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Subject: Desolation is probably the worst map I've ever seen, on any game.

Not only Desolation itself, it's the fact that Bungie ACTUALLY designed the map to be for "BR" or "Hardcore" lovers. Umm, ok? Did they even think?

The fact of the matter is that if you're host on Desolation, and you spawn with a Battle Rifle, you can hit anybody from anywhere. If they run, you throw a grenade into the predictable hallways and the unimaginative crevaces. It's easy being host on Desolation with a battle rifle, because the map is wide open, there's nowhere to hide if you're under fire, and as host you can blast anybody from anywhere, when nobody can effectively return fire on you.

If you're NOT host on Desolation, the BR only works well maybe up to 35 feet. After that, you might as well be spraying SMG fire at them - it's just about as effective, and a death wish if you're fighting against the host of the game.

So, wait. Let's review. Bungie.. developed a map that is DESIGNED to be used for BR starts. Well, that's all fine and great if the map isn't COMPLETELY dominated by the guy that has host, and totally pointless to have a battle rifle if you're anybody BUT the host.

Seriously Bungie, what the hell were you thinking!? What an absolutely pathetic excuse of a map. Remake sidewinder, or HELL, come up with a more original idea. Desolation is crap, and complete crap with BR starts - which means that you designed it to play like -blam!-. Good job.

[Edited on 06.26.2007 6:03 PM PDT]

  • 06.26.2007 6:02 PM PDT

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i agree on the map sucking, just not on the Bungie ridicules.

  • 06.26.2007 6:04 PM PDT

Why not? It's a terrible idea in concept, and clearly something they didn't think about at all. They are the originators of the map, so I'd think they should take the blame. The map didn't make itself.

  • 06.26.2007 6:05 PM PDT
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The worst map from any game is Pacman because its the same every time !!!

  • 06.26.2007 6:05 PM PDT

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Yeah, too bad Bungie didn't design the maps. Go and complain to Certain Affinity, I'm sure they'd love to delete your email.

  • 06.26.2007 6:07 PM PDT

Posted by: supercommiefu
Yeah, too bad Bungie didn't design the maps. Go and complain to Certain Affinity, I'm sure they'd love to delete your email.


They were former employees of Bungie, or as I understood, still an affiliate to them. It was still ultimately Bungie's idea to make the map, they just had some other dudes build the geometry for it.

  • 06.26.2007 6:08 PM PDT
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I am sorry, I had to disargee because I kinda like that map, I dont think it is crazy and overpowered host can pwned anyone, that is like impossible because For awhile, I played with my friends in there and it was pretty alots of close games and we can win or even lose in that map... It is not so bad map

  • 06.26.2007 6:10 PM PDT

Another huge gripe I have with this map is the fact that it's a square map, with 4 entrances to the center. Well, ok, any sensible game player would think "Hey, I bet this map has 4 bases. That means lots of cool objective games with more than 2 teams!". No. They still -blam!- it up and made it only 2, boring, unimaginative bases. What's their excuse for that? You're telling me that their best idea is to waste an entire half of the map to put nothing but a 100-foot wall with a single overshield and one change in the geometry (a slight indent in the wall)? Wow.

  • 06.26.2007 6:14 PM PDT

Only as bad as tombstone but you are right, far too much host. Playing against a skilled opponent on this map is impossible, it is too large they always out BR you. Both Tombstone and Desolation were interesting additions but they ultimately should be removed from matchmaking,

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I think damnation would have been a better map to remake than derelict.

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Posted by: unlucky17
Not only Desolation itself, it's the fact that Bungie ACTUALLY designed the map to be for "BR" or "Hardcore" lovers. Umm, ok? Did they even think?

The fact of the matter is that if you're host on Desolation, and you spawn with a Battle Rifle, you can hit anybody from anywhere.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt Desolation Map Default Starts?

Besides, there's like....1 or 2 BR on the map anyway. Dual wields will control the map since there are fewer BRs, and you'll get ripped apart with a BR, especially in RP.

  • 06.26.2007 7:21 PM PDT
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Host really isn't that big of a problem on Desolation. Just stay out of the middle. The sides have plenty of cover. every time I've played a BR start game on the map, host hasn't been a big deal. I've played customs with people way better than me, on their host, and just used good teamwork to counter it. Wait, this is actually how you counter host on every map.

IMO, Tombstone has a much bigger host problem, considering its not possible to actually get to the host without walking out in the open.

  • 06.26.2007 7:41 PM PDT
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To tell the truth, I'm not a big fan of either map, but I find Desolation to be far less enjotable. Micro$oft aint getting my 4 bucks.

  • 06.26.2007 7:53 PM PDT
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new maps blow ass. <-- now that sucks

  • 06.26.2007 7:54 PM PDT
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Wait, you're talking about Desolation? That map is great, just remember where the BRs spawn and you're golden. Now tombstone, that map is bad for all the reasons you think this one is.

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WTH why cant i download the new maps? someone plz help me, cuz it always says "transaction failed, please try again later" when the -blam!- is later?

  • 06.26.2007 8:46 PM PDT

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WTH why cant i download the new maps? someone plz help me, cuz it always says "transaction failed, please try again later" when the -blam!- is later?


That's not what we're talking about, numb nuts.


I agree, Unlucky.

  • 06.26.2007 9:06 PM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

It's a terrible and completely host dominated map. Every single competitive game I've played on that map always has the host a reasonable amount above the rest of the players. I've seen it quite a few times. Does Bungie and its ex-employees still believe that host advantage is just a lag thing and hype? Because it seems as if it was completely ignored during the creation of this map and Tombstone. Even on LAN, I doubt it'd be much fun. It's too disorienting and frustrating to be on the bottom part of the map. Very little skill or strategy involved - mostly a "right place, right time" map.

If it weren't for the fact that we need the two new maps for Matchmaking, I'd never have purchased them. I feel as if Bungie should be paying me to play on these maps.

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  • 06.26.2007 10:47 PM PDT
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I couldn't have put it better myself. If the other team has host on Desolation, you might as well just quit and save yourself the time. The host domination on this map even surpasses that of Elongation, which is saying a lot. If anyone is still doubtful, here is a game when I host on Team Slayer BR on Desolation, to show you how utterly ridiculous it is. http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo2.aspx?gameid=718497 584&player=x099x

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  • 06.27.2007 12:39 AM PDT
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Actually Tomestone was the "hardcore" of the two, thats why it actually has a BR default start unlike Desolation.

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Bungie didn't make Desolation, Certain Affinity did (same for Tombstone). While I agree that Desolation is the worst map in Halo 2 (but I still like it), it's not the worst map ever. Just to name a few maps that are worse: Derelict (the Halo Combat Evolved version of Desolation), Chiron TL 34 (probably the worst map in any game), Boneyard (from GRAW), and more. And btw, BRs are very effective on that map.

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Posted by: unlucky17
Not only Desolation itself, it's the fact that Bungie ACTUALLY designed the map to be for "BR" or "Hardcore" lovers. Umm, ok? Did they even think?

The fact of the matter is that if you're host on Desolation, and you spawn with a Battle Rifle, you can hit anybody from anywhere. If they run, you throw a grenade into the predictable hallways and the unimaginative crevaces. It's easy being host on Desolation with a battle rifle, because the map is wide open, there's nowhere to hide if you're under fire, and as host you can blast anybody from anywhere, when nobody can effectively return fire on you.

If you're NOT host on Desolation, the BR only works well maybe up to 35 feet. After that, you might as well be spraying SMG fire at them - it's just about as effective, and a death wish if you're fighting against the host of the game.

So, wait. Let's review. Bungie.. developed a map that is DESIGNED to be used for BR starts. Well, that's all fine and great if the map isn't COMPLETELY dominated by the guy that has host, and totally pointless to have a battle rifle if you're anybody BUT the host.

Seriously Bungie, what the hell were you thinking!? What an absolutely pathetic excuse of a map. Remake sidewinder, or HELL, come up with a more original idea. Desolation is crap, and complete crap with BR starts - which means that you designed it to play like -blam!-. Good job.


The map is fine and actually is probably one of my new favorites. First of all, if you suck so bad that you can't get the first kill once, then grab a shot gun and camp until they come to find you. Also, a well coordinated team can do excellent if one guy uses the sentinal beam to cut people's shields down, and another shoots them in the head to finish them off. Again, did you forget about the rockets? I dont think its possible to be bad with a rocket launcher.

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It's a terrible and completely host dominated map. Every single competitive game I've played on that map always has the host a reasonable amount above the rest of the players. I've seen it quite a few times. Does Bungie and its ex-employees still believe that host advantage is just a lag thing and hype? Because it seems as if it was completely ignored during the creation of this map and Tombstone. Even on LAN, I doubt it'd be much fun. It's too disorienting and frustrating to be on the bottom part of the map. Very little skill or strategy involved - mostly a "right place, right time" map.

If it weren't for the fact that we need the two new maps for Matchmaking, I'd never have purchased them. I feel as if Bungie should be paying me to play on these maps.


LOL epic post man :-)

Yeah the map is too open for my taste. Makes the battle into whoever has host sits back and puts shots on everything that moves, then the team mates finish it off.

Not really much you can do in terms of set ups. Fighting in the bottom isn't very fun. The intentions for this map were good, but the execution a bit flawed. It's actually a good thing this map isn't in team hardcore, despite the fact it's a "hardcore" oriented map.

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The worst map from any game is Pacman because its the same every time !!!


Good point

  • 06.27.2007 8:16 AM PDT
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The first sentence told me you don't have a -blam!- clue what you're talking about. Bungie didn't design these maps.

I didn't read anything else. Have a nice day.

  • 06.27.2007 8:55 AM PDT

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