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Subject: Take the Battle Rifle Out of Matchmaking Entirely
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Either you are using reverse cycolygy or you just hate switching to the BR in a certain combo, noting that PP/SMG combo can be quicker. THE BR IS THE BEST WEAPON. Besides, it doesn't glitch anymore than the SMG does anyways. The rectile for the SMG does not show red at all on what is normal range for a medium range weapon, meaning it does way less damage there than it the target were 4 feet closer.

  • 07.23.2007 2:02 PM PDT
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If bungie was to take out the BR forever... then what would happen to team swat??? its part of matchmaking too, and that would mean there would be only one weapon left for team swat, if that was to be, then what would be the point of having team swat at all??? The BR makes halo and it makes team swat

BR FTW!!!!!!!

  • 07.23.2007 2:59 PM PDT
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OK, so as I see it, there aren't too many competitive gamers in this thread. All you guys do, from what I read, is play MMing all day and that's it. Personally, I have no problem with that. You want to have fun, have fun, but don't trash a perfectly good gun. You guys probably have some "code of honor" that doesn't allow you to glitch, even if they're completely fair, or use certain weapons--although you'll probably readily hop on sword or RL when given the chance. Those take "skill," I guess. Right...

A BR start is the most used competitive gun start for MLGers, or any real competitive community. A double shot takes time to learn, master, and finally, aim. BXRs are easy, so anyone can do them, yet you don't and cry foul when someone uses it against you. BXB is completely legit. It changes outcomes of fights that would otherwise be impossible--same for the BXR and BXB. Yet, most people who cry foul at a BXR would readily super jump on Lockout, then trash talk you after they nearly lose. It takes four shots to kill someone with a BR, and once mastered, can be used at nearly any range. It gives people a fair chance off-spawn to kill any weapon, but doesn't become the only weapon one would use when they bring their "A-game."

To anyone "challenging" this post, I don't play Halo 2 anymore. I play Shadowrun and Halo: CE. (Yes, I do want the old pistol brought back!) Plus, 1v1s, especially on any map other than Warlock (And, due to the community I'm dealing with, I'll push it to Lockout.), don't prove anything. It's online, it has lag, and an immense host advantage. Challenge me all you like, I haven't played in months. I've never accepted a 1v1 challenge, anyhow.

  • 07.24.2007 2:36 PM PDT
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why complain about a good mid range weapon the battle rifle and carbine are designed for mid range, smgs and plasma rifles were designed fpr a more closer approach and the Shotguns and sword for the xtreme close range with snipers for the xtreme long range.
back to the point if you dont like the weapon so much make custom games and dont have the battle rifle in the weapon set

  • 07.24.2007 2:44 PM PDT
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  • 07.24.2007 2:46 PM PDT
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at the end of the day people complain about a weapon because there crap at using it or they keep getting beaten by someone that knows how to use it better, i mean ffs its only a game

  • 07.24.2007 3:04 PM PDT
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after all im crap with the sword or a plasma pistol + X combo but im not saying "BAN THE SWORD AND DUELS HECK WHILE WE'RE AT IT BAN THE PLASMA PISTOL TOO" if you dont like em dont use em, if you hate em well as i said in a previous post play a custom game and dont have them in.

ive read through all of the posts people complaining about this weapon or that weapon but if you dont know how to utilise the weapon to its full potential and cant be bothered to learn thats your problem.

when i started playing online i hated the Battle Rifle but the more i played the more i enjoyed it

  • 07.24.2007 3:21 PM PDT

LOL @ this thread.

  • 07.25.2007 12:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: blueterroR
LOL @ this thread.

and its mom.

  • 07.25.2007 12:42 PM PDT
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wow.... you say to nuke the br but u have played the most of ur matchmaking games in hardcore durrrrr

  • 07.25.2007 1:11 PM PDT
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This idea is just laughable. There are so many aspects of the game tied directly to the battle rifle. What happens when you see someone across lockout? Do you just wait until you get within 5 feet of him until you start smging him to death?

  • 07.25.2007 1:44 PM PDT
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the BR is my favorite weapon in halo 2. i have not ever found it to be glitchy or cheap. if everyone has it as a starting weapon, then everyone has an equal chance of being cheaply killed by it, so i don't see why you think it is cheap.

  • 07.25.2007 2:03 PM PDT
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If you can't realize that the BR gives you a higher survivability rate compared to an SMG start weapon, You're stupid. Now, taking it out entirely would remove the only gun that allows you to have a chance to live against all power weapons. The carbine is garbage.

  • 07.25.2007 2:04 PM PDT
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Just because you suck doesn't mean blame the BR, blame yourself. do it, i want to see it. muhahaha

  • 07.25.2007 3:01 PM PDT

John 3:16

Don't judge people for selfish reasons. You wouldn't like it if you got "raped" by better people and called you trash because your score was 11-12. It's ridiculous, I'm sure e can play at ya'lls level if you gave him time if he isn't already at it.

Concerning the topic, Here's the case.

SMG start is faulty in a number of ways.
- It's hard to survive against a team with equal or greater skill level
- Range is very limited and is useful only in close quarters combat.
- Beating someone with equal or greater skill level is very slim if your situation is single wield vs dual wield
- Re-capturing defended locations becomes much much harder, and your options are much slimmer (example: Team 2 controls rockets and sniper because of a good spawn, dual wielding isn't a viable choice for re-capturing well defended territory)
- Control of power weapons make battles effortless vs dual wielding
- You or your team, aren't' always fortunate enough to spawn near power weapons at the start of the game. Which means free kills for opposing teams.
- It takes less skill, since you have less options. Skill is best measured based on how a player or team uses their options.

The very existence of the BR as well as start adds a significant amount of dimensions to Halo's game play
- Power weapons, as well as power ups, are harder to pick up
- When re-capturing territory, you have more options than an SMG start
- Gives you a chance vs Power weapons, without overshadowing them
- Capturing positions become an asset, rather than a liability
- Dual wielding, if used, becomes safer and efficient for team effort in close quarters combat, and makes kill steals easier
- Because of it's range, you can defend other team mates better
- Power Weapon hogging doesn't become much of a nuisense

I've had a lot of experience with Halo, and trust me, SMG would mean power weapon hogging. Sword, sniper, rockets, you name it.

Whether it's SMG start, or no rifles, Dual wielding weapons are TOO WEAK to combat many situations that you will be plunged into when playing Halo. When you become a level 35+ in Team Slayer, "I was before the restart, a year ago that is" you will see the faults of an SMG start. Or a no BR game.

Dual wielding is one of my favorite things in Halo. And the SMG is my second favorite weapon. But as much as I love dual weilding, it will admit that it's just not sufficient enough because of it's lack of range and power when combating outside "melee sword and shotgun" range.

  • 07.25.2007 4:29 PM PDT
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the only thing that i dont like about the battle rifle is the glitch i can shot some body in the head as much as i want but as i sson as they see me they double shoot 3 times and im dead after the second

  • 07.25.2007 4:37 PM PDT
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How do I get the Bungie.Net symbol next to my name in Halo2?

  • 07.25.2007 4:39 PM PDT
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luckily i read in a article that in halo3 the br is way less powerfull so now every one is go na use the assualt rifle

  • 07.25.2007 4:42 PM PDT

John 3:16

Posted by: kryptons4life
luckily i read in a article that in halo3 the BR is way less powerful so now every one is gonna use the assualt rifle


Meh, more skillful you mean. the problem in Halo 2's BR was the auto-aim, not the power. Plus, the AR is too weak in terms of range.

  • 07.25.2007 5:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: MLG Mark
The carbine is garbage.

pfft...

  • 07.25.2007 5:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Janube Taso
I love how everyone here thinks this guy is a joke.

The lack of intelligent response to his original post is why this is the laughing stock of all Halo 2 discussions.

I'm great with the BR, and I still adhere to what I posted earlier in this thread.
I'm good at the game in general. And after more than 10,000 games, I can safely say that I hate the Battle rifle and the carbine. I think they put an element in the game that does not belong. They should still be there, but not nearly as powerful or accurate. Or their clips should be much more limited.

People immediately assume that this guy hates the BR because he's bad.
So narrow-minded.


Except you forgot the part where OP is a troll...

  • 07.25.2007 6:14 PM PDT

?????

SMG start means rushing for the weapons, sure the BR is one of those weapons, but if BR wasnt there then people would just whore rockets, sword, and especially sniper more often.

  • 07.25.2007 7:27 PM PDT
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"Yes, lets take out the br, infact lets take out every weapon except for the needler, and then change it so the needler shoots flowers at each other and who ever spreads the most loving sprees wins the game."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA people might as well say that. maybe u d ont like the Br cuz u suck and ur a noob. ever cross ur mind? duals are cheep too. you can hide around a corner and wait for someone to walk bye and just friggen drill them in the back. OMG FUN!!!!

  • 07.25.2007 8:33 PM PDT