwise. MLG has fans and people watch VOD and follow the league. That is how they contribute to society, just like any sports player out there. Someone said they have the same amount of dexterity as a card player??? Are you kidding me? They excel in the league because they have the fastest fingers and brains and the smarts to apply it at a very fast rate.


Guarantee whomever posted this is under the age of 16. You and all the other kids bring up "jealousy" in all of your posts. You guys DO realize there are other ways in this world to make more money than these guys do... don't ya? Got knews for you, 83k per year is not hard to achieve in many lines of work.

Oh... I guess moving my fingers fast makes me a good Halo player right? I move my fingers fast at a keyboard all day, does that mean I have this awesome level of dexterity? I believe 'brains and smarts' are also in poker tournaments as well, correct?

Thank you and drive through.


Yes there are more ways to make this much money, of course. There are also countless jobs out there that pay LESS than having a contract with mlg, even after going to college. Why don't you think they deserve the contracts, exactly? Because all they're doing is playing a game? Then why would, for example, a baseball player get paid MILLIONS every single year? They practice, compete, do well, and make a lot of money, just like ANY OTHER SPORT. So you must be against all sports?

Do you even like playing halo multiplayer? What career have you chosen that's so rewarding and contributes soooo much to society? You probably hate your job, sounds like it to me. Hence, the jealousy factor you make light of.



The general ignorance of the public towards the time, effort, talent, determination, and sacrifice to become a pro gamer usually pushes me towards anger. Let me explain something, it's called competetive drive. The will to win, and to push yourself to become better. At this point i'm basically qualified for the H2 Challenge, been in some of the top clan match clans, placed just outside pro bracket at MLG, have had sponsors ranging from LAN centers to family friends, and won around $500 in local and regional halo tournaments. I stopped investing so much of my time into this game because it just required too much of a risky sacrifice to make it into anything. This may sound cocky, but I know I could be a professional gamer. Between tournaments and giving lessons I could make enough. Especially since the "sport" is always growing as the general population accepts games more and more. Last summer i probably spent somewhere from 4-6 hours a day practicing for locals and MLG, and would spend a good 4 hours a week watching pro videos and studying what they did. Checking out their strats, double jumps, ledges to camp on, things of that nature. I also invested around $1,000 in my culmulative travel expences. At MLG Orlando my team got top 32 am, a team that was officially made about a week before the event. We spent a pretty damn good chunk of time practising and getting better. The sickening truth was that yes I had the potential, but I didn't want to risk the type of investment needed to get to that level. This is what i would've have to do to go pro.

-Drop out of highschool right before my senior year.
-Get a decent part time-job to supplement travel.
-Probably start giving gaming lessons for $15-$20 and hour.
-Practise 8-10 hours a day
-Devote a good chunk of time every week to sending letters to businesses for sponsorships. (like scholarships for college)
-Work my way into the community to get a better team together.
-Go for jogs, lift weights, keep my body and mind strong so I have that sustainable mental endurance. (If you don't understand why I'd do that, then you've never played under the pressure of MLG for hours on end.)

Overall I'd have to devote my time and efforts into it just like any other entertainer would have to do. We play a game that everyone else plays, but much better than them and at a level actually marketable to the general public. I have friends come over to watch me play in online tournaments, watch me beat randoms in matchmaking 4v1, things like that. If you have the golf channel then you've probably seen tiger woods and jim furyk doing some challenge things where they try to make impossible shots, which they make to everyones astonishment. 100,000+ people attend golf tournaments to watch. 70,000+ pack into fenway park to watch the redsocks year round. That's just locally. Think of how many people play halo, and they would all appreciate the sick consitency, accuracy, and moves/combos that the upper esholon so eloquently perform to win their matches. So yes playing halo professionally is very difficult because it takes talent, time, devotion, work ethic, and competetive spirit. From my experiences at the 6 events I've been to over the past few years, there's generally two types of people. Extremely competetive people who are generally good at everything and know how to work at being the best, and nerds who don't really have a whole lot to do, don't have social skills, and don't have much to sacrifice since they do nothing but play games anyways. But the nerds don't really make up the very top, they're mostly 5/6 and down. I'm not naming names, but some REALLY GOD FFA PLAYERS (hint meadlowlands hint), obviously don't have much of a social life. But don't get me wrong, IGotYourPistola is awesome, but I don't know how many people would associate with him socially at his age.

For anyone who thinks I maybe some fat kid ranting. I'm 6', 160lb, bench 170, run a 5 minute mile, usually do well at anything I compete in, anytime. For me halo started out as something me and some buddies got together to do for fun. I just pushed myself to win because that's just what I always did. It's never "just a game", it's a win or lose, either happy or disgusted. And that's how it is for most of the pros, teams disband from placing badly at one tournament based on pure frustration from losing and their competetive desire.

I hope this has shaped some sort of picture for those of you who havn't had the chance to have a good one on one chat with someone who does this. I try to share my experiences on occasion, i'm sure if you searched my username for created thread you could find my essay on what it took to be semi-ready for the competetive level and my sacrifices. Look it up if you like, and please excuse any typos or spelling errors i've made, I sort of shot gunned this post. I try not to exclude certain parts of vocabulary just because I don't know how the words are spelled.

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Wow, Zach's quite the fatty. Good post man, as usual.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprof ile&friendid=47195141 You have nothing on my fatness though.


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wow man you are sucha fatass! just look at that fudging gut man! I'm assuming your the end on the left edge of the picture. I'd start asking if you played offensive or defensive end because i've done both, but i don't want this topic to stray too far. There's always xbox live. lol

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Posted by: Zach The One
wow man you are sucha fatass! just look at that fudging gut man! I'm assuming your the end on the left edge of the picture. I'd start asking if you played offensive or defensive end because i've done both, but i don't want this topic to stray too far. There's always xbox live. lol


LOL, I'm not in the football picture, I just found that online and thought it was hilarious. I played Cornerback when I played football. I played D-End in 8th grade, wasn't big enough when I got to HS.

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wow man you are sucha fatass! just look at that fudging gut man! I'm assuming your the end on the left edge of the picture. I'd start asking if you played offensive or defensive end because i've done both, but i don't want this topic to stray too far. There's always xbox live. lol


LOL, I'm not in the football picture, I just found that online and thought it was hilarious. I played Cornerback when I played football. I played D-End in 8th grade, wasn't big enough when I got to HS.


Ya i was offensive end in 7th, defensive end in 8th, broke my thumb half way through the season and was put to 3rd string defensive tackle at 110lbs lol. I played golf in high school though since i've played it since i was 2 or 3. Anyways, we should avoid getting this thread closed through any more off topic discussion, so send me a f/r on live (Zach The One if you didnt already know) or ZachTheCreator on aim.




So does anyone still think it's easy to be pro, takes no work ethic at all? Isn't worthy to be placed next to other professional sports?

oh and BTW, I think the top 100 starcraft players make 6 figures, the top CS and PC shooter players like Fatal1ty have amassed tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions from winnings and sponsorships. You should see the regimines that the korean starcraft players go through to practise they're gameplay. You ignormamouses obviously have no idea what it takes to achieve that level of skill in anything practised by many, if you think it's not an accomplishment to make a living off a professional sport.

I forgot to mention i gave up gaming to pursue Architecture, and i will be attending Wentworth Institute of Technology in Boston, MA this coming fall. But I may open an online gaming school at some point soon. I've been fondling the idea for a while. It would have an actual lesson plan, and a guide to halo with input from Pro FFA players and team strats taken directly from pro teams like RoC or FB. So it would be worth the $15 to $20 and hour for lessons.

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Also there was a good amount of mentioning that it takes a certain feeling of accomplishment, this reminded me of an old post I wrote up to explain the mindset of an MLG Player when it was fresh in my mind.
LOL.... ok i think that hardcore should be purely mlg game types. And that rumble hardcore was a failure because it was supposed to be tailored to the MLG players, but it wasn't MLG settings. It wasn't even close. The only thing that mlg players want is FFA on midship, 20 minutes, 50 kills, human weapons, br start, radar ON.......i think that sums up the basic settings. But none of the mlg people would play it because it was the wrong settings and wasn't worth their time. They'd just make a custom FFA to warm up as usual. Personally, i'd use it as a warmup everytime i got on if it had the right settings.

I was an MLG player. i spectated at orlando 05', new york 05', competed at chicago 06' and orlando 06'. Being a PRO MLG gamer means you have achieved PRO status on the MLG Pro curcuit. So either you have enough points to be in the overall top 16 teams, or you have enough FFA points to be in the top 16 in FFA. At its roots, being a pro, meens your a professional. That implies that you make a living off of whatever you're doing. There are maybe 12 or 16 people who can play halo for a living. They are pro, i dont really consider everyone else pro, but if MLG didnt give something (pro or semi-pro status) to the other 24 teams who played in the pro bracket and didnt get money, then why would they waste their time.

MLG is powered by the community, it's popularity is because of word of mouth. MLG has gotten so big BECAUSE of people like this kid SniperFire, who is overly cocky, but thats the attitude MLG players grow to have. A feeling of dominance because they practise the ways of the elite player. They play on occasion with the best and they take pride in that. So instead of pointing out some random kids ego like SniperFire, be the bigger man, the worldlier person, and maybe think...why? Why is there so many kids like this one? I think it's because halo makes them feel like someone, i know it makes me feel like someone when i'm in the "halo world". Online I'm Zach The One, im usually held in high regard by everyone i play with and against, i could make a clan based purely on fans and people who would want me to train them. And to get invites from semi pros and pros to play, makes you feel good because even the best respect you.

Halo to a lot of kids makes them feel like someone. A feeling most people don't have. On halo these kids arn't just another name. They are "Max the Man", or "EverPro... something or other, they are a persona that they create. I've met a lot of people who are just different online. Online you dont have to be yourself. You can be who you want to be. You can be a tough guy or annoy everyone you meet because you jusy dont care. Or maybe, as the MLG kids try to be, someone who is the best. Who is respected for their ability. It gives them a feeling of having a place in the world, or atleast a world. And I think that is what hooks a lot of the gamers.

I used to be into this game hardcore. I used to practise 6 to 8 hours a day all summer, spend all my hard earned money on travel so i could compete on a national level. I used to be in one of the top clans: BC Unit. I used to be top 1000 in team slayer, rumble pit, and big team battle. I got my 37 legit back in the day when modding made it almost impossible to play legit by winning every legit game. All these things make you feel like someone, like you've accomplished something.

But over the last year and especially over the summer, when i was getting more and more into halo. I'd be practising for hours, watching footage to learn what people do so that i could know every possible option in every situation. But all this time made my grades suffer, my friendships weaken, my girlfriend cheated on me (which i didnt find out until recently >o ) , and i was in a little debt. All these things came crashing down on me, and just like in the matrix when they pull the needles out of the people's heads, i was pulled out of my world and back into the real world. I realized that the idea of gaming for a living being anything in the gaming world would require that i give up almost everything and play 24/7. This realization came right after i got knocked out of 5th round 4v4 at orlando. I'd been thinking of it before that, but i had hit a cross-roads... do i continue my gaming or try to "have a life". I decided i needed to spend more time with my girlfriend, more time with my friends, get A's, and work towards being an architect. But it took a lot to get me out of my brain-washed state. It took a lot of real world problems to bring me back to the real world.

So please, understand that the cocky kid saying he'll own you because you don't believe in mlg and you're a noob, is really just a misunderstood person trying to find their way in the gaming world. And Rather than be taken aback by his offensive nature, understand that it hasn't hit him yet that either he gives up all his times to gaming, or he's just wasting his time posting on this forum for MLG this and that.

I hope that after reading this that you have a better understanding of the MLG halo player's mindset, which will allow you to flame less and enjoy your time on the forums more. I hope after reading this you will be less ignorant in general towards MLG, and we all know how bad ignorance is. Just look at slavery and the holocaust... VERY BAD.. =D


This was originally to help explain why MLG/Competetive players are somethimes like the way they are. My first real attempt to cleanse ignorance. :)

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  • 06.25.2007 7:36 PM PDT

Who let the tards out? Do you guys even understand the point I was arguing? Tell me where I said MLG players don't deserve contracts. Please quote it for me. And the two teenagers sending each other myspace links of themselves, neither of you have ever had a real job. You guys have no credibility in this discussion.

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Who let the tards out? Do you guys even understand the point I was arguing? Tell me where I said MLG players don't deserve contracts. Please quote it for me. And the two teenagers sending each other myspace links of themselves, neither of you have ever had a real job. You guys have no credibility in this discussion.

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Okay if you are reading this than you are most likely a big fan of halo. You would LOVE IT if you could get paid to play, all of you. Jealousy is the only reason you could possible say otherwise. MLG has fans and people watch VOD and follow the league. That is how they contribute to society, just like any sports player out there. Someone said they have the same amount of dexterity as a card player??? Are you kidding me? They excel in the league because they have the fastest fingers and brains and the smarts to apply it at a very fast rate.


Guarantee whomever posted this is under the age of 16. You and all the other kids bring up "jealousy" in all of your posts. You guys DO realize there are other ways in this world to make more money than these guys do... don't ya? Got knews for you, 83k per year is not hard to achieve in many lines of work.

Oh... I guess moving my fingers fast makes me a good Halo player right? I move my fingers fast at a keyboard all day, does that mean I have this awesome level of dexterity? I believe 'brains and smarts' are also in poker tournaments as well, correct?

Thank you and drive through.


I could spend one year going pro in halo 2 and make 83k a year over spending money and years advancing my education just to get a job that I will then have to work for long enough to begin to make 83k+ a year. I'd leech off gaming for as long as possible and then advance my education, etc..

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Posted by: Navillus13
Who let the tards out? Do you guys even understand the point I was arguing? Tell me where I said MLG players don't deserve contracts. Please quote it for me. And the two teenagers sending each other myspace links of themselves, neither of you have ever had a real job. You guys have no credibility in this discussion.


Navillus, please don't use the word "tard" we're trying to have a public discussion with two sides having clearly drawn lines. Flaming only makes this a spam thread as opposed to a debate.

Now, what constitutes a "Real" job? Sweeping trash at an elementary school is a job. Flipping burgers is a job. Sitting behind a desk (like what I've been doing on and off the past three years in between college) is a job.

And the fact that someone isn't employed shouldn't prevent them from partaking in this discussion. Because even if you're not working, I'm sure you could appreciate someone working to earn a paycheck, as long as its honest work.

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I am 1337

MLG = GLITCHERS = NOOBS


But some of thepros are still good but most suck because they all glitchs


I would be ashamedto be in Mlg because i Double shot or BxR or qaud shot.

But still most pros are still goood with out them.

  • 06.26.2007 12:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: Navillus13
Who let the tards out? Do you guys even understand the point I was arguing? Tell me where I said MLG players don't deserve contracts. Please quote it for me. And the two teenagers sending each other myspace links of themselves, neither of you have ever had a real job. You guys have no credibility in this discussion.


Navillus, please don't use the word "tard" we're trying to have a public discussion with two sides having clearly drawn lines. Flaming only makes this a spam thread as opposed to a debate.

Now, what constitutes a "Real" job? Sweeping trash at an elementary school is a job. Flipping burgers is a job. Sitting behind a desk (like what I've been doing on and off the past three years in between college) is a job.

And the fact that someone isn't employed shouldn't prevent them from partaking in this discussion. Because even if you're not working, I'm sure you could appreciate someone working to earn a paycheck, as long as its honest work.


People with no credibility should not partake in discussions about what constitutes work... that is like me trying to participate in a discussion at my work about budget finances when I have no experience in budgeting. Sweeping trash is not recreation, flipping burgers is not recreation, sitting behind a desk doing office work is not recreation. Playing Halo 2, whether for competition, for fun, or for money, is RECREATION no matter how you guys try to spin it. Just because a select few get a bonus for playing 8 hours a day, everyday, does not mean it constitutes as being a job. This is the reality and people need to accept it. Society will never see MLG gaming as a job or a sport. Period.

Discussion over.

  • 06.26.2007 9:07 AM PDT