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Subject: A Thought on Game Exploits

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  • 06.28.2007 10:23 PM PDT

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i never used to bxr, bxb, or double shot in mm, but i do it because just about everyone else does and dieing is no fun. i dont rely heavily upon it and i do realise it is considered cheating, but because of the peeople who use it all the time i find myself doing it instinctively when the situation presents itself.

  • 06.28.2007 10:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: SPARTAN 307

Also, on a side note, whenever i watch a MLG video and see the guy BXR-ing and RRX-ing. I always just shrug my shoulders and think of him of less of a skilled player for it. That if he/she was playing fair without glitching, and so was everyone else. Then it would be a lot sweeter when the out BR-ed some guy, or juked a guy through a beat-down. Do you think i'm wrong in those thoughts?

This doesnt really make any sense because RRX takes much more skill than RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. However, I am not going to argue with you because you (unlike most) managed to voice your opinion with out being a dick. And no, there is nothing wrong with your train of thought.

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  • 06.28.2007 10:35 PM PDT
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  • 06.28.2007 10:36 PM PDT
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  • 06.28.2007 10:42 PM PDT

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  • 06.28.2007 11:10 PM PDT

On the one hand, it's a new move to learn, master and apply in the right situations and so brings something new to the game. On the other, it's technically a cheat, and using it on people who won't be using it themselves - either because they don't know it or they follow the rules - is very weak indeed.

Basically if you're doing it with other people who are going to be using it it's just an extra dimension to the game which can be as valid as any other. If you do it in matchmaking it's kind of childish and stupid, like superbouncing. Some people like to tell themselves there's nothing wrong with it, but they only seem to hang on to that view while they are the ones doing it. I do love to hear a superbouncing child on my team squealing because a guy from the other team bounced with the sniper and he can't get up there himself.

The point is, when it is used fairly it's just another weapon in the arsenal, and when it's used unfairly it's a low and cheap trick which you have every right to call cheating.

  • 06.29.2007 3:01 AM PDT
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I just got XBL two months ago, before that, I only played in split screen and system link, which means I followed some honor rules which seemed to have been forgotten by everyone on XBL:
¤I don't glitch or superbounce
¤I don't quit when I'm losing
¤I don't noob combo
¤if I see someone spawn with their back turned to me, I turn around
¤if I'm whoring too much with a weapon, I drop it
¤when it's 4 on 1, I don't take the overshield and the rockets/sword

It's a game, it's meant to be fun. Too many people seem to have forgotten that :(
When I play, I want to win obviously, because winning is more fun than losing, but losing while playing fair is much more fun than BXRing your way up to a "victory" I don't get why people even put BXRs in their montages or gamertags, frankly, to whoever said BXR is harder than RRRRRR, it's the other way around. With BXR the guy is dead in a split second just like the noob combo, it doesn't take that much skill. With RRRRRR you have to aim to kill the guy before he kills you, now that takes a bit more skill.

At least Halo 3 will take care of 3 of the 6 points I listed above (no noob combo, BXR, or join-n-quit :D)

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  • 06.29.2007 3:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: Magni Harvald
I just got XBL two months ago, before that, I only played in split screen and system link, which means I followed some honor rules which seemed to have been forgotten by everyone on XBL:
¤I don't glitch or superbounce
¤I don't quit when I'm losing
¤I don't noob combo
¤if I see someone spawn with their back turned to me, I turn around
¤if I'm whoring too much with a weapon, I drop it
¤when it's 4 on 1, I don't take the overshield and the rockets/sword

It's a game, it's meant to be fun. Too many people seem to have forgotten that :(
When I play, I want to win obviously, because winning is more fun than losing, but losing while playing fair is much more fun than BXRing your way up to a "victory" I don't get why people even put BXRs in their montages or gamertags, frankly, to whoever said BXR is harder than RRRRRR, it's the other way around. With BXR the guy is dead in a split second just like the noob combo, it doesn't take that much skill. With RRRRRR you have to aim to kill the guy before he kills you, now that takes a bit more skill.

At least Halo 3 will take care of 3 of the 6 points I listed above (no noob combo, BXR, or join-n-quit :D)
oyu are right, i only sometimes super bounce, cause it is frekin sweet (not in matchmaking or 1 v 1) and i never try to button glitch. You are correct about how people have forgotten what the game was really about

  • 06.29.2007 6:24 AM PDT

Posted by: Magni Harvald
I don't get why people even put BXRs in their montages or gamertags, frankly, to whoever said BXR is harder than RRRRRR, it's the other way around.

To be fair the guy said RRX was harder, not BXR. RRX is a lot trickier to use properly.

  • 06.29.2007 6:29 AM PDT

Posted by: SPARTAN 307
I was just thinking while Beating down a guy on Halo 2 that tried to BXR me, that In my mind, people who BXR, BXB, RRX, and so on, always have been thought of as inferior players to me. Not inferior meaning that they suck at Halo, but in the sense that they have to use these exploits to kill me. So here i am asking the community a question. Do you think that I'm not allowing myself the advantage of battle by being a honest gamer and not using these exploits? Cause the way i see it is it's a glitch that gives the player a unfair advantage, just like super bouncing.

Now 3/4's of the community will say, "The MLG pro's use it, so it has to be fair". But the way i see it, is these people have a hard enough time competing and staying in the lead to not use it. I mean, they have to or else someone else will. So for them, using it is just leveling the playing field. And that's fine.

But one Live it's different. You have players of all different calibers, ranging from casual gamers to hardcore-yell-in-your-face gamers. So whenever someone uses it, i think, "Oh, this guy sucks so bad that he has to double shot me. That he can't fight me without glitching. That in a fair fight, I'd be the winner." And i know that the side with the advantage always wins. Just look at the Iraq war. We are using superior firepower to win it. And that's fine. We are not just going to use AK-47's and motors because it's fair, Hell no! We are going to bomb there ass with a Bunker Buster because it gets the job done simple and without any casualties.

But with a video game, glitching is unfair. It's basically super bouncing if you will. Some people use it to get a unfair advantage. But in a game like Halo, the fair advantage would be using your team mates, getting the superior firepower, etc.

What do you think about exploits/glitching in video games?

Also, on a side note, whenever i watch a MLG video and see the guy BXR-ing and RRX-ing. I always just shrug my shoulders and think of him of less of a skilled player for it. That if he/she was playing fair without glitching, and so was everyone else. Then it would be a lot sweeter when the out BR-ed some guy, or juked a guy through a beat-down. Do you think i'm wrong in those thoughts?


This guy. This guy right here. He's a smart guy.

I completely agree.

What's more difficult to do? Hit three buttons almost simultaneosly. Or sidestep an opponents melee, punch, back up, and grab a headshot.
Beating down someone after they miss a BXR is a very rewarding thing to do, especially if you follow it up saying, "Ha! he needed to BXR."

If you ever use a button glitch to make things easier for yourself, you are only helping to further break the game,

However, I have no wish to get into an arguement with any stubborn MLG supporters who only play THC and rifles on Lockout, have never dual wielded, and button glitch continuously.

  • 06.29.2007 6:36 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Im sure Iceman Assas1n will have his usual speil to say about this but im gonna go ahead and say it too.



All of the good MLG players out there already have good BR, tactics and teamwork. They dont "need" the glitches to kill you and there is a 99.999999% chance they were gonna -blam!- you anyway. The reason they do it against lower caliber players is because they dont want to "dull" their reaction times and tactics in close range. If they got into the habit of not taking every player seriously then their skills would start to decline and they would start getting killed more against the good players. When I play Training and BTB I still play hard (unless im not in the mood) because its a good warmup.

Button glitches dont make the player, they make the player even better than he already was. They are meant to be a last resort weapon. The good MLG players will usually only double and quad shotif they are down a shot and need to level the field. They will only BxR or BxB because someone is closed in on them and they dont wanna take the risk of that player getting a lucky melee or the other player pulling out a sword or shotgun. I treat each player that I go up against as if they were as good or better than me. Again, dont get jealous of the good MLG players or critisize unless youve been on the MLG side of the argument. Ive been on both sides of this argument and im telling you that if you gave them a chance, youd realize that the button glitches add a whole new dimension to the game. They change each senario and the way you have to approach each situation. In short, you have to think about more options and you have to come to a decision alot faster.

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Posted by: Magni Harvald
I just got XBL two months ago, before that, I only played in split screen and system link, which means I followed some honor rules which seemed to have been forgotten by everyone on XBL:
¤I don't glitch or superbounce
¤I don't quit when I'm losing
¤I don't noob combo
¤if I see someone spawn with their back turned to me, I turn around
¤if I'm whoring too much with a weapon, I drop it
¤when it's 4 on 1, I don't take the overshield and the rockets/sword

It's a game, it's meant to be fun. Too many people seem to have forgotten that :(
When I play, I want to win obviously, because winning is more fun than losing, but losing while playing fair is much more fun than BXRing your way up to a "victory" I don't get why people even put BXRs in their montages or gamertags, frankly, to whoever said BXR is harder than RRRRRR, it's the other way around. With BXR the guy is dead in a split second just like the noob combo, it doesn't take that much skill. With RRRRRR you have to aim to kill the guy before he kills you, now that takes a bit more skill.

At least Halo 3 will take care of 3 of the 6 points I listed above (no noob combo, BXR, or join-n-quit :D)


YES!

Hey OP, don't button glitch. I know it's only a game, but "keep your dignity."

  • 06.29.2007 8:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: KEVINBROCK
Im sure Iceman Assas1n will have his usual speil to say about this but im gonna go ahead and say it too.



All of the good MLG players out there already have good BR, tactics and teamwork. They dont "need" the glitches to kill you and there is a 99.999999% chance they were gonna -blam!- you anyway. The reason they do it against lower caliber players is because they dont want to "dull" their reaction times and tactics in close range. If they got into the habit of not taking every player seriously then their skills would start to decline and they would start getting killed more against the good players. When I play Training and BTB I still play hard (unless im not in the mood) because its a good warmup.

Button glitches dont make the player, they make the player even better than he already was. They are meant to be a last resort weapon. The good MLG players will usually only double and quad shotif they are down a shot and need to level the field. They will only BxR or BxB because someone is closed in on them and they dont wanna take the risk of that player getting a lucky melee or the other player pulling out a sword or shotgun. I treat each player that I go up against as if they were as good or better than me. Again, dont get jealous of the good MLG players or critisize unless youve been on the MLG side of the argument. Ive been on both sides of this argument and im telling you that if you gave them a chance, youd realize that the button glitches add a whole new dimension to the game. They change each senario and the way you have to approach each situation. In short, you have to think about more options and you have to come to a decision alot faster.


Ok, levelling the playing field would be the fact that they are a better player. BXR isn't meant to be anything, it was a glitch that Bungie and XBL say is cheating. That's part of Halo, getting in the first shot and getting the jump on the enemy(which isn't as easy as it may sound, the radar has a pretty big field). Why should I be able to accomplish this and then the guy say "Uh-oh. Sorry. Let me take a moment to regain myself so that this fair engagement is tipped in my favor."

And that whole part about, "They only do it if a player has closed in," most of the time it won't be a "lucky melee," it will be a melee they intended to give to that person. Now your using BXR to not only get a quick kill, but also to whore power weapons when someone who could kill the sword guy without button glitches could potentially get that weapon fair and squre.

So, you say you use BXR to kill a sword player (who is supposed to to kill a BR person at short range), get the sword and to keep the sword. -blam!-.

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The way I see it is that button glitches are VERY minor forms of cheating and its not gamebreaking. Superbounces have much more impact than button glitches.

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The only button glitch I use is XYY it shaves a little time off your reload and ot's become sorta' a nerves habit in games.

  • 06.29.2007 10:34 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

All I have to say is this.


The good MLG players out there would own you wither way. I hate to resort to saying that, but im tired of this argument. I had people talking about how if the BR people didnt BxR then dual weilders would own them in close range. I rarely ever get beaten by dual weilders in close range even without my glitches. I RARELY ever use them because it dosnet fit my style of play, however, I do support them and see their uses. You would too if youd just give it a try instead of riding your "bungie high horse". Maybe the game wasnt meant to be like this. Maybe you were meant to be a girl but came out a boy. It may not have been meant to happen, but it did....get used to it and embrace it or get beaten but either way, quit whining about it.

  • 06.29.2007 10:41 AM PDT

There was a man from Allentown who fed his son to death.
He calmly watched him gorge himself until his final breath.
And there he stood, surprised and shocked above his tiny frame.
He said: "I bear no blame for this. I only share his name!"

Don't do it in a game until it happens to you. That's my rule. I hate that stuff too, but I'm not going to get ripped off the whole game.

  • 06.29.2007 11:42 AM PDT

Just you use them yourself. They've become so widespread that everyone uses them that they are part of a normal game. Your just are gonna have to use them or have fun losing.

  • 06.29.2007 12:11 PM PDT

SiZe MaTtErS!!!!!

Button exploits have been around since halo 1 and i'm sure some will be found for halo 3.... Back in halo 1 if you didnt use backpack reload or double punch you were at a disadvantage... I never played online for halo1 and i still used these and everyone i played with did to. Face it the game has it there and it is going to be used your not less of a person just because you do something to make yourself better thats like saying i'm never going to work on my aim with the BR because i want to be the best duel wielder there is.... thats just dumb or saying i wont use the sword because you can lunge so far with it i will stick to the shotgun....


It just doesnt make sence to be in a tight hallway with the sword and let them kill you because they have a better close range weapon than you. Instead you use what you can with the weapon you have to kill them AKA the BXR. I just dont understand how so many people can be against it I never heard one person back in halo 1 days complain about back pack reload or double punch and now its all i hear about. (I still read forums online about halo 1 before i played any halo 2 online so i know what people were saying and thats how i learned the skills back then)

  • 06.29.2007 12:29 PM PDT

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