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UXB:

Actually, I was of that security model in XP, but not in Vista. Vista doesn't interest me so I don't bother learning about it.
Administrator rights, etc, what ever. If someone doesn't know how to use a computer in depth then don't use it. It is the new age GUI lickers that are causing Windows to degenerate into typical consumer junk. 10 years ago working in the I.T industry meant something, now every towl heads in it and reality if you ask 70% of the worlds I.T industry a moderate question about computers they won't know it. Talk to them about Proboard or Remote Access in an old school context, and they will think BBS in referfence to Be Back Soon LOL!


JustBringIt69:

"Or is it your use of the English language " k thx mwa", what a joke."

LOL, YES! That's exactly right, it was a joke... Obviously you where too slow to get it.

"You sir have just been awarded the idiot trophy of the day, thank you and have a nice day, hahaha."

Sir? LoL, you should really stop watching thoughs African homeboy movies.

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Look, bottem line is this. Bungie AKA Microsoft said Halo 2 Vista is gonna be Vista only as its utilizing Vista "technology".

Halo 2 Vista uses DirectX9 - DirectX9 works in XP, so can't be graphics. OK, so Live what ever is not in XP, you really think Microsoft couldn't make it work in XP? I bet you they could make it work in MS-DOS 6. People need to stop thinking prettier graphics = more advanced OS. Behind GUI its just code and protocol, these can all be implemented into ANYTHING, its just a language!
Bungie AKA Microsoft stressed its going to take advantage of Vista. This was not the case, Halo 2 Vista actually took the power of the XP, and ran better.
Blind love seems to be in the way of a few MS-Ass Kissers. They probably don't want to acknowledge Bungie is no longer Bungie, and Microsoft don't give a -blam!- about people, only money.
Everything done to Halo 2 Vista has been done contrary of Bungie's delusional claims. Bungie AKA Microsoft tried to get smart to the gamers, the gamers liberated and -blam!-ed Microsoft at their own game. That is all.

[Edited on 06.28.2007 6:49 AM PDT]

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You know that every one seems to be repeating themselves on this subject, so instead of posting new posts -blam!-ing about what someone just said, let this die.

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I hope this does work as advertised, I am tired of having almost noone online to play against.

  • 06.28.2007 9:19 AM PDT
Subject: H2V working on XP?

Please Bungie, redeem yourself w/ Reach.
Halo 2 and 3 both stink out loud.
In the immortal words of Mr Horse: Halo 2? No sir, didn't like it.

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Posted by: telengard
Dude, the OP is posting useful information I haven't seen here yet. You need to take your ritalin or something. Oh, and if you are sick of any particular type of post I have a useful suggestion for you. I know, this could be tough.... DON'T click on it. That should help.
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Try reading the rest of the thread.


Try following your own advice. You jumped all over the OP. Try reading before responding (and dispensing advice you can't even follow)...

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Posted by: telengard
Try following your own advice. You jumped all over the OP. Try reading before responding (and dispensing advice you can't even follow)...
~telengard

How about you just let it drop? Yes, I flamed the OP, but I apologized to him to, so before you open your mouth again, get the whole story.

[Edited on 06.28.2007 10:35 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Kolusion
Actually, I was of that security model in XP, but not in Vista. Vista doesn't interest me so I don't bother learning about it.
Administrator rights, etc, what ever.
<LOL> With this single admission your potential career in IT has just gone out the window . Can you say "would you like fries with that?" I now understand your depth of expertiese in this matter.

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Ah, this thread is still around. I have been gone for several days and figured it would have been long gone.

So much FUD to respond to, so little time to do so. All I'll say is UXB is pretty much dead accurate in every one of his posts.

For the record, defeating the Vista-only limitation of the installer is a violation of section 6 of the H2V and Shadowrun EULA. Look it up. It says you will not bypass the technical limitations of the software. Welllllllllll.. forcing it to require Vista is a limitation. And if Microsoft plans on keeping any integrity regarding their Live services, they will patch both games to prevent them from running on XP. Use these mods at your own risk, but don't come complaining when they get patched and you can't play anymore unless you want a nice big bold "I told you so".

But enough of this. Everyone is so "pissed off" about H2V and Shadowrun being put on Vista only when people should be pissed about the fact that DX10 is Vista only. People in this thread saying XP will be around for a long time to come? Not if you want to play future PC games it won't be. Once things start using DX10, your complaints about H2V and Shadowrun being Vista only will be the TIP of the iceberg.

So, yeah, XP will still be around for some time to come. In homes of folks still using older computers or in businesses that can't afford or are too leery to upgrade. But if you ever want to play a game that requires DX10, enjoy getting Vista. And yes, UXB is completely right. XP will cease to be manufactured on 01/2008 and support (patches, updates, service packs) will no longer be made come 01/2009.

Posted by: SPARTACVS
All I know is that for me in Vista, Halo 2 ran about 20-30fps at 1024x768 on Low with no AA. On XP, it runs at about 30-45fps at 1280x720 on Medium with 2xAA, not to mention LOADS IN A QUARTER OF THE TIME ON AN INCREASED DETAIL LEVEL.


Aww, poor baby. Do you want a cookie because Vista takes more system resources?
I get a kick out of every person who -blam!-es about Vista being more of a resource hog than XP because people made the exact same complaints about XP when it came out, 2K when it came out and 98 when it came out. Sorry your computer sucks too much to run Vista and play H2V. But that doesn't give you the right, implied or otherwise, to defeat the programmed limitation of the game to run it on XP.

For the record, I'm running Vista Ultimate Edition on a Pentium E6700 with 3 GB of Crucial Ballistix RAM on a eVGA GeForce 7900GS/512MB PCIe card and I've had to manually turn vsync on because on medium at 1280x1024 with 4xAA, I was getting an average of 160 FPS. Doesn't sound like a Vista problem to me, sounds like someone's not up to date on their hardware and unrealistically expects a recent release to work flawlessly.

[Edited on 06.28.2007 2:50 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Captiosus
Ah, this thread is still around. I have been gone for several days and figured it would have been long gone.

So much FUD to respond to, so little time to do so. All I'll say is UXB is pretty much dead accurate in every one of his posts.

For the record, defeating the Vista-only limitation of the installer is a violation of section 6 of the H2V and Shadowrun EULA. Look it up. It says you will not bypass the technical limitations of the software. Welllllllllll.. forcing it to require Vista is a limitation. And if Microsoft plans on keeping any integrity regarding their Live services, they will patch both games to prevent them from running on XP. Use these mods at your own risk, but don't come complaining when they get patched and you can't play anymore unless you want a nice big bold "I told you so".

But enough of this. Everyone is so "pissed off" about H2V and Shadowrun being put on Vista only when people should be pissed about the fact that DX10 is Vista only. People in this thread saying XP will be around for a long time to come? Not if you want to play future PC games it won't be. Once things start using DX10, your complaints about H2V and Shadowrun being Vista only will be the TIP of the iceberg.

So, yeah, XP will still be around for some time to come. In homes of folks still using older computers or in businesses that can't afford or are too leery to upgrade. But if you ever want to play a game that requires DX10, enjoy getting Vista. And yes, UXB is completely right. XP will cease to be manufactured on 01/2008 and support (patches, updates, service packs) will no longer be made come 01/2009.

Posted by: SPARTACVS
All I know is that for me in Vista, Halo 2 ran about 20-30fps at 1024x768 on Low with no AA. On XP, it runs at about 30-45fps at 1280x720 on Medium with 2xAA, not to mention LOADS IN A QUARTER OF THE TIME ON AN INCREASED DETAIL LEVEL.


Aww, poor baby. Do you want a cookie because Vista takes more system resources?
I get a kick out of every person who -blam!-es about Vista being more of a resource hog than XP because people made the exact same complaints about XP when it came out, 2K when it came out and 98 when it came out. Sorry your computer sucks too much to run Vista and play H2V. But that doesn't give you the right, implied or otherwise, to defeat the programmed limitation of the game to run it on XP.

For the record, I'm running Vista Ultimate Edition on a Pentium E6700 with 3 GB of Crucial Ballistix RAM on a eVGA GeForce 7900GS/512MB PCIe card and I've had to manually turn vsync on because on medium at 1280x1024 with 4xAA, I was getting an average of 160 FPS. Doesn't sound like a Vista problem to me, sounds like someone's not up to date on their hardware and unrealistically expects a recent release to work flawlessly.



I think your missing the bigger picture here pal. While I do agree with most of what you said, I also find you wrong. These people have every right to be angry at Microsoft. Also, don't degrade others items and boasting yours just because there not as good as yours, even if they complain with/about it. It does not look good for ones character.

Look, the big picture of it all is people are low on money these days. You can thank the government and its new radical ideas like the Rumsfeld Doctrine for that. More people are unemployed, and more people are concerned about losing there jobs because of high competition, not to mention invasion of the immigrates willing to work cheaper. But judging by your competence, you most likely already know this.

Vista can cost anywhere from 150-500 dollars, and now a days thats just to much for the blow joe to spend. Remember back when OS's costed 99-200 dollars? You had a good OS, that was innovative, and it was only 100 bucks-200.

Now a days OS's are not as innovative, and yes, I am going to say that Vista is not that innovative. My proof lies with all the other OS's that are out there, like Tiger, Linix, etc. MS took many of those features including styles or looks, and put it in there product, then calling it innovative. If you want more proof, just look it up on youtube.com for for more information. I know Vista has some really good features, but it is not as good as it is touted to be. It is also way over priced, and most people can not get the XP upgrade because they need the XP CD if I remember correctly to upgrade, and most PC packages come with recovery disks.

Also, this time around it is not just the OS that needs to be added in for the price. Hardware is a must to if anyone wants to get anything off the ground with Vista. This can be anywhere from 400-1000 dollars more, on top of that 150-500 dollar OS. Sorry, but Vista is not worth it, and people have every right to get angry at MS when they claim that You could never run Halo 2 well on XP, or as efficantly vrs Vista. On both accounts, yes we take note that Vista demands more on CPU, but on both counts, MS lied. Plus on top of all of this, they want us to shell out a lot of money to pay for these lies.

I challenge you to go down to your local Social Security Center and see all the people in there. Many are crazy, but nice crazy. When I went down there, it changed my life. I heard a man begging and crying because he had to borrow money because Social Security at first would not cover some things for him. His wife had a heart attack, and he had to pay a but load of Medical bills. He eventually went into debt, and started borrowing money so he could get everything to work. Fancy having to -blam!- a old man of is money because we in America can not even have a decent medical coverage. Thats the number one way Americans go into debt in fact.

I think that it would do your character some good if you went down there and see some of the people who are born poor and try to live it through. There are more of them then you think, but America does a good job of hiding it. Some of these people might be on this board right now, saving up 50 dollars just so they can buy there fav. game halo 2 on the PC. They prob. saved up for months for it, and where to cheep to get it on the console. Now they can play with it on XP, on one of there cheep computers, and in the mean time simply say they are angry that another person is trying to rob them of the little bit of money they have, to enjoy some of the things we as Americans take for granted.

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Posted by: Captiosus
Ah, this thread is still around. I have been gone for several days and figured it would have been long gone.

So much FUD to respond to, so little time to do so. All I'll say is UXB is pretty much dead accurate in every one of his posts.

For the record, defeating the Vista-only limitation of the installer is a violation of section 6 of the H2V and Shadowrun EULA. Look it up. It says you will not bypass the technical limitations of the software. Welllllllllll.. forcing it to require Vista is a limitation. And if Microsoft plans on keeping any integrity regarding their Live services, they will patch both games to prevent them from running on XP. Use these mods at your own risk, but don't come complaining when they get patched and you can't play anymore unless you want a nice big bold "I told you so".

But enough of this. Everyone is so "pissed off" about H2V and Shadowrun being put on Vista only when people should be pissed about the fact that DX10 is Vista only. People in this thread saying XP will be around for a long time to come? Not if you want to play future PC games it won't be. Once things start using DX10, your complaints about H2V and Shadowrun being Vista only will be the TIP of the iceberg.

So, yeah, XP will still be around for some time to come. In homes of folks still using older computers or in businesses that can't afford or are too leery to upgrade. But if you ever want to play a game that requires DX10, enjoy getting Vista. And yes, UXB is completely right. XP will cease to be manufactured on 01/2008 and support (patches, updates, service packs) will no longer be made come 01/2009.

Posted by: SPARTACVS
All I know is that for me in Vista, Halo 2 ran about 20-30fps at 1024x768 on Low with no AA. On XP, it runs at about 30-45fps at 1280x720 on Medium with 2xAA, not to mention LOADS IN A QUARTER OF THE TIME ON AN INCREASED DETAIL LEVEL.


Aww, poor baby. Do you want a cookie because Vista takes more system resources?
I get a kick out of every person who -blam!-es about Vista being more of a resource hog than XP because people made the exact same complaints about XP when it came out, 2K when it came out and 98 when it came out. Sorry your computer sucks too much to run Vista and play H2V. But that doesn't give you the right, implied or otherwise, to defeat the programmed limitation of the game to run it on XP.

For the record, I'm running Vista Ultimate Edition on a Pentium E6700 with 3 GB of Crucial Ballistix RAM on a eVGA GeForce 7900GS/512MB PCIe card and I've had to manually turn vsync on because on medium at 1280x1024 with 4xAA, I was getting an average of 160 FPS. Doesn't sound like a Vista problem to me, sounds like someone's not up to date on their hardware and unrealistically expects a recent release to work flawlessly.



I think your missing the bigger picture here pal. While I do agree with most of what you said, I also find you wrong. These people have every right to be angry at Microsoft. Also, don't degrade others items and boasting yours just because there not as good as yours, even if they complain with/about it. It does not look good for ones character.

Look, the big picture of it all is people are low on money these days. You can thank the government and its new radical ideas like the Rumsfeld Doctrine for that. More people are unemployed, and more people are concerned about losing there jobs because of high competition, not to mention invasion of the immigrates willing to work cheaper. But judging by your competence, you most likely already know this.

Vista can cost anywhere from 150-500 dollars, and now a days thats just to much for the blow joe to spend. Remember back when OS's costed 99-200 dollars? You had a good OS, that was innovative, and it was only 100 bucks-200.

Now a days OS's are not as innovative, and yes, I am going to say that Vista is not that innovative. My proof lies with all the other OS's that are out there, like Tiger, Linix, etc. MS took many of those features including styles or looks, and put it in there product, then calling it innovative. If you want more proof, just look it up on youtube.com for for more information. I know Vista has some really good features, but it is not as good as it is touted to be. It is also way over priced, and most people can not get the XP upgrade because they need the XP CD if I remember correctly to upgrade, and most PC packages come with recovery disks.

Also, this time around it is not just the OS that needs to be added in for the price. Hardware is a must to if anyone wants to get anything off the ground with Vista. This can be anywhere from 400-1000 dollars more, on top of that 150-500 dollar OS. Sorry, but Vista is not worth it, and people have every right to get angry at MS when they claim that You could never run Halo 2 well on XP, or as efficantly vrs Vista. On both accounts, yes we take note that Vista demands more on CPU, but on both counts, MS lied. Plus on top of all of this, they want us to shell out a lot of money to pay for these lies.

I challenge you to go down to your local Social Security Center and see all the people in there. Many are crazy, but nice crazy. When I went down there, it changed my life. I heard a man begging and crying because he had to borrow money because Social Security at first would not cover some things for him. His wife had a heart attack, and he had to pay a but load of Medical bills. He eventually went into debt, and started borrowing money so he could get everything to work. Fancy having to -blam!- a old man of is money because we in America can not even have a decent medical coverage. Thats the number one way Americans go into debt in fact.

I think that it would do your character some good if you went down there and see some of the people who are born poor and try to live it through. There are more of them then you think, but America does a good job of hiding it. Some of these people might be on this board right now, saving up 50 dollars just so they can buy there fav. game halo 2 on the PC. They prob. saved up for months for it, and where to cheep to get it on the console. Now they can play with it on XP, on one of there cheep computers, and in the mean time simply say they are angry that another person is trying to rob them of the little bit of money they have, to enjoy some of the things we as Americans take for granted.

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Good post.

  • 06.28.2007 5:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Captiosus
For the record, defeating the Vista-only limitation of the installer is a violation of section 6 of the H2V and Shadowrun EULA. Look it up
I wasn’t even going to bring that subject up. The concept of EULA’s and gamers is never a good mix. Even copyright lawyers have problems interpreting them. Besides everyone knows you do not purchase and own software you just license it under the terms of the End User License Agreement (EULA), everyone but gamers that is <laugh>.

Posted by: Aktins_Diet
Look, the big picture of it all is people are low on money these days.
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Vista can cost anywhere from 150-500 dollars, and now a days thats just to much for the blow joe to spend. Remember back when OS's costed 99-200 dollars?
I also remember when gas was 28 cents a gallon, sue me I’m old. Regardless, there is no inalienable right for people to play computer games. It costs what it costs. If your situation is such that you can’t afford it, and excuse me for being blunt, then you do without. You have no inalienable right to it. Besides, $190.00 for an OS is not much compared to the life of the product. XP is 9 year old technology. You will probably have Vista for at least 5 years that’s $38.00 a year or 11 cents a day.

Posted by: Aktins_Diet
Sorry, but Vista is not worth it, and people have every right to get angry at MS when they claim that You could never run Halo 2 well on XP, or as efficantly vrs Vista.
Bungie and Microsoft said that Halo 2 was being developed for Vista and not for XP. How did they lie? They developed it for Vista and not for XP. It requires an unsupported third party hacked emulation for it to run on XP in some form. People who are mad are upset because they can not reconcile what they percieved was being said with what was actually said. They made assumptions based on misconceptions and now faced with he reality of the situation instead of being upset with themselves are venting that inner frustration on Microsoft. (Spooky huh?) Either that or they are just to darnn cheap and rather spend it at MacDonalds or on designer sneakers or concert Tee shirts.

Posted by: Aktins_Diet
His wife had a heart attack, and he had to pay a but load of Medical bills. He eventually went into debt, and started borrowing money so he could get everything to work. Fancy having to -blam!- a old man of is money because we in America can not even have a decent medical coverage. Thats the number one way Americans go into debt in fact.

Everyone has a sob story and I feel for them, I have mine, and I am acutely familiar with the cost of uninsured medical care to the tune of six figures, but that has absolutely nothing to do with this subject. Not only is it not part of the picture it’s not part of the “big picture.”

XP is 9 year old technology and the best that I can tell is that most of the people complaining have never known anything else. They grew up with XP, most had it given to them buy their parents, and now they are resistant to 1) change and 2) spending their own money. With the increase in technological innovation and the dropping costs of hardware and software there is no excuse for this level of complaints. If you don’t have the money then I am sorry but Halo 2 is not a minimum requirement for the standard of living. It should not even be a concern for you much less something to complain about.

As I have said in other posts I can find many other logical reasons to complain about Microsoft, and I do - often, but this is not one of them. Vista is a better operating system than XP. Its cost is minimal compared to the long term savings in IT support and I cannot blame MS for adopting a Vista only policy. After all it is what they are betting their business on in the coming years.

  • 06.28.2007 7:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: UXB
They grew up with XP, most had it given to them buy their parents, and now they are resistant to 1) change and 2) spending their own money.
Good point UXB, or someone has been watching to much Battlestar Galactica...

[Edited on 06.28.2007 8:04 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2007 8:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Captiosus
Posted by: SPARTACVS
All I know is that for me in Vista, Halo 2 ran about 20-30fps at 1024x768 on Low with no AA. On XP, it runs at about 30-45fps at 1280x720 on Medium with 2xAA, not to mention LOADS IN A QUARTER OF THE TIME ON AN INCREASED DETAIL LEVEL.


Aww, poor baby. Do you want a cookie because Vista takes more system resources?
I get a kick out of every person who -blam!-es about Vista being more of a resource hog than XP because people made the exact same complaints about XP when it came out, 2K when it came out and 98 when it came out. Sorry your computer sucks too much to run Vista and play H2V. But that doesn't give you the right, implied or otherwise, to defeat the programmed limitation of the game to run it on XP.

No, I don't want a ****ing cookie, ***hole. I WANT TO HAVE A GOOD EXPERIENCE PLAYING THE GAME I PAID FOR. Microsoft artificially damaged my experience with the game by making it exclusive to an OS that uses more resources.

Are you saying that if you were me you'd rather play the game with xbox-level models and textures, in crappy resolution with jaggies all over the place at a sub-30 framerate, instead of vastly improved details on medium, with antialiasing, in 720p, at 45fps?

When I just beat the game for second time, on XP (i beat it on legendary on Vista with my controller), I was walking around New Mombasa, admiring the details on the buildings, enjoying the buttery framerate, using my keyboard mouse with no mouse lag instead of a 360 pad, thinking to myself "This is the experience I should've had the FIRST time I played Halo 2 PC". It was like I was playing Halo 2 the way I play Half Life 2, not like on Vista which was the Xbox version controller included up-resed to 1024x768 with achievements.

[Edited on 06.28.2007 8:26 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2007 8:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: SPARTACVS
No, I don't want a ****ing cookie, ***hole. I WANT TO HAVE A GOOD EXPERIENCE PLAYING THE GAME I PAID FOR. Microsoft artificially damaged my experience with the game by making it exclusive to an OS that uses more resources.

Are you saying that if you were me you'd rather play the game with xbox-level models and textures, in crappy resolution with jaggies all over the place at a sub-30 framerate, instead of vastly improved details on medium, with antialiasing, in 720p, at 45fps?

Ok, wait. Are you saying that you bought Halo 2 Vista, when you didn't have Vista? Or are you saying that your video card sucks, because Vista requires more than it can handle plus the game? Either way, it is your fault.

  • 06.28.2007 8:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: SPARTACVS
No, I don't want a ****ing cookie, ***hole. I WANT TO HAVE A GOOD EXPERIENCE PLAYING THE GAME I PAID FOR. Microsoft artificially damaged my experience with the game by making it exclusive to an OS that uses more resources.

Are you saying that if you were me you'd rather play the game with xbox-level models and textures, in crappy resolution with jaggies all over the place at a sub-30 framerate, instead of vastly improved details on medium, with antialiasing, in 720p, at 45fps?

Ok, wait. Are you saying that you bought Halo 2 Vista, when you didn't have Vista? Or are you saying that your video card sucks, because Vista requires more than it can handle plus the game? Either way, it is your fault.

No, I have Vista (it's on a second hard drive). It's a great OS with great productivity features, and everything runs fine at the desktop level with 1gb of RAM, but to play games on Vista the exact way you do on XP, you pretty much need 2 gigs, not 1. I also bought Halo 2 Vista, and had a fun time playing it, it was just insulting how bad the game played on my system. If you're saying it's my fault I had a bad experience, let's look at Microsoft's lame computer rating tool- Halo 2 needs a 3.0, recommends a 5.0 and my computer is a 4.2. Sure looks like it was my fault I expected it to run half decent. /sarcasm



It really doesn't matter now cause I'm having a hell of a great time playing Halo 2 now (on XP). Simply put, It plays the way I expected it to to have a great time on Vista.

[Edited on 06.28.2007 8:33 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2007 8:30 PM PDT

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And I asume you know, atleast half as much as you act like you know about video cards, correct?

  • 06.28.2007 8:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
And I asume you know, atleast half as much as you act like you know about video cards, correct?

That's why I called Vista's system rating tool lame, it's a joke. It gives you an arbitrary number to try and tell you how good your computer is, when it doesn't come close to highlighting a system's components in a meaningful way. How am I "acting" like I know alot about video cards?

-I use FRAPS, I know my framerate in Halo 2 on Vista, and on XP
-I know what Video settings in Halo 2 I chose for each
-Therefore I know that XP runs the game alot better

[Edited on 06.28.2007 8:37 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2007 8:36 PM PDT

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Wait wait wait, are you telling me that I don't know anything about video cards because the performance jump I talked about isn't realistic?!

1. Try it for yourself
2. I'll take screenshots and benchmarks if you don't believe me.

  • 06.28.2007 8:43 PM PDT

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Well, you keep on bringing up numbers, and I will just assume they are infact your own benchmarks for what the game gets on your pc. So, it would stand to reason that if you know the numbers you get with your video card, then you would know what suitability it has in your pc. If it gives you a number based on your computers ability to run Vista, it is doing it by compairing your specs and such with tested ones, and giving you a resonable average, to tell how well it will do at it's best, when running vista. Not when running vista with a game that is a graphics whore. If it gets a low number in that test, then odds are it won't run a game very well on that config.

[Edited on 06.28.2007 8:44 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2007 8:43 PM PDT

Tru7h and Reconciliation

Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Well, you keep on bringing up numbers, and I will just assume they are infact your own benchmarks for what the game gets on your pc. So, it would stand to reason that if you know the numbers you get with your video card, then you would know what suitability it has in your pc. If it gives you a number based on your computers ability to run Vista, it is doing it by compairing your specs and such with tested ones, and giving you a resonable average, to tell how well it will do at it's best, when running vista. Not when running vista with a game that is a graphics whore. If it gets a low number in that test, then odds are it won't run a game very well on that config.


Bottom line is that regardless of how any other game plays, Halo 2 runs better (also at higher settings) on XP than it does on Vista. That is all I care about- yeah sure I can upgrade my system, but that doesn't mean that I don't want to try and get a game running good without spending more money. Turns out, I DID get it to run very good.

Vista runs games worse than XP, because more RAM and cpu cycles are being used at the system level, not being left for the game to use. However, Vista is a better OS to use for everything besides games for many reasons (desktop search, thumbnails, bread crumb explorer navigation, flip 3d, etc.), plus it just looks better. For this reason, I use Vista for work/video/music/web browsing. Because of the condition of Vista in regards to games, when I want to play them, I shut down and boot back up in XP.

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UXB:

LoL, no idiot you ASSUME.. You don't know who I am or what I own. thx mwa


Captiosus:

Many gaming company's won't be building for DirectX10 hardcore for a while, they are aware most of their market use XP. E.g Unreal 3; DirectX 10 compliant, but DirectX9 required. :)


Aktins_Diet:

Nothing says HE bought the parts, chances are it was his folks.
And yeah, your right. The United States of America has a pathetic medical system. In most western countrys you just go down to the hospital and they fix you up free. Some times theres a wait of like 2-4 hours, but hey, you are given the medical attention required.

UXB:

Actually, you do purchase it, you must purchase it before you can see the EULA. Microsoft want you to think your licencing it, but in reality you are infact buying it. Say you do not agree to this so called licence, then what did you pay for in the first place? Licence agreements don't mean -blam!- after you've paid and consumed the product. Check on the receipt of authorized Microsoft dealers, "Please keep this receipt as proof of purchase" k thx mwa MS!

You claim its a better O/S than XP. Answer this, regardless of the pretty graphics and bull sht novelty featurs, what does Vista do XP doesn't?


You all need to stop talking about Windows purchase, 95% of you who didn't have there computer bought in a package from some mainstream retail store, run pirated copys so STFU mwa!

I am sure Halo 2 Vista runs better on Vista, but when you have the available power and resources after Vista has utilized what it needs, and Microsoft KNEW almost NO ONE had and or probably still has that power, so making that claim at the time they did is a sorta misleading claim of Bungie AKA Microsoft that Halo 2 Vista is taking the power of Vista to give its users a better experience. LoL, I bet you while playing it at its recommended hardware specs it still runs shter than that on the contrary of someone playing it with the minimum specs on XP LoL!

Microsoft don't lie, each version of Windows does load up faster than its predecesor... Providing your computer can keep up with the OS demands, which is whats considered a super computer at the times of the OS's life cycle, so again, mor Microsoft misleads.

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  • 06.29.2007 4:05 AM PDT
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I was crushed that halo 2 would not be for the XP, and then I was mad because it is a marketing ploy to get us to buy Vista. I am not buying it until a year or so from now, when all the bugs are worked out.


But now, I read the forums. Hackers made Halo 2 work for Xp, I expected this would happen within a few weeks, no suprises. But it works BETTER than on vista!? WTF? Thats AWSOME.

I am laughing so hard right now.

Some teenagers with spare time made a better port than they did. Wow.

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Yes, but you must remember they didn't the port of Halo 2 Vista would have started way before any stable build of Vista existed, so obviously they ran it under XP, then release it as 'Vista only' to try and Jew the community.

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  • 06.29.2007 6:20 AM PDT
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Good point.

But dont make fun of Jews. Thats not very nice.


Make fun of noobs. Thats funny!

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  • 06.29.2007 6:23 AM PDT
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Atkins_Diet, please never highlight your entire post in bold again. We can see it just fine without the bold text.

  • 06.29.2007 7:05 AM PDT
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The Halo CE Chronicles http://hcec.halomaps.org

Posted by: Kolusion
LoL, no idiot you ASSUME.. You don't know who I am or what I own.

Posted by: Kolusion
Actually, you do purchase it, you must purchase it before you can see the EULA. Microsoft want you to think your licencing it, but in reality you are infact buying it.
The depths of your misunderstanding is becoming more apparent as you type. If you don’t understand the difference between licensing and full ownership they how can you anyone take your arguments seriously. Simply put, you own the PC the software runs on. You license the software. The developer of the software, in this case Microsoft, has the right to terminate your license and use of the software if you violate the license agreement. Dell can not re-possess your PC once you paid for it.
Posted by: Kolusion
Say you do not agree to this so called licence, then what did you pay for in the first place?
If you don’t agree with the license then return the software unopened and you get your money back.
Posted by: Kolusion
Licence agreements don't mean -blam!- after you've paid and consumed the product.
Once you use the product you have agreed to the license terms. If you don't agree to the license terms you have no right to use the software. You don’t need a law degree to understand this. All you need is to be able to read.
Posted by: Kolusion
You claim its a better O/S than XP. Answer this, regardless of the pretty graphics and bull sht novelty featurs, what does Vista do XP doesn't?
I have already outlined in simple terms the major change in the security context that users and process run under in my previous post. There are numerous other features for data security available in Vista not available in XP such as Network Access Protection which can be enabled to prevent a non-compliant PC from connecting and accessing data on your private or corporate network. Services have been moved from the LocalSystem account to a lesser privileged account such as LocalService or NetworkService, thereby restricting rogue services from damaging the file and registry system, for mobile users the now built in BitLocker Drive Encryption technology helps secure sensitive data from theft, the Group Policy management process centralizes desktop management, changes in the roaming profiles and the Software Restriction Policies make it easier to support. Thise are just a few of the improvements.

The problem with XP was that it was to damn insecure and once you locked it down to secure it your users had no controls. Through the UAC and the virtualization of access calls to the file and registry system Vista allows users to make required changes, install programs and control their computer without jeopardizing the entire network or damaging the underlying system services. However you have already stated that you do not understand the security model of Vista and when you said "I was of that security model in XP" it showed that you are do not have a true grasp of how XP works to appreciate the comparison. I am sorry if I sound dismissive, but your statements indicate a lack of true understanding of how the OS's operate.

By the way: idiocy is normally defined as "subnormal intellectual functioning" one would be best be sure it does not apply to oneself before offering it as a retort.

  • 06.29.2007 10:30 AM PDT