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GO BERT GO
Posted by: CxEnVy
Throw your hands up and shout, come on now. OoOoO Oh ooOoo

  • 06.26.2007 12:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: That DAM n00b
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Yeah this guy has to be joking. I mean, a 23 in Hardcore isn't ........."great" (it's good though, but not great heck I'm a 24) but he has played more than enough Hardcore games to not mean what he's saying.

Good joke though, definitely had me until I went back and saw FK's post.


haha, its not his level, he has an MLG avatar on his gamercard.


did you even notice the fact that it took him 165 games to get to a 23. that's not MLG that's aspirations of MLG



Uhh, it doesn't really matter, I never said he was good, I was just saying that this thread was obviously a topic, because someone with an MLG avatar, probably wouldn't be for getting rid of BRs.

  • 06.26.2007 1:05 PM PDT
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I like to Rollick

You're an SMGenius!

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  • 06.26.2007 1:30 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: Janube Taso
My comment was well thought out and backed up by experience, Q.
Your comment was backed up by blind rage because you have an opinion that you think is worth more than everyone else's.

I use the SMG and all duals(minus needlers) as killing weapons. Not annoying weapons. You guys can pick up all the battle rifles you want on Lockout, but if that's all you have, I will almost always come out on top with duals.

I don't think I'm a God at this game. I just know that I'm very good. And I know that duals are a very underused and underestimated tactic.


Against good kids you wont come out on top. Good kids wont let you get close enough to effective use your duals. How does the SMG have recoil? I can effectively use the SMG at range just about as easily as the BR. All you have to do is pump the triggers.

  • 06.26.2007 1:35 PM PDT

There was a man from Allentown who fed his son to death.
He calmly watched him gorge himself until his final breath.
And there he stood, surprised and shocked above his tiny frame.
He said: "I bear no blame for this. I only share his name!"

You put this thread on the Halo 3 forum and no one agreed with you there. Think this will be different? You're wrong, shut up.

  • 06.26.2007 1:40 PM PDT

xv IbaneZ vx

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Posted by: TMarsVolta
sword and rockets aren't cheap. their probaly the most fair of them all.
BR is so glitchy it's like everyone can mod if they wanted to.
omg SMG is the best. why doesn't anyone realize.


It's ok. I like the particle beam rifle best. You can fire 18 shots without even taking your eye off the scope.


its called a carbine! not a particle beam rifle and carbines r the best but swords suck balls and battle rifles who ever posted the is on crack BRs r one of the only fair weapons online games can be glitchy ok its not ust the BR its the person using it blame on the player not the game

  • 06.26.2007 1:41 PM PDT
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I definitely think they should be taken out. They are very annoying to play with when you or anyone else has them.

  • 06.26.2007 2:35 PM PDT
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honestly he is a BR "Bloody Retard"

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I half agree and half disagree with the opening statement. I think that the BRs are very good weapons, although myself I cannot quite get to grasp how to use them effectivly as yet (I've only been playing online for about 7 days so I havn't had much practice and campaign just is very good practice I find), but I do think that they could be limited, to say, midium to large sized maps. They are very skillful weapons to use but on small maps if someone has one and you don't, really its just a case of whoever fires first will live. Staying with that argument, I would have to say that duel weapons are also skillful weapons to use. Having to control with the recoil of an SMG is a particular pain in a close quarters battle, and being able to not overheat your duel plasma rifles in a close situation is also as much of a pain.

As a solution, would it not be 'fair' to say, limit the amount of BRs to madium to large maps; Or to maybe give the player a BR and SMG to start so that they can chose what to start with rather than being told?

Also, could someone please tell me, or maybe even teach me these gliches you all speak of. As I have said already I am new to playing the game online and I read all of the posts and see 'BXB' or 'BXR' and things like that, or even 'super bounce' and I think, "wth?" So if anybody at all would like to tell me what these things are, I would be most greatful.

  • 06.26.2007 3:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: TMarsVolta
The Battle Riffle aka BR is the cheapest weapon in Halo 2 and should be taken out of matchmaking. It is the most glitchiest weapon ever, making it the cheapest. We all know the BR takes the fun out of Halo 2 Online, so let's get the SMG back to starting weapon and take out the BR completely. Remember the good ol' days with SMG start, best med. range weapon ever. LET'S DO IT FOR THE SMG!


aka "i'm bad at this game, please make it easier for me so I don't have to aim".

Please stop posting. halo 2's is unbalanced and skill-less enough already, we really don't need more SMG starts to make it worse, k thnx

  • 06.26.2007 3:43 PM PDT
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i get bxr'ed bxb'ed and double shot constanly i hate it so much...

  • 06.26.2007 3:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: JS Legacy
i get bxr'ed bxb'ed and double shot constanly i hate it so much...

Riiiiiiight cough...Noob...cough

  • 06.26.2007 5:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54 | Master Forum Ninja |
You're asking people to state which non-released game they like better?

It's like asking a virgin whether they like being on top or on bottom.

I think that PLU x Scar and I made very good points.

  • 06.26.2007 5:44 PM PDT
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You just made my day.

Host Shotgun is overpowered, let's take that out.
Sword is a cheap one-hit kill, let's take that out.
Sniper and Beam Rifle are cheap because you can just stand far away and you will be untouchable, let's take that out.
Plasma Rifle and Plasma Pistol drain shields too fast, let's take those out.
Rocket Launcher does too much damage, let's take that out.
Needler has too much tracking and is unrealistic, let's take that out.
Brute Shot does too much damage with the melee, let's take that out.
Grenades do too much damage, let's take those out.
Magnum can be dueled with the SMG and that does too much damage, let's take the Magnum out, too.

Looks like we have just the good Old SMG!


Taking the BR out of matchmaking is just ridiculous.

  • 06.26.2007 5:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: TMarsVolta
The Battle Riffle aka BR is the cheapest weapon in Halo 2 and should be taken out of matchmaking. It is the most glitchiest weapon ever, making it the cheapest. We all know the BR takes the fun out of Halo 2 Online, so let's get the SMG back to starting weapon and take out the BR completely. Remember the good ol' days with SMG start, best med. range weapon ever. LET'S DO IT FOR THE SMG!


Or you could learn how to use the BR. Bungie isn't going to change thier entire online game because you suck with the BR.

  • 06.26.2007 6:03 PM PDT
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LMAO are you guys retarded hes obviously joking. read his first few posts. you gamers are so gullible.

  • 06.26.2007 6:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: NinjaSpartan777
Posted by: TMarsVolta
The Battle Riffle aka BR is the cheapest weapon in Halo 2 and should be taken out of matchmaking. It is the most glitchiest weapon ever, making it the cheapest. We all know the BR takes the fun out of Halo 2 Online, so let's get the SMG back to starting weapon and take out the BR completely. Remember the good ol' days with SMG start, best med. range weapon ever. LET'S DO IT FOR THE SMG!


aka "i'm bad at this game, please make it easier for me so I don't have to aim".

Please stop posting. halo 2's is unbalanced and skill-less enough already, we really don't need more SMG starts to make it worse, k thnx



but but but, I want my SMG start on blood gulch with just 2 BR spawns back again!!!! ::pouts::

  • 06.26.2007 7:02 PM PDT
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First, I'm not going to claim to be good. I'm quite bad, but not as bad as my K/D (I'm a support player, I'll die ten times if it means opening the gate) or my Level (I only play Big Team Battle, which is unfortunately unranked, but before the update I was 16 and rising around a level or two per day since I just got my 360) would seem to say.

Anyway, I think that BRs should be left as is, except that BR spawns should be replaced with SMG spawns. BR spawns are annoying because with a BR, battles happen long ways away. It is all about shooting, instead of a mix between shooting, grenades, and melees, like Bungie intended. Whoever shoots first in a big open level, like Coagulation or Containment, wins. It's boring. With an SMG, you have to get up close, so combats involve grenade throwing, shooting, and meleeing.

And as a final reason, the BR is the glitchiest weapon in the game. BXR, BXB, Double Shot, Quad Shot, etc. mean that with BR spawn, cheaters win.

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Posted by: TMarsVolta
The Battle Riffle aka BR is the cheapest weapon in Halo 2 and should be taken out of matchmaking. It is the most glitchiest weapon ever, making it the cheapest. We all know the BR takes the fun out of Halo 2 Online, so let's get the SMG back to starting weapon and take out the BR completely. Remember the good ol' days with SMG start, best med. range weapon ever. LET'S DO IT FOR THE SMG!


I'm sorry but I disagree with you speaking for me. I feel that BR starts provide matches more fair than regular slayer SMG starts ever will.

  • 06.26.2007 7:58 PM PDT

I hate dial up

you forgot the pistol, you can bxr with that thing to.

LETS TAKE OUT THE PISTOL!


infact, you can bxr with every single damn weapon in Halo 2.

LETS TAKE ALL THE WEAPONS OUT OF MATCHMAKING!!!

except the sword since that is the only weapon that can't bxr usefully.

It is true every weaponb can bxr.

  • 06.26.2007 8:41 PM PDT
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no joke dude. they have found soooo many cheats with that stupidweapon. the secone i see anybody with it they freaking double shot me in the face and its over.

  • 06.26.2007 11:39 PM PDT
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u just wont the br out cus u can't use it but there are plenty pf players who can and just cus u aint very good with it doesn't mean dat it should be removed entirely. everyone has a weapon that they can't use very well and they aint complaining cus its part of the game.

  • 06.27.2007 2:56 AM PDT

Posted by: TMarsVolta
The Battle Riffle aka BR is the cheapest weapon in Halo 2 and should be taken out of matchmaking. It is the most glitchiest weapon ever, making it the cheapest. We all know the BR takes the fun out of Halo 2 Online, so let's get the SMG back to starting weapon and take out the BR completely. Remember the good ol' days with SMG start, best med. range weapon ever. LET'S DO IT FOR THE SMG!

The BR needs to be removed from Halo 2 just like as the SMG is a medium range weapon - well you got that right, neither are anywhere close to being true.

Yes, the BR is a bit easier to use than it should be perhaps. But the SMG gives me so much frustration, I'd rather get cross-map BR'd while holding a BR myself than holding a SMG.

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I read many times of the BxR, BxB, double shot quadshot and so on, just wondering what exactly does it mean and what does it?

  • 06.27.2007 4:21 AM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54 | Master Forum Ninja |
You're asking people to state which non-released game they like better?

It's like asking a virgin whether they like being on top or on bottom.

Buddy, this is not the cheapest weapon in the game, next to the sniper it takes more skill than any other weapon in the game to use. You, apparently, can't use it well. You probably stand still with a sniper, and run around with duel's (Duel Wieldable guns) all day. Well here, below, is normally what I post in button glitching threads. But all button glitches deal with a BR. So I think it's appropriate. If you are a good BR user, you have to consider all the information I have posted below really fast. The BR is not a cheap weapon, if it was than pro's like Team Final Boss wouldn't be allowed to compete in the MLG Pro Circuit with it.


Posted by: sk8r13 09
I feel, in my opinion, that button glitching is fine to do in matchmakeing. Like some people feel, I believe it is like playing a fighting game, and the button glitches are just hard to do combos. If you say it takes no skill to do a Excessive Shot, Double Shot, and Quad Shot than you are sadly mistaken(I do think BXR and BXB are pretty easy to do.) I don't have to do any of the button glitches to win a match, and I still do very well without them. And for the people who think it is cheating(Like Bungie). All I have to say is," Why is superbouncing not cheating, but button glitches are?" "They both are things that exploit flaws in the game, everyone can do them, and you don't need to buy excess hardware to make them work(Via Modding)." So why should they be cheating, when other glitches in matchmakeing aren't?

Button glitches do not make you good. Anyone who button glitches can probably own while regular shooting. They just need to take it to the next level. It's way harder to do the gltich than most people think. And the people who complain about it are the ones who can't do it. It takes just as much skill to do the button glitch and fire at the person than it does to just shoot. It takes more concentration to do the glitch and better aim.



"I don't really Quad Shot that much compared to a regular Double Shot. Instead of a Double Shot-YY-Double Shot,RRX-YY-RRX(Quad Shot). I perfer the "Shot Shot Double Shot."( R-R-RRX) I find the the "Shot Shot Double Shot" has a higher success rate than a Quad, because you are less likely to miss some of your headshots. And if you are good, but not amazing at a Quad Shot(Like myself), then you will have the occasional screw up on the first Double Shot. And most players would be killed in this instance because they were previously taking fire. Now, because you might have screwed up your first Double Shot in the Quad Shot, you now have to run behind a corner. This is where you make a decision; Should you stay there, reaload, and wait for the other player to pop around the corner so you can BXR/BXB him? Or you could try to make a tactical manuever by sneaking around him for the assasination. Or the last thing you could do is suprise by doing an Excessive Shot,BRX-RRX-BRX-RRX(Triple Shot). That would catch him completely off gaurd."






That is a quote by me. Now that might all be running through the normal button glitchers head at the moment you are attacking. Now if you think it takes no skill to do a button glitch, then I would like to you Excessive Shot, or Quad while fighting your opponent. It's a little harder to do, I think, than you people who just pull the R trigger. We, button glitchers, have to push multiple buttons and pull the R trigger in under a second to make one shot work(Double Shot, BXR, and BXB) You non button glitchers are just having to push R trigger every half second. We have to do most of our Quad's and Excessives in under that to make them work correctly. That, my friends, takes way more skill than pulling a trigger, and it takes more concentration and more skill to pull off those button glitches.

One thing that is stupid that I hate about regular open area BR'ing is, it's a whoever shoots first wins. Maybe if there is cover around you can hide and the pull off a four shot on the guys head from a suprise jumping strife. But if you were to say button glitch after he fired off two shots, he might be damaged and forced to retreat, giving you some time to heal, or he could be dead. It's no longer a shoot first win first situation. It's a "Who has more skill?"

And also for the people who button glitch. They are always trying to fight other button glitchers. This makes it really hard, because if both of you are glitching than it's an even battle. But one Double Shot can turn the whole thing around. Now a button glitcher has to look out for people more. If he see's someone he has to make a decision. "Should I fire at him, or wait for him to come here. Because he could turn around and Quad me when I'm only going to fire a Double Shot. Maybe if I hide I can pull of a BXR. But he might see me and do it before me. Maybe I should wait for a teamate, but he might know that, and tell one of his teamates to flank us and shoot us from behind while he Double Shots us. If he shot a regular shot I could live, but that's a maybe" That is running through the mind of a button glitcher. You non-button glitchers should think like that, but you don't because you expect him to play as you do. But he might not. So you get mad in the game and yell and scream "Cheater!" While you, yourself, have probably superbounced in that match and was just killed while you were up there. You darn glitcher.


[quote]Posted by: PLU x Scar
Nothing in Halo 2 is cheap, the game is balanced when configured correctly. There are plenty of ways to combat every weapon and combination of weapons.
Let's start with the BR. It is the most balanced weapon in the game. Great medium range, and decent long and short range. It is the core of the balance in Halo 2. To combat the BR from short range you can use the Sword, Shotgun, or a dual wield. These three weapons/combinations were meant for short range combat, and are poor in long and medium range combat. A BR can take any of these down easily at medium range. But, try taking down a plasma rifle/SMG combo from close range with a BR. Chances are you won't be able to if the players are of roughly equal skill level. From long range, the Sniper is able to defeat the BR quite easily, again assuming roughly equal skill levels. A sniper can be defeated much the same as a BR can be defeated. The BR is "overpowered" when only one or two players have one, and the game is set up with SMG spawns. Many of you are complaining that there are too many BRs on most maps, but, in fact, this is exactly the opposite of the problem. There are too few BRs on most maps to actively combat someone with a BR. Ascension, Midship and Lockout are prime examples of this problem. With more BR spawns on the map it would be easier for you to get one when your opponent has one.
Examining the rest of the power weapons (Rockets and The Combo) also shows that the game is balanced and not cheap. The Rockets are a fast kill and are fairly easy to use, but they have limited ammo and generally don't perform well past short-medium range. The best way to get past rockets are to either snipe the rocket holder, catch him by surprise, or keep your distance and BR him. The Combo is generally considered to be the cheapest part of the game from my experience, but the biggest drawback of The Combo is the fact that it takes two weapon slots to use. This gives a devastating medium range attack and a pretty good close range attack (plasma then beatdown), but is very poor long range. It also gives away your position from the glow, and if the plasma misses you will most likely be behind in the firefight and unable to catch up (equal skill assumed).
The key to everything in Halo 2 is knowledge. With the right knowledge of the weapons and levels it is possible to overcome most scenarios. Much of this also depends on the configuration of the gametype, however. With SMG starts on certain levels (Ascension) it is very difficult to come back from a defecit when the other team knows how to control the map. With a BR start on the same level, it is much more balanced and harder to control the level. It is still useful to pick up an SMG even with a BR start. If you plan on being in a short range scenario then a dual wield is your best friend other than a short range power weapon. An SMG is also much more effective at taking a Banshee down. Certain weapons are meant to give an advantage to the player using them, but most of the time it can be countered with the correct knowledge. Halo 2 is much more about knowledge, situational weapon choice and teamwork than it is about any particular weapon being cheap and overpowered. Without the BR or Carbine in Halo 2 the game would have no good medium range weapon, and the power weapons would truly be overpowered. If Halo 2 were a one-dimensional game there would only be one type of weapon. By having the duals, the BR/Carbine, and the power weapons Halo 2 becomes a highly complex game of quick decision making. Taking anything out would result in a worse game that was unbalanced and boring.

Also, on a side note, the button glitches (BXR, doubleshot, double melee, etc.) are not intended portions of the game and can make it slightly unfair when an expert uses them, but they are here to stay in Halo 2 and also have ways to counter them (but more difficult). I use them to my advantage, but would prefer if they were not in the game.


These are two posts posted by PLU x Scar and I, they make very good points please consider them.

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