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  • 06.29.2007 12:07 PM PDT

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Why do you care so damn much?

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What part of Vista only do you not understand?

If you used the time you spend on this forum arguing, on something like working, you would have the money by now to upgrade to Vista!

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Posted by: UXB
Posted by: Captiosus
For the record, defeating the Vista-only limitation of the installer is a violation of section 6 of the H2V and Shadowrun EULA. Look it up
I wasn’t even going to bring that subject up. The concept of EULA’s and gamers is never a good mix. Even copyright lawyers have problems interpreting them. Besides everyone knows you do not purchase and own software you just license it under the terms of the End User License Agreement (EULA), everyone but gamers that is <laugh>.

Posted by: Aktins_Diet
Look, the big picture of it all is people are low on money these days.
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Vista can cost anywhere from 150-500 dollars, and now a days thats just to much for the blow joe to spend. Remember back when OS's costed 99-200 dollars?
I also remember when gas was 28 cents a gallon, sue me I’m old. Regardless, there is no inalienable right for people to play computer games. It costs what it costs. If your situation is such that you can’t afford it, and excuse me for being blunt, then you do without. You have no inalienable right to it. Besides, $190.00 for an OS is not much compared to the life of the product. XP is 9 year old technology. You will probably have Vista for at least 5 years that’s $38.00 a year or 11 cents a day.

Posted by: Aktins_Diet
Sorry, but Vista is not worth it, and people have every right to get angry at MS when they claim that You could never run Halo 2 well on XP, or as efficantly vrs Vista.
Bungie and Microsoft said that Halo 2 was being developed for Vista and not for XP. How did they lie? They developed it for Vista and not for XP. It requires an unsupported third party hacked emulation for it to run on XP in some form. People who are mad are upset because they can not reconcile what they percieved was being said with what was actually said. They made assumptions based on misconceptions and now faced with he reality of the situation instead of being upset with themselves are venting that inner frustration on Microsoft. (Spooky huh?) Either that or they are just to darnn cheap and rather spend it at MacDonalds or on designer sneakers or concert Tee shirts.

Posted by: Aktins_Diet
His wife had a heart attack, and he had to pay a but load of Medical bills. He eventually went into debt, and started borrowing money so he could get everything to work. Fancy having to -blam!- a old man of is money because we in America can not even have a decent medical coverage. Thats the number one way Americans go into debt in fact.

Everyone has a sob story and I feel for them, I have mine, and I am acutely familiar with the cost of uninsured medical care to the tune of six figures, but that has absolutely nothing to do with this subject. Not only is it not part of the picture it’s not part of the “big picture.”

XP is 9 year old technology and the best that I can tell is that most of the people complaining have never known anything else. They grew up with XP, most had it given to them buy their parents, and now they are resistant to 1) change and 2) spending their own money. With the increase in technological innovation and the dropping costs of hardware and software there is no excuse for this level of complaints. If you don’t have the money then I am sorry but Halo 2 is not a minimum requirement for the standard of living. It should not even be a concern for you much less something to complain about.

As I have said in other posts I can find many other logical reasons to complain about Microsoft, and I do - often, but this is not one of them. Vista is a better operating system than XP. Its cost is minimal compared to the long term savings in IT support and I cannot blame MS for adopting a Vista only policy. After all it is what they are betting their business on in the coming years.


How did MS lie (not bungie)
1) MS said Halo 2 Could not Run on Windows XP, or the very least, very good.
2) MS said that Halo 2 would run better on Vista, and it was streamlined more for vista.

Both accounts are not true. The 3rd party only proves that MS could get it to work on XP, and very well in fact.

I hate to say it, but I feel you are completely wrong on this my friend.

Everyone has a sob story and I feel for them, I have mine, and I am acutely familiar with the cost of uninsured medical care to the tune of six figures, but that has absolutely nothing to do with this subject. Not only is it not part of the picture it’s not part of the “big picture.”
It is part of the picture because it shows that some people out there are stuck in hard places, and I wanted to show the person that there is something more in the world then Big rig computers and high priced items, and why people are angry at MS for this.

Again, I feel you missed what I was saying.

XP is 9 year old technology and the best that I can tell is that most of the people complaining have never known anything else. They grew up with XP, most had it given to them buy their parents, and now they are resistant to 1) change and 2) spending their [b]own money
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Who said that Everyone had to be 12-18 who complain? Or even worse, know nothing else. The statement you said of "most people" tends me to think that you are very concerned with the word "me" and not with the rest of the world. A lot of people complain who are parents my friend. Vista is to expensive, and the hardware changes are also expensive. Children are in fact, the minority in the general complaints.

With the increase in technological innovation and the dropping costs of hardware and software there is no excuse for this level of complaints. If you don’t have the money then I am sorry but Halo 2 is not a minimum requirement for the standard of living. It should not even be a concern for you much less something to complain about.

Actually, there is room to complain. Microsoft controls most of the market for OS. MS choose to make the price as high as it was, as well as how much vista was going to demand from hardware. Ever used linix? It can have more features, and use less horse power then Vista. The down side is that it is not as pretty. Research it yourself if you do not believe me. Microsoft is clearly targeting the Commercial industry first, and waiting for a trickle down to happen with the average joe. MS is also threatening to stop support with XP very soon, adding the the pressure. And the last sentence is complete tunnel vision. You do not set the standards for what people think my young friend. It sounds like a good thing too, because if what you are thinking is the standard, then we might as well all shut up when we feel that we might be getting suckered by the big guy, and live with the fact some people can get it because there more rich, and thus we should not complain.

As I have said in other posts I can find many other logical reasons to complain about Microsoft, and I do - often, but this is not one of them. Vista is a better operating system than XP. Its cost is minimal compared to the long term savings in IT support and I cannot blame MS for adopting a Vista only policy. After all it is what they are betting their business on in the coming years.

Well there is something I can for the most part agree with you on. I hope you do not take anything I said offensive, but I do intend on trying to educate and open doors for people, as well as express my opinions respectfully, because it is the American thing to do in a free country.
-Aktins Diet


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Or you can get vista for free if you're in college thats how i did it ;)

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Posted by: Master Kim
Atkins_Diet, please never highlight your entire post in bold again. We can see it just fine without the bold text.
Let's just ignore what I said.

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Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: Master Kim
Atkins_Diet, please never highlight your entire post in bold again. We can see it just fine without the bold text.
Let's just ignore what I said.

Ok. I only highlighted because there where a lot of quotes, and I wanted it to be readable. Unfortantly it highlighted everything when I only did it in sections. ;)
-Aktins Diet

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Posted by: Aktins_Diet
Ok. I only highlighted because there where a lot of quotes, and I wanted it to be readable.
Like posting paragraphs of text in this bright, white text is readable?

  • 06.29.2007 6:22 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

You only use the bold feature when you are making a small notice or reminder, not the whole time.

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Adelie:

"But dont make fun of Jews. Thats not very nice."

Why? Their only Jews! Just because your a Jew - don't blame me!


UXB:

You just arn't aware of loopholes in the law system. If your receipt states that the SALE is PROOF OF PURCHASE, then this means you OWN it as you PURCHASED it. Microsoft designated that authorized dealer. That dealer SOLD you as stated on the receipt. What you bought is now yours, do what you want with it.

"If you don’t agree with the license then return the software unopened and you get your money back."

Unopenned? This meaningless licence is inside the SEALED package, that is useally purchased. No one makes licence agreements prior paying. Once its paid, you have legaly consumed the product - its yours. So, you infact do have the right to use it, as its yours.

"I have already outlined in simple terms the major change in the security context that users and process run under in my previous post."

LoL, thats not a major change, elements have just been split up on different levels.
For your Network Access Protection; LOL that concepts been out for years, I have seen the concept running on Windows 2000 in PC-cillin Internet Security 2005. That feature being in Vista is nothing new or special, anyone running a wireless device inside a hardware firewall is an amatuer anyway.
You talk about rouge services. If you knew what you where doing in XP then rogue services wouldn't be running!
"BitLocker Drive Encryption technology" LoL, God you are seriously a sucker. Its just another encryption system with different protocols and with an updated quadrorandomizing algorythm parser.

"The problem with XP was that it was to damn insecure and once you locked it down to secure it your users had no controls."

This doesn't make it any different than Vista, it is only a matter of time before Vista's so called secure state becomes unsecure, this is not a feature or advantage.
Running Windows XP secure can be achieved with flexibility present, providing you know what your doing.
HAHAHA, you stupid new age amatuer thinking you are taking on the computer world with soaring victory, you make me laugh! When I asked you to tell me what Vista can do XP can't I was expecting you to discuss something a little more technical than your file encryptions and registry LoL. I am sure I knew about everything you talked about before you where aware they existed.

XworstpirateevaX:

"If you used the time you spend on this forum arguing, on something like working, you would have the money by now to upgrade to Vista!"

I have the money to buy Vista Ultimate retail. Money is not the reason as to why I am not going to get Vista. Perhaps you are someone that went out and bought Vista for the sake of Halo 2 Vista, and now you see it on XP your in denile that you got played by Microsoft. ;)

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*All of the above is the opinion of the user: WartHogRacerman3. Complaints can be forwarded to his secretary.

I own an HDTV [12/30/07]

Maybe people should just buy Halo 2 and an X-box 1 ($108) , instead of vista ($200+)? BTW Windows 98 owns Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 95 NT, 2000, XP and Vista!

[Edited on 06.30.2007 8:48 AM PDT]

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I don't understand why some of you cannot respect the people who does not wish to be early adopters of Vista.
There's a number of completely valid reasons for choosing to hold off the inevitable upgrade.
For instance, I have relatively expensive legacy software and hardware, which isn't gonna work on Vista.
So the upgrade cost for me isn't merely that of the Vista purchase.
Another valid reason is that there's an absence of matured drivers for Vista.
Personally, the enhanced security argument means little to me, I've been using MS operating systems since the DOS days and I've only ever had one virus on my system, which was my own fault, of course.
If you know what you're doing, you're not gonna get hit. If you don't, then the increased security is of course a blessing.
DX10 is ultimately what will swing me over but right now DX10 holds no advantage over DX9 in terms of games available.
The BitLocker drive encryption isn't a compelling reason, we've had TrueCrypt for years (which is free, I might add).
I really don't get the general consensus that Vista is some kind of revolution, looking at the Windows SDK it's obvious that most of the OS core is the same as last iteration.
None the less, once XP reaches it's end of life, in terms of support, most users will have to move onto another platform.

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Posted by: xandros07
I don't understand why some of you cannot respect the people who does not wish to be early adopters of Vista.
There's a number of completely valid reasons for choosing to hold off the inevitable upgrade.
For instance, I have relatively expensive legacy software and hardware, which isn't gonna work on Vista.
So the upgrade cost for me isn't merely that of the Vista purchase.
Another valid reason is that there's an absence of matured drivers for Vista.
Personally, the enhanced security argument means little to me, I've been using MS operating systems since the DOS days and I've only ever had one virus on my system, which was my own fault, of course.
If you know what you're doing, you're not gonna get hit. If you don't, then the increased security is of course a blessing.
DX10 is ultimately what will swing me over but right now DX10 holds no advantage over DX9 in terms of games available.
The BitLocker drive encryption isn't a compelling reason, we've had TrueCrypt for years (which is free, I might add).
I really don't get the general consensus that Vista is some kind of revolution, looking at the Windows SDK it's obvious that most of the OS core is the same as last iteration.
None the less, once XP reaches it's end of life, in terms of support, most users will have to move onto another platform.


I agree. I think I can answer that question of yours as to why people cannot respect the people who do not wish to be early adopters of Vista.

Its because they live in there own bubble, and all they think about is "me." When provided the concept that there is another world out there and that some people are not on the same level as they are, there mind takes this as a threat to there secure bubble held by there conscious, and thus find ways to justify why that person deserves there situation, and thus maintaining there spoiled bubble of material, personal feeling, and items, and having there conscious or state of mind not being challenged by the harshness of reality that the world is not what they think it is, and it hardly caters to them, or anyone else. I find that that it is the only problem with capitalism; and even that can be explained by the simple anomaly of character being raised, or the lack of moral and proper education as that person was being brought up. In retrospect, an -blam!- who is inconsiderate.

-Aktins Diet
(sorry for run on sentences, but I can not think of where to put a bloody period! I am horrible at English, but love writing. Oxymoron perhaps I am? Quite so I would say.)

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I'm going to cross post two things.

The first is what I wrote regarding this exact same patch for Shadowrun at the Shadowrun forums:
The reason I'm so against this hack isn't because it allows people to have access to the game outside of Vista. I've heard a lot of people claim I'm just "jealous" they can run Halo 2 and Shadowrun on XP while I sunk the money into Vista. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm bought Vista because I wanted it. Being able to play these games... well, to be honest, I didn't even know they were going to be Vista "exclusive" until after I had my OEM Vista Ultimate disk.

No, the reason I'm against this hack is because it's one step closer to making cross-platform games nothing but rampant cheating. So the OS limitation has been hacked. Next I guess it's only a matter of time before we see underground PC "hacks" for Shadowrun and H2Vista which, like MOHAA had back in the day, turn all of your opponent models bright pink so you can see them from just about any point on the map. Wallhacks, Aimbots, Texture Hacks.. oh my!

Sigh. If Microsoft wants to retain their integrity regarding "anti-cheating" and "anti-modding" on Live, they need to clamp down on this hack before it's too late.


Maybe that'll give you some insight as to why I'm opposed to this "patch".

Besides the fact that it opens the doors to rampant cheating, the plain, simple truth is, if you don't want to play a game that requires an Operating System you choose not to run, then you have no right to use illegally modified files to run it on an unsupported platform. If you see that as a lack of respect, I apologize, but maybe it is. I can't say I respect people who see a rule or requirement and decide it doesn't apply to them because they don't like said requirement (and I'm not just talking about video games).

Tell me, who really is the person living in their own bubble? The person who has Vista and runs the games as they were designed or the people who decide that they don't want to buy Vista so they'll wait until some hack comes out to run the games illegally? The people who don't want to run the games as designed are the people who are more me-centric.. "What about MEEEEEEE? I don't WANT Vista! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN THE GAMES! WAAA!"

Before people try to blast me about whether or not this is, in fact, illegal, allow me to cross-post what Kimona, Lead Program Manager of FASA Studios (developers of Shadowrun) had to say about it. And before you try saying that Shadowrun is not equal to Halo 2 Vista, think again. The "patches" to run either game on XP operate exactly the same.

Another word for "Unauthorized Windows XP patch" is "hack". We've been aware of this for some time, and our legal department is following up. Things you probably want to know about it before I lock this thread:

- It's unlikely that anyone who chooses to use this hack will be able to play online at all.
- The G4WL and Xbox LIVE service have considerable checks in place against this sort of thing. If your account is found to be using an unauthorized version of the game, your account is subject to a ban.

Remember, G4WL and Xbox LIVE are one and the same. Violations of terms of service, whether its on PC or Xbox, will have the same consequences for both platforms.

-Kimona
Lead Program Manager, FASA Studio


Complaints regarding the availability of these titles on operating systems other than Vista can be registered here. In the meantime, run the "patch" at your own risk. If you get caught, and get banned, or if the work around gets patched out, you have no room to -blam!-.

[Edited on 06.30.2007 8:36 PM PDT]

  • 06.30.2007 8:35 PM PDT

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If you can't go online with this 'hack', how can they know if your XBL account is using it?

- It's unlikely that anyone who chooses to use this hack will be able to play online at all.
- The G4WL and Xbox LIVE service have considerable checks in place against this sort of thing. If your account is found to be using an unauthorized version of the game, your account is subject to a ban.


Oxymoron, IMO.

  • 06.30.2007 8:52 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Kolusion, you need to stop making an ass out of yourself, insulting UXB just because he is smarter and more intelligent than you are and knows how to handle things intelligently and maturely. Which means not calling people names, or acting like you are omnipotent, when you infact make yourself look completely opposite that, helps you in no way at all. My advice, which I know you will most likely rear your head up to try to make some attempt at me, is to stop.

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Posted by: Captiosus
I'm going to cross post two things.


Another word for "Unauthorized Windows XP patch" is "hack". We've been aware of this for some time, and our legal department is following up. Things you probably want to know about it before I lock this thread:

- It's unlikely that anyone who chooses to use this hack will be able to play online at all.
- The G4WL and Xbox LIVE service have considerable checks in place against this sort of thing. If your account is found to be using an unauthorized version of the game, your account is subject to a ban.

Remember, G4WL and Xbox LIVE are one and the same. Violations of terms of service, whether its on PC or Xbox, will have the same consequences for both platforms.

-Kimona
Lead Program Manager, FASA Studio


Complaints regarding the availability of these titles on operating systems other than Vista can be registered here. In the meantime, run the "patch" at your own risk. If you get caught, and get banned, or if the work around gets patched out, you have no room to -blam!-.


I highly doubt MS will do anything about it since it lets more people buy and play the game, which means more money for MS. And this guy needs to know that the PC scence isnt like the XBOX scence. There modding, hacking, etc. is frowned upon but its an awesome part of the PC community.

EDIT* Also how are they going to know that you are running on XP instead of Vista? since the patch puts the Vista.dll's in to XP. The only way for them to know is if they invade your PC in which cause sets them up for a huge fall on legal grounds.

[Edited on 06.30.2007 9:01 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Captiosus
I'm going to cross post two things.

The first is what I wrote regarding this exact same patch for Shadowrun at the Shadowrun forums:
The reason I'm so against this hack isn't because it allows people to have access to the game outside of Vista. I've heard a lot of people claim I'm just "jealous" they can run Halo 2 and Shadowrun on XP while I sunk the money into Vista. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm bought Vista because I wanted it. Being able to play these games... well, to be honest, I didn't even know they were going to be Vista "exclusive" until after I had my OEM Vista Ultimate disk.

No, the reason I'm against this hack is because it's one step closer to making cross-platform games nothing but rampant cheating. So the OS limitation has been hacked. Next I guess it's only a matter of time before we see underground PC "hacks" for Shadowrun and H2Vista which, like MOHAA had back in the day, turn all of your opponent models bright pink so you can see them from just about any point on the map. Wallhacks, Aimbots, Texture Hacks.. oh my!

Sigh. If Microsoft wants to retain their integrity regarding "anti-cheating" and "anti-modding" on Live, they need to clamp down on this hack before it's too late.


Maybe that'll give you some insight as to why I'm opposed to this "patch".

Besides the fact that it opens the doors to rampant cheating, the plain, simple truth is, if you don't want to play a game that requires an Operating System you choose not to run, then you have no right to use illegally modified files to run it on an unsupported platform. If you see that as a lack of respect, I apologize, but maybe it is. I can't say I respect people who see a rule or requirement and decide it doesn't apply to them because they don't like said requirement (and I'm not just talking about video games).

Tell me, who really is the person living in their own bubble? The person who has Vista and runs the games as they were designed or the people who decide that they don't want to buy Vista so they'll wait until some hack comes out to run the games illegally? The people who don't want to run the games as designed are the people who are more me-centric.. "What about MEEEEEEE? I don't WANT Vista! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN THE GAMES! WAAA!"

Before people try to blast me about whether or not this is, in fact, illegal, allow me to cross-post what Kimona, Lead Program Manager of FASA Studios (developers of Shadowrun) had to say about it. And before you try saying that Shadowrun is not equal to Halo 2 Vista, think again. The "patches" to run either game on XP operate exactly the same.

Another word for "Unauthorized Windows XP patch" is "hack". We've been aware of this for some time, and our legal department is following up. Things you probably want to know about it before I lock this thread:

- It's unlikely that anyone who chooses to use this hack will be able to play online at all.
- The G4WL and Xbox LIVE service have considerable checks in place against this sort of thing. If your account is found to be using an unauthorized version of the game, your account is subject to a ban.

Remember, G4WL and Xbox LIVE are one and the same. Violations of terms of service, whether its on PC or Xbox, will have the same consequences for both platforms.

-Kimona
Lead Program Manager, FASA Studio


Complaints regarding the availability of these titles on operating systems other than Vista can be registered here. In the meantime, run the "patch" at your own risk. If you get caught, and get banned, or if the work around gets patched out, you have no room to -blam!-.

to add to my friend above,

Once you buy the game from the store, you can do what the heck you want to it. Its your property. If I want to for my own personal preference, mod my game up, thats fine, because its not illegal!!! I can choose what to do with my game because I bought it.

Now the tricky thing about this is that it also means that as long as I do not infringe on other peoples item with my own social item, then I am following the basic guide lines. This means that modding online can be illegal because effects a greater population, and infringes on others people right to enjoy the software network the way it is supost to be used. However, modding people who do buy the game can set up there own network and do what they want on it, and if others are willing to join along, then it is not illegal because it is not infringing on anyone's rights to play.

So I do not see how this is at all illegal if the game you buy is yours, and if you want to mod it you can. As long as you do not go online with it unless you join a modded line, you are fine.

Now here is the thing, people are angry because MS said you can not play Halo 2 on XP. They lied. They said it would not play as good on XP. They lied at that too. Now tell me again why people who are holding off Vista should not be angry that a product they like and waited for, then told that it was going to be only on vista because it was to much work to port it to XP, not get angry?

-Aktins Diet

  • 06.30.2007 9:28 PM PDT

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You may own the game, but you don't own the rights to it. Or the intellectual property to it either. (duh)

I thought this was outlined in the EULA?

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Posted by: darthbob
You may own the game, but you don't own the rights to it. Or the intellectual property to it either. (duh)

I thought this was outlined in the EULA?


Only if you sign it in agreement. If you mod it so you do not have to agree, then it does not apply to you now does it? :)

-Aktins Diet

[Edited on 06.30.2007 10:33 PM PDT]

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With all due respect, I believe you're grossly mistaken about several of your points.


Posted by: Captiosus
The first is what I wrote regarding this exact same patch for Shadowrun at the Shadowrun forums:

The H2V XP hack is not a patch and from what I've gather has nothing to do with the Shadowrun crack.
I'll ignore Shadowrun throughout the rest of my post as the comparison has no bearing.


Posted by: Captiosus
No, the reason I'm against this hack is because it's one step closer to making cross-platform games nothing but rampant cheating.

Nothing could be further from the truth.
Game cheats are done through illegal reverse engineering of the game code.
The XP hack is on par with something like WINE, it "emulates" the Vista bits missing on XP.
It won't help people looking to create cheats one bit.
Besides, cheats are inevitable on the PC platform.
The more popular the game the greater incentive there is for creating cheats, sad but true.
Being an avid PC gamer, I've seen plenty online FPS's go down the drain because of cheating.


Posted by: Captiosus
Besides the fact that it opens the doors to rampant cheating, the plain, simple truth is, if you don't want to play a game that requires an Operating System you choose not to run, then you have no right to use illegally modified files to run it on an unsupported platform.

The files are neither illegal nor modified.
At best they could be argued to be in violation of the clause "work around any technical limitations in the software;" from section 6 of the EULA.
Personally, I think that's typical MS FUD. There's no definition of "work around" nor "technical limitations".
The Vista EULA also includes this. Without a definition of either term, just about any third party software would literally be in violation of the EULA.
The only scenario I think this could be enforced, is if the software goverened by the EULA is modified.
Again, what WINE does is not too dissimilar from what the hack does, that WINE would not also be in breach of the EULA.

Let's take a hypothetical example of me creating some software, packaging it with an EULA including the same wording as the H2V EULA.
Builing a technical limitation into it, which makes it only work on Windows 2000.
Then some user decides to try it out on XP, which doesn't work, of course.
However, clever as the user is, he tries the Program Compatibility Wizard, which is built into XP, and to much suprise the software works.
Is MS breaking the law by providing the "work around"?


Posted by: Captiosus
The people who don't want to run the games as designed are the people who are more me-centric.. "What about MEEEEEEE? I don't WANT Vista! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN THE GAMES! WAAA!"

There's really no reason to turn the discussion into personal squable.
That characterization is, although "humorous", completely off the point.
As I've mentioned earlier, there's just some work that I can't do on Vista without having to do a cascade of upgrades. The price of Vista would be the very least of my worries.
The alternative ofcourse would be to dual-boot but I'm already dual-booting between XP and Ubuntu, installing Vista just for H2V would be silly.
If the XP hack hadn't been available I simply wouldn't have ordered H2V.

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"You may own the game, but you don't own the rights to it. Or the intellectual property to it either. (duh) I thought this was outlined in the EULA?"

This EULA is inside the product you buy. The licence agreement even becomes yours. You need you enter the licence agreement prior purchasing, not after. :). Once you purchase your product and get your receipt, you have consumed the product - you can do what you want with it as you didn't enter a sale contract. thx mwa!


xandros07: There is no logical link in your statements regarding Halo 2 Vista on XP, and hacks. If hacks will be made for Halo 2 on XP, then they will also be made on Halo 2 Vista.

"There's no definition of "work around" nor "technical limitations."

This is called the grey side of the law where logic is not present, hence why people employ a barrister.


If Microsoft make SDK kits for Halo 2 Vista modders, then you can make hacks, you can argue a so called hack to get it on XP is not a limitation, its an advantage. Grey side. ;)

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Posted by: Kolusion
xandros07: There is no logical link in your statements regarding Halo 2 Vista on XP, and hacks. If hacks will be made for Halo 2 on XP, then they will also be made on Halo 2 Vista.

Captiosus was arguing that the XP compability hack would open the door for cheats.
My response had nothing to do with cheats on XP vs. Vista.
But rather the difference between the XP compability hack and cheats.


Posted by: Kolusion
If Microsoft make SDK kits for Halo 2 Vista modders, then you can make hacks, you can argue a so called hack to get it on XP is not a limitation, its an advantage. Grey side. ;)

Was that a demonstration of logic not being present?
An XP compability hack couldn't be derived from a H2V SDK. What's missing on XP has nothing to do with H2V.

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Well regardless, people don't seem to understand that if they don't enter a sale contract when purchasing a product then EULA's don't mean -blam!-. Feel free to do what ever to YOUR Halo 2 Vista's!

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Posted by: Kolusion
You just arn't aware of loopholes in the law system. If your receipt states that the SALE is PROOF OF PURCHASE, then this means you OWN it as you PURCHASED it.
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When I asked you to tell me what Vista can do XP can't I was expecting you to discuss something a little more technical than your file encryptions and registry LoL
The depth of your ignorance and your misplaced sense of arrogance is astounding even for such a young person. It is blatantly obvious you have no real world, corporate or actual IT experience, and no concept or appreciation of copyright and contract law. Your flippant attempt to classify me as an amateur after dismissing and admitting to your lack of understanding of the security implications would be laughable were I less compassionate. It is obvious that further attempts at rational discourse will be met with an increasing level of unenlightened and immature responses. Enjoy XP may the two of you be happy.

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