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Posted by: Z3r0Fear
I would have to agree that the BR is the cheapest weapon in the game. I'm up for taking it out of matchmaking entirely and maybe even the game cause the weapon is so darn screwed up like me being killed in 2 shots which I don't think is possible without glitching. I've had so many issues with the game its become annoying like i shoot someone ten times with it in the head or near it and they don't die which is really frustrating to someone who likes to have a fair game. Everyone seems to be able to kill me with it either I'm doing something wrong or its a really glitchy gun. I hope to see it removed from the matchmaking system.


Umm.......if you're joking, then LOL.

If you're not joking, then............you're completely wrong. The BR isn't going anywhere, and it's not a cheap weapon, you just have to learn how to use it.

Granted, it's a very powerful weapon, especially for off the spawn. But the SMG is a terrible gun to spawn with, Bungie themselves know this and made it clear with the removal of being a spawn weapon, and adding the Assault Rifle (which literally forces balance between grenades, weapons, and melee) for Halo 3.

If you have a preference for a gun, that's fine. But weapons shouldn't be removed just because you think it's "cheap." If that was the case we wouldn't have sword, shotty, sniper, rockets, or plasma pistol.

Heck you might as well get rid of all dual wields because of it's inconsistency. We'd be left with Sentinel Beams and grenades. That doesn't sound fun :-(

*edit*

I just realized I shouldn't say you're wrong for having an opinion, for that I apologize. But I do find your opinion flawed.

[Edited on 07.22.2007 4:13 PM PDT]

  • 07.22.2007 4:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: TMarsVolta
The Battle Riffle aka BR is the cheapest weapon in Halo 2 and should be taken out of matchmaking. It is the most glitchiest weapon ever, making it the cheapest. We all know the BR takes the fun out of Halo 2 Online, so let's get the SMG back to starting weapon and take out the BR completely. Remember the good ol' days with SMG start, best med. range weapon ever. LET'S DO IT FOR THE SMG!


You must be the cheap one, because you've got an SMG that is good at med. range. I've never seen one like that, are you a modder?

The only time the BR is cheap is when coupled with a plasma pistol (only if you use it to get ALL your kills), or when someone BxR's.

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Is this guy for real?

The BR is the best gun in the game... takes the most skill and it has tons of different uses, like unscoping a sniper from long range when your just trying to get away. He probably just sucks with it... lol

If I could choose taking a gun completely out of matchmaking... Rocket Launcher, hands down... VERYYYY cheap. I'd also take out SMG start (RL is ever more cheap there). I actually don't mind the Sword... pretty easy to kill off in most cases.

I hate it when I go into the Team Hardcore Playlist and get Team Slayer BR (w/ No Duels)... It tries to solve all of the cheap things in the game: such as noob combo, plasma duels, etc. but then Rockets are still in the game. RL seems to be the main reason I die in matches that it's in.

  • 07.22.2007 6:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: ANTIHERO 29BRS
in my opinion, i do think the br is sorta cheap because its really no fun, in game of br only if ur walking and someone sees u first and they start shooting you ur dead, but with the smg and dual-wields it requires more skill, and the only reason everyone likes the br is the fact that the br is the easest way to kill someone, thank god that bungie has changed all that crap in halo 3.


Its obvious like most kids who cant BR properly they complain that with a br whoever gets first shot wins. If you were any good at the game you would understand that the br is one of the weapons that actually takes skill, and precise aim to get kills with. If you lack the ability to use this weapon properly then please go practice. There have been many times when enemies get the first shot on me but due to a lack of aim and overall skill they are quickly eliminated. So please dont trash a weapon that you clearly cant use, especially when you promote dual wields as being a weapon that requires skill to use.

  • 07.23.2007 9:19 AM PDT
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I know where the people that are against it are coming from. But
1. taking it off mm wont happen.
2. your the person who swaps a br for two smgs.
3. You dont like it because it takes skill to use and peopl use its glitches to your disadvantage and you dont use them back.

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  • 07.23.2007 9:24 AM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54 | Master Forum Ninja |
You're asking people to state which non-released game they like better?

It's like asking a virgin whether they like being on top or on bottom.

Buddy, this is not the cheapest weapon in the game, next to the sniper it takes more skill than any other weapon in the game to use. You, apparently, can't use it well. You probably stand still with a sniper, and run around with duel's (Duel Wieldable guns) all day. Well here, below, is normally what I post in button glitching threads. But all button glitches deal with a BR. So I think it's appropriate. If you are a good BR user, you have to consider all the information I have posted below really fast. The BR is not a cheap weapon, if it was than pro's like Team Final Boss wouldn't be allowed to compete in the MLG Pro Circuit with it.


Posted by: sk8r13 09
I feel, in my opinion, that button glitching is fine to do in matchmakeing. Like some people feel, I believe it is like playing a fighting game, and the button glitches are just hard to do combos. If you say it takes no skill to do a Excessive Shot, Double Shot, and Quad Shot than you are sadly mistaken(I do think BXR and BXB are pretty easy to do.) I don't have to do any of the button glitches to win a match, and I still do very well without them. And for the people who think it is cheating(Like Bungie). All I have to say is," Why is superbouncing not cheating, but button glitches are?" "They both are things that exploit flaws in the game, everyone can do them, and you don't need to buy excess hardware to make them work(Via Modding)." So why should they be cheating, when other glitches in matchmakeing aren't?

Button glitches do not make you good. Anyone who button glitches can probably own while regular shooting. They just need to take it to the next level. It's way harder to do the gltich than most people think. And the people who complain about it are the ones who can't do it. It takes just as much skill to do the button glitch and fire at the person than it does to just shoot. It takes more concentration to do the glitch and better aim.



"I don't really Quad Shot that much compared to a regular Double Shot. Instead of a Double Shot-YY-Double Shot,RRX-YY-RRX(Quad Shot). I perfer the "Shot Shot Double Shot."( R-R-RRX) I find the the "Shot Shot Double Shot" has a higher success rate than a Quad, because you are less likely to miss some of your headshots. And if you are good, but not amazing at a Quad Shot(Like myself), then you will have the occasional screw up on the first Double Shot. And most players would be killed in this instance because they were previously taking fire. Now, because you might have screwed up your first Double Shot in the Quad Shot, you now have to run behind a corner. This is where you make a decision; Should you stay there, reaload, and wait for the other player to pop around the corner so you can BXR/BXB him? Or you could try to make a tactical manuever by sneaking around him for the assasination. Or the last thing you could do is suprise by doing an Excessive Shot,BRX-RRX-BRX-RRX(Triple Shot). That would catch him completely off gaurd."






That is a quote by me. Now that might all be running through the normal button glitchers head at the moment you are attacking. Now if you think it takes no skill to do a button glitch, then I would like to you Excessive Shot, or Quad while fighting your opponent. It's a little harder to do, I think, than you people who just pull the R trigger. We, button glitchers, have to push multiple buttons and pull the R trigger in under a second to make one shot work(Double Shot, BXR, and BXB) You non button glitchers are just having to push R trigger every half second. We have to do most of our Quad's and Excessives in under that to make them work correctly. That, my friends, takes way more skill than pulling a trigger, and it takes more concentration and more skill to pull off those button glitches.

One thing that is stupid that I hate about regular open area BR'ing is, it's a whoever shoots first wins. Maybe if there is cover around you can hide and the pull off a four shot on the guys head from a suprise jumping strife. But if you were to say button glitch after he fired off two shots, he might be damaged and forced to retreat, giving you some time to heal, or he could be dead. It's no longer a shoot first win first situation. It's a "Who has more skill?"

And also for the people who button glitch. They are always trying to fight other button glitchers. This makes it really hard, because if both of you are glitching than it's an even battle. But one Double Shot can turn the whole thing around. Now a button glitcher has to look out for people more. If he see's someone he has to make a decision. "Should I fire at him, or wait for him to come here. Because he could turn around and Quad me when I'm only going to fire a Double Shot. Maybe if I hide I can pull of a BXR. But he might see me and do it before me. Maybe I should wait for a teamate, but he might know that, and tell one of his teamates to flank us and shoot us from behind while he Double Shots us. If he shot a regular shot I could live, but that's a maybe" That is running through the mind of a button glitcher. You non-button glitchers should think like that, but you don't because you expect him to play as you do. But he might not. So you get mad in the game and yell and scream "Cheater!" While you, yourself, have probably superbounced in that match and was just killed while you were up there. You darn glitcher.


[quote]Posted by: PLU x Scar
Nothing in Halo 2 is cheap, the game is balanced when configured correctly. There are plenty of ways to combat every weapon and combination of weapons.
Let's start with the BR. It is the most balanced weapon in the game. Great medium range, and decent long and short range. It is the core of the balance in Halo 2. To combat the BR from short range you can use the Sword, Shotgun, or a dual wield. These three weapons/combinations were meant for short range combat, and are poor in long and medium range combat. A BR can take any of these down easily at medium range. But, try taking down a plasma rifle/SMG combo from close range with a BR. Chances are you won't be able to if the players are of roughly equal skill level. From long range, the Sniper is able to defeat the BR quite easily, again assuming roughly equal skill levels. A sniper can be defeated much the same as a BR can be defeated. The BR is "overpowered" when only one or two players have one, and the game is set up with SMG spawns. Many of you are complaining that there are too many BRs on most maps, but, in fact, this is exactly the opposite of the problem. There are too few BRs on most maps to actively combat someone with a BR. Ascension, Midship and Lockout are prime examples of this problem. With more BR spawns on the map it would be easier for you to get one when your opponent has one.
Examining the rest of the power weapons (Rockets and The Combo) also shows that the game is balanced and not cheap. The Rockets are a fast kill and are fairly easy to use, but they have limited ammo and generally don't perform well past short-medium range. The best way to get past rockets are to either snipe the rocket holder, catch him by surprise, or keep your distance and BR him. The Combo is generally considered to be the cheapest part of the game from my experience, but the biggest drawback of The Combo is the fact that it takes two weapon slots to use. This gives a devastating medium range attack and a pretty good close range attack (plasma then beatdown), but is very poor long range. It also gives away your position from the glow, and if the plasma misses you will most likely be behind in the firefight and unable to catch up (equal skill assumed).
The key to everything in Halo 2 is knowledge. With the right knowledge of the weapons and levels it is possible to overcome most scenarios. Much of this also depends on the configuration of the gametype, however. With SMG starts on certain levels (Ascension) it is very difficult to come back from a defecit when the other team knows how to control the map. With a BR start on the same level, it is much more balanced and harder to control the level. It is still useful to pick up an SMG even with a BR start. If you plan on being in a short range scenario then a dual wield is your best friend other than a short range power weapon. An SMG is also much more effective at taking a Banshee down. Certain weapons are meant to give an advantage to the player using them, but most of the time it can be countered with the correct knowledge. Halo 2 is much more about knowledge, situational weapon choice and teamwork than it is about any particular weapon being cheap and overpowered. Without the BR or Carbine in Halo 2 the game would have no good medium range weapon, and the power weapons would truly be overpowered. If Halo 2 were a one-dimensional game there would only be one type of weapon. By having the duals, the BR/Carbine, and the power weapons Halo 2 becomes a highly complex game of quick decision making. Taking anything out would result in a worse game that was unbalanced and boring.

Also, on a side note, the button glitches (BXR, doubleshot, double melee, etc.) are not intended portions of the game and can make it slightly unfair when an expert uses them, but they are here to stay in Halo 2 and also have ways to counter them (but more difficult). I use them to my advantage, but would prefer if they were not in the game.


These are two posts posted by PLU x Scar and I, they make very good points please consider them.

  • 07.23.2007 9:31 AM PDT

Posted by: TMarsVolta
The Battle Riffle aka BR is the cheapest weapon in Halo 2 and should be taken out of matchmaking. It is the most glitchiest weapon ever, making it the cheapest. We all know the BR takes the fun out of Halo 2 Online, so let's get the SMG back to starting weapon and take out the BR completely. Remember the good ol' days with SMG start, best med. range weapon ever. LET'S DO IT FOR THE SMG!

The BR should be removed from matchmaking and the SMG is a medium range weapon. Ha. Ha. Ha.

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i really cant believe that im reading this. Thats pretty much as bad as the guy that said they should ban people that are lvl 10-15 becuase they are not "good enough players" Yes you might have a good argument (which i havent seen), but people could and have been saying the same thing about the sword, the sniper rifle (my favorite =]), and the rocket, and noob combo. When you break it down, anything can be considered cheap. Ive been told in games that all my kills were from the smg dual-weilded with a pistol... because its reletivly strong. Please stop posting that things should be removed from the game! Halo 3 is coming out soon, and there would really be no reason to modify halo 2...

edit: and whats this about a medium ranged smg? Dude we gotta play some time... mine only shoots like short and even shorter. lol

Morder

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dude just because you suck using it doesnt mean anything anyone here can vouch for me when i say that the BR is the second best weapon next to my god friend MR sniper rifle so what if it glitches suck it up and learn them and use them to ur advantage

  • 07.23.2007 9:58 AM PDT
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You are either joking or you are just really bad at halo 2. You say that you shoot them 10 times and they don't die. Well, I think you're missing your shots there buddy. The BR is not going anywhere and the SMG sucks. If you don't like the BR, then why is MLG on your gamercard? What a joke.

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  • 07.23.2007 10:35 AM PDT
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okay kid are you stupid you must by completey garbage the br is the most fairest weapon in the game of course thier glitches everygame has glitches you need to go drown in the shower and if you wanna talk so much play 1v1 str8 br and ikkno you wouldnt even play me -blam!- go hang you self

  • 07.23.2007 12:35 PM PDT
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You are kidding me right? The BR should be the starting weapon for every single gametype, period. It is the most useful and fair weapon in all of Halo 2? just because you suck and you can't aim or strafe doesn't mean the BR is cheap. It just takes skill.

I think duel-wielding should be taken out of Matchmaking entirely. It is turely cheap, stupid, and requires no skill whatsoever.

  • 07.23.2007 12:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: MLG PulseR
I think duel-wielding should be taken out of Matchmaking entirely. It is turely cheap, stupid, and requires no skill whatsoever.

Thats almost funnier than the OP's statements

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  • 07.23.2007 1:04 PM PDT
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OMG you fukin BK go cry more noob ur just jealouse cause you suk at halo and cant use a Br and you are used to rockets and sword cause u like only usin 1 button like Viva pinata.the only game u are good at...if u dont like Br dont get all upset cause u cant hit some one 4 times if ou where good at all you wouldnt get close enough to get Bxrd Nub and callin it the most Glitchiest weapon is a lie you can do all those glitches with a pistol Cept double shot but that dosent matter cause you and ur crappy friends prolly dont know how to do it any way...so if you reply to this lol cause i dont care cause i dont talk to Bk's...and if you still wanna QQ cause you cant use Rockets or Sword in on spawns in MM then go play viva pinata....drown in a shower while the water is turned off...so thats all im gonna say to you noob.. and considering this post you dont get Br spawn alot whe u play cause you can only play TT..so if you wanna sux more go get rockets and CRY and have a seizure from all the SMg games u play......NUB

  • 07.23.2007 1:09 PM PDT
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My advice... Use the BR against em!

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Posted by: MLG EVOLVED
OMG you fukin BK go cry more noob ur just jealouse cause you suk at halo and cant use a Br and you are used to rockets and sword cause u like only usin 1 button like Viva pinata.the only game u are good at...if u dont like Br dont get all upset cause u cant hit some one 4 times if ou where good at all you wouldnt get close enough to get Bxrd Nub and callin it the most Glitchiest weapon is a lie you can do all those glitches with a pistol Cept double shot but that dosent matter cause you and ur crappy friends prolly dont know how to do it any way...so if you reply to this lol cause i dont care cause i dont talk to Bk's...and if you still wanna QQ cause you cant use Rockets or Sword in on spawns in MM then go play viva pinata....drown in a shower while the water is turned off...so thats all im gonna say to you noob.. and considering this post you dont get Br spawn alot whe u play cause you can only play TT..so if you wanna sux more go get rockets and CRY and have a seizure from all the SMg games u play......NUB


OMG, Are you what they call a "Good Kid"?

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do u even knw who that is u big noob hes from GV

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Posted by: Da_Alchemist
do u even knw who that is u big noob hes from GV

He looks like an elitist with a dick for a head. Am I missing something?

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  • 07.23.2007 1:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: TMarsVolta
The Battle Riffle aka BR is the cheapest weapon in Halo 2 and should be taken out of matchmaking. It is the most glitchiest weapon ever, making it the cheapest. We all know the BR takes the fun out of Halo 2 Online, so let's get the SMG back to starting weapon and take out the BR completely. Remember the good ol' days with SMG start, best med. range weapon ever. LET'S DO IT FOR THE SMG!

HELLL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what are you on the BR is awesome by far the Rockets and the sword are the cheapest weapons along with the nub combo (well... not really)

WTF! ya the n00b combo is the cheapest weapon (combo) in the game!

  • 07.23.2007 1:42 PM PDT
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this is a dumb argument. thats like saying take the pistol out in H1 cause its too powerful. its dumb. the BR is the core weapon of the game. on every level the people that i play against or wtih rush for BR first(this is saying if i actually play something other than hardcore, and yes i realize there are powere weapons that are rushed first but in general) i have almost given up on slayer cause of SMG spawn. how fun is it when another team controls every power just to get spawned raped. with BR you have a fighting chance no matter the situation.

  • 07.23.2007 1:57 PM PDT
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wow, who resurrected this retards thread.

  • 07.23.2007 2:02 PM PDT
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I thought this was bashing the PP thread..but I dunno anymore.

  • 07.23.2007 2:02 PM PDT