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Subject: Take the Battle Rifle Out of Matchmaking Entirely

Posted by: Recon Number 54 | Master Forum Ninja |
You're asking people to state which non-released game they like better?

It's like asking a virgin whether they like being on top or on bottom.

Posted by: XxCubanLegendxX
same is in they cant control BxR and those button glitches. they cant take out any f the glitches since it an error in the codes of the game. in order to take out the glitches, they need to rewrite everything.


I know, that's why I feel that Bungie should make them perfectly legal. That's why I referenced to super-bouncing.

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Yeah this guy has to be joking. I mean, a 23 in Hardcore isn't ........."great" (it's good though, but not great heck I'm a 24) but he has played more than enough Hardcore games to not mean what he's saying.

Good joke though, definitely had me until I went back and saw FK's post.


haha, its not his level, he has an MLG avatar on his gamercard.

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Posted by: Yutaka541
Actually, I would say it takes more skill to get a kill with the SMG, because with the BR, you 4sk and they're dead. The SMG, you have to dump nearly an entire clip into them, while getting up close for it to work, while controlling recoil.



Good logic.

Except for the fact that you have to actually aim with the BR, and it will only kill in 4 shots, if you hit the first three shots solid, then get a headshot.

The SMG is just pray and spray. That's like saying the BR is harder to use than the Carbine, because it takes more bullets to kill.

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Posted by: Janube Taso
Duals take far more skill than people seem to realize.

R U mentally retarded. it is the easiest weapon combo to use in the game the SMG plasma rifle combo. u must really really really suck at halo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I personally like both the SMG and the BR55. Though the latter more than the former. The SMG is good in close quarters, especially when you duel wield it. However, at medium to long distance, it's pretty worthless. Also, when you shoot, it tends to move upwards very quickly due to the strong kick. The BR55 on the other hand, being a rifle, does not move upwards and is handy in both close quarters and medium distance. Perhaps long-range, too, considering you're a good shot.

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Ice, do send me a friend request.
GT- Janube

We'll play a few games together. Some where you're just on the same team in something simple, and some against me.
I've played in over 10,000 games, and I've witnessed a whole helluva lot.
Through it all, I can safely say that my skill with duals tips the tide of battle more often than not.

Clearly, someone who thinks that someone else is bad simply because they see skill in weapons other than the Battle Rifle is unintelligent.

You're a one-dimensional player. And your spelling and grammar is not to be admired.

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Posted by: Janube Taso
Ice, do send me a friend request.
GT- Janube

We'll play a few games together. Some where you're just on the same team in something simple, and some against me.
I've played in over 10,000 games, and I've witnessed a whole helluva lot.
Through it all, I can safely say that my skill with duals tips the tide of battle more often than not.

Clearly, someone who thinks that someone else is bad simply because they see skill in weapons other than the Battle Rifle is unintelligent.

You're a one-dimensional player. And your spelling and grammar is not to be admired.


Just because he doesn't think duals are very skill based doesn't mean he doesn't use them, or doesn't think thye are good. They are obviously skill based, but not to the level of the rifles in the game. I see them as a good thing to pick up in SMG start games, as good weapons, but it doesn't mean they are as hard to use or learn as a BR or Carbine.

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It's as shame the BR is the most versatile balancing weapon in halo 2 but because of the glitches it also unbalances halo 2. Sure the carbine/sniper take more skill but the carbine is hard to place on the map (because of the way weapon sets work) and the sniper is a bit to powerful reducing the need for teamwork and increasing first shot effect.

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no, don't take the BR out, but definitly have only smg starts on small to medium maps. only BR starts on larger maps. not only that, but put back the plasma rifle starts for midship, it was fun with them.

  • 06.26.2007 9:49 AM PDT

reply to janube taso's stupid comment : Dude your not God so shut your mouth about other peoples' skills.

BR is a skill weapon and should not be removed. With the smg you can just spray it in all directions and it is an annoying weapon

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bxrb is probaly the stupidest and most useless combo ever.
just bxb.

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Posted by: TMarsVolta
bxrb is probaly the stupidest and most useless combo ever.
just bxb.


Try being BXRd 5 times by the host after spawning - happened to me once in a custom game. Then we went into MM and he complained about someone using the sword...

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Posted by: Equinox Q
reply to janube taso's stupid comment : Dude your not God so shut your mouth about other peoples' skills.

BR is a skill weapon and should not be removed. With the smg you can just spray it in all directions and it is an annoying weapon
you just don't like it because you get killed by it. ya, that's it. smgs are awesome.

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My comment was well thought out and backed up by experience, Q.
Your comment was backed up by blind rage because you have an opinion that you think is worth more than everyone else's.

I use the SMG and all duals(minus needlers) as killing weapons. Not annoying weapons. You guys can pick up all the battle rifles you want on Lockout, but if that's all you have, I will almost always come out on top with duals.

I don't think I'm a God at this game. I just know that I'm very good. And I know that duals are a very underused and underestimated tactic.


[Edited on 06.26.2007 10:19 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Janube Taso
My comment was well thought out and backed up by experience, Q.
Your comment was backed up by blind rage because you have an opinion that you think is worth more than everyone else's.

I use the SMG and all duals(mines needlers) as killing weapons. Not annoying weapons. You guys can pick up all the battle rifles you want on Lockout, but if that's all you have, I will almost always come out on top with duals.

I don't think I'm a God at this game. I just know that I'm very good. And I know that duals are a very underused and underestimated tactic.
ya duals can bring a BR down pretty quick. believe me, i've been killed by duals when i've had the BR.

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Posted by: PLU x Scar
Posted by: XxCubanLegendxX
the BR isnt cheap at all, only the power weapons (sword, rockets, etc...) and NC are cheap. even though i find BxR, BxB, Double Shooting, and all those glitches are cheap, the BR actually requires skill.

Nothing in Halo 2 is cheap, the game is balanced when configured correctly. There are plenty of ways to combat every weapon and combination of weapons.
Let's start with the BR. It is the most balanced weapon in the game. Great medium range, and decent long and short range. It is the core of the balance in Halo 2. To combat the BR from short range you can use the Sword, Shotgun, or a dual wield. These three weapons/combinations were meant for short range combat, and are poor in long and medium range combat. A BR can take any of these down easily at medium range. But, try taking down a plasma rifle/SMG combo from close range with a BR. Chances are you won't be able to if the players are of roughly equal skill level. From long range, the Sniper is able to defeat the BR quite easily, again assuming roughly equal skill levels. A sniper can be defeated much the same as a BR can be defeated. The BR is "overpowered" when only one or two players have one, and the game is set up with SMG spawns. Many of you are complaining that there are too many BRs on most maps, but, in fact, this is exactly the opposite of the problem. There are too few BRs on most maps to actively combat someone with a BR. Ascension, Midship and Lockout are prime examples of this problem. With more BR spawns on the map it would be easier for you to get one when your opponent has one.
Examining the rest of the power weapons (Rockets and The Combo) also shows that the game is balanced and not cheap. The Rockets are a fast kill and are fairly easy to use, but they have limited ammo and generally don't perform well past short-medium range. The best way to get past rockets are to either snipe the rocket holder, catch him by surprise, or keep your distance and BR him. The Combo is generally considered to be the cheapest part of the game from my experience, but the biggest drawback of The Combo is the fact that it takes two weapon slots to use. This gives a devastating medium range attack and a pretty good close range attack (plasma then beatdown), but is very poor long range. It also gives away your position from the glow, and if the plasma misses you will most likely be behind in the firefight and unable to catch up (equal skill assumed).
The key to everything in Halo 2 is knowledge. With the right knowledge of the weapons and levels it is possible to overcome most scenarios. Much of this also depends on the configuration of the gametype, however. With SMG starts on certain levels (Ascension) it is very difficult to come back from a defecit when the other team knows how to control the map. With a BR start on the same level, it is much more balanced and harder to control the level. It is still useful to pick up an SMG even with a BR start. If you plan on being in a short range scenario then a dual wield is your best friend other than a short range power weapon. An SMG is also much more effective at taking a Banshee down. Certain weapons are meant to give an advantage to the player using them, but most of the time it can be countered with the correct knowledge. Halo 2 is much more about knowledge, situational weapon choice and teamwork than it is about any particular weapon being cheap and overpowered. Without the BR or Carbine in Halo 2 the game would have no good medium range weapon, and the power weapons would truly be overpowered. If Halo 2 were a one-dimensional game there would only be one type of weapon. By having the duals, the BR/Carbine, and the power weapons Halo 2 becomes a highly complex game of quick decision making. Taking anything out would result in a worse game that was unbalanced and boring.

Also, on a side note, the button glitches (BXR, doubleshot, double melee, etc.) are not intended portions of the game and can make it slightly unfair when an expert uses them, but they are here to stay in Halo 2 and also have ways to counter them (but more difficult). I use them to my advantage, but would prefer if they were not in the game.


Well put. I Agree. [/thread]

  • 06.26.2007 11:19 AM PDT

Posted by: S2K ViP3R
there is not point in saying hey i got a 40- HIGH RANK MEANS NOTHING, it means you either bridged host or cheated...and the skillfull player like myself have 27s cause of cheating.

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Umm.....No.

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Just for that i am going to BXR the hell out of you!!

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good point... not! (look at my sig!)

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Posted by: Janube Taso
Ice, do send me a friend request.
GT- Janube

We'll play a few games together. Some where you're just on the same team in something simple, and some against me.
I've played in over 10,000 games, and I've witnessed a whole helluva lot.
Through it all, I can safely say that my skill with duals tips the tide of battle more often than not.

Clearly, someone who thinks that someone else is bad simply because they see skill in weapons other than the Battle Rifle is unintelligent.

You're a one-dimensional player. And your spelling and grammar is not to be admired.


LOL I thought you were talking to me when you made this post. I was like......"ummm.......ok?"

Hooray for misunderstandings :-D

Oh and FK I didn't even notice he had an MLG gamercard. That makes this all the more funny, good eye!

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Posted by: FKxPandemic
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Yeah this guy has to be joking. I mean, a 23 in Hardcore isn't ........."great" (it's good though, but not great heck I'm a 24) but he has played more than enough Hardcore games to not mean what he's saying.

Good joke though, definitely had me until I went back and saw FK's post.


haha, its not his level, he has an MLG avatar on his gamercard.


did you even notice the fact that it took him 165 games to get to a 23. that's not MLG that's aspirations of MLG

  • 06.26.2007 12:18 PM PDT

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i find it funny how people say "take out this weapon, its stupid". they arent going to take out any weapons. if you dont like the BR, dont use it. you can easily beat a person with a BR, even without doing the button glitches. stop complaining about the weapons and just play the game.

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Posted by: That DAM n00b
Posted by: FKxPandemic
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Yeah this guy has to be joking. I mean, a 23 in Hardcore isn't ........."great" (it's good though, but not great heck I'm a 24) but he has played more than enough Hardcore games to not mean what he's saying.

Good joke though, definitely had me until I went back and saw FK's post.


haha, its not his level, he has an MLG avatar on his gamercard.


did you even notice the fact that it took him 165 games to get to a 23. that's not MLG that's aspirations of MLG


LOL, I did chuckle when I read that. I'm not gonna lie though, I don't have that good a record- 100 games, 64 wins, Level 24 with less than half bar :-/

Though I did have full bar 25 a week ago, but ran into a few semi pros who just "happened" to be searching the same time as us LOL. It wasn't pretty. But he may just use Hardcore for warming up, even at that kind of level where you need at least a T03 to be successful.

  • 06.26.2007 12:35 PM PDT