Halo 1 & 2 for PC
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I have just started playing Vista games, but i'm mainly a console gamer. I am a console gamer and used 2 be a level 33 Team Slayer in halo 2; therefore when I play Vista i want to use a controller. Why have the pc gamers been saying that they are better than console? When i play with a controller I almost always win. This also happens in Shadowrun. I enjoy playing Vista because it is different from Halo 2 because you only play custom games but when I'm playing a team slayer game and have 30 of my teams 35 kills and get booted because i'm using a controller I'm angry. So with Live coming out so Console and PC gamers play together I can only think that unless you are a absolute great PC player u r going to loose. I really thought at the start that the games between PC and console would be close but I was wrong. ;(

  • 07.01.2007 6:15 PM PDT
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Unfortunatly they give ppl who use a controler an advantage, Aim-bot.

  • 07.01.2007 6:20 PM PDT

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Consoles have a massive auto-aim, therefore it makes it easier to win. On a pc you have to be genuinely good to win and kill excellently. That is why control on pcs are way better than the consoles. And you get the best graphics capable and available to man.

  • 07.01.2007 6:21 PM PDT
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Consoles have auto aim which makes it really easy to hit a target thats why you were booted.

  • 07.01.2007 6:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: ericwtlaws
Consoles have auto aim which makes it really easy to hit a target thats why you were booted.
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  • 07.01.2007 6:27 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Sorry you got booted. I never saw this kind of thing coming, but it makes sense to me. On the other hand, I suck with a controller, so I have to assume some skill involved even with auto-aim.

  • 07.01.2007 6:47 PM PDT

I have a stupid question.
If you use a controller on h2vista is there still auto-aim

  • 07.02.2007 11:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Consoles have a massive auto-aim, therefore it makes it easier to win. On a pc you have to be genuinely good to win and kill excellently. That is why control on pcs are way better than the consoles. And you get the best graphics capable and available to man.


Well, um, when playing on console, everyone has that advantage, but I see what you mean. In Halo 2, a random noob can always kill you (not that it will happen a lot, but it can happen).

But one thing about your post really bugged me...
"Kill excellently"?
Sounds like a bad Japanese translation >:P.

  • 07.02.2007 11:11 AM PDT
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the auto aim really isnt that big and doesnt make u much better its more for the people that arent really good. for level 50s in halo the auto aim doesnt help and im sure if they had the choice would take it off for more fun and challenge. like i said the auto aim is for the more casual xbox gamer.

  • 07.02.2007 11:13 AM PDT

Personally I prefer less auto aim more like the Halo 3 beta auto aim.
After playing the beta I couldn't play halo 2 because of the auto aim

  • 07.02.2007 11:37 AM PDT
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By mysticchampion: the auto aim really isnt that big and doesnt make u much better its more for the people that arent really good. for level 50s in halo the auto aim doesnt help and im sure if they had the choice would take it off for more fun and challenge. like i said the auto aim is for the more casual xbox gamer.

You haven't played H2X on LIVE much, have you?

Anyway, the only reason you're doing so well with a controller is because, when you use a controller on H2 Vista, you get the same level of auto-aim you get on Xbox, which is a huge advantage. Keyboard and mouse users get no auto-aim on H2 Vista. That's just the way HG programmed it. If there was a patch released that took away auto-aim from controller users, keyboard and mouse users would eat controller users for breakfast. Or, if they gave kb/m users auto-aim, you would see nothing but 4sks and headshot snipes from them.

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Posted by: The 3rd Chief
I have just started playing Vista games, but i'm mainly a console gamer. I am a console gamer and used 2 be a level 33 Team Slayer in halo 2; therefore when I play Vista i want to use a controller. Why have the pc gamers been saying that they are better than console? When i play with a controller I almost always win. This also happens in Shadowrun. I enjoy playing Vista because it is different from Halo 2 because you only play custom games but when I'm playing a team slayer game and have 30 of my teams 35 kills and get booted because i'm using a controller I'm angry. So with Live coming out so Console and PC gamers play together I can only think that unless you are a absolute great PC player u r going to loose. I really thought at the start that the games between PC and console would be close but I was wrong. ;(


Try playing Halo 1 PC vs. someone like me. I'll be willing to bet you my genitalia that I would win, because I've never lost one v. one in 3 years against anyone with a mouse/kb - much less a controller.

  • 07.02.2007 12:14 PM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

Not this argument again.

The aim assist is not that strong in Halo 2 for xbox or PC!

And besides, point and click is not my idea of skill.

  • 07.02.2007 8:36 PM PDT

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But having the computer aim for you is?

  • 07.02.2007 10:37 PM PDT

It amuses me how the same people talk about how much better and accurate it is to aim with mouse-look, and also complain about control pads with aim-assist having an advantage. Sorry ladies, you can't talk about how great your cake is AND eat it.

Consoles and PCs are capable of offering different kinds of gaming experience. It's a case of each to their own, though the console can harbour more dumbasses and the PC can harbour more elitist whiners.

  • 07.03.2007 3:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
It amuses me how the same people talk about how much better and accurate it is to aim with mouse-look, and also complain about control pads with aim-assist having an advantage. Sorry ladies, you can't talk about how great your cake is AND eat it.

Consoles and PCs are capable of offering different kinds of gaming experience. It's a case of each to their own, though the console can harbour more dumbasses and the PC can harbour more elitist whiners.


QFT!!

All I ever hear about is how much more acurate and better mouse and keyboard are. If they are so great, you should be able to beat a person using the controller. Also if it weren't for all those contoller using "noobs", you wouldn't even have H2 for Vista.

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Posted by: Nomaderwho
QFT!!

All I ever hear about is how much more acurate and better mouse and keyboard are. If they are so great, you should be able to beat a person using the controller.


You obviously don't get the point. A person using a keyboard and mouse CAN beat a person using a controller if he/she wasn't using auto-aim.

Controllers are for consoles, if they want to enable auto-aim for controllers on a console, go right ahead, but a PC is NOT a console, it will never be a console so they should not bring auto-aim enabled controllers to a PC "unless" the auto-aim is enabled for ALL gaming input devices (controllers - mouse and keyboard etc).

Just because the typical "noob" can handle a mouse and keyboard better than a controller doesn't mean they should enable auto-aim for the controllers. It's not the gamers fault for being able to use a keyboard and mouse better than a controller, I don't know why Hire Gun or Microsoft or whoever allowed controllers to use auto-aim are doing, but turning a PC into a console is just ridiculous, what are they gaining from this.

Come to think of it, I bet the developers, or the people who enabled auto-aim for controllers use controllers themselves and feel ashamed by getting beaten by a typical "noob" using a mouse and keyboard, so they decided to enable auto-aim to make them feel like the better player.

-blam!- noobs

  • 07.03.2007 5:10 AM PDT

Posted by: Fake
You obviously don't get the point. A person using a keyboard and mouse CAN beat a person using a controller if he/she wasn't using auto-aim.

What, and they can't when they do have auto-aim?

Controllers are for consoles, if they want to enable auto-aim for controllers on a console, go right ahead, but a PC is NOT a console, it will never be a console so they should not bring auto-aim enabled controllers to a PC "unless" the auto-aim is enabled for ALL gaming input devices (controllers - mouse and keyboard etc).
Why? Is the ability to move the reticle in an absolute fashion (mouse) rather than a relative one (joypad) enabled on all gaming input devices? No, I don't think it is.

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Posted by: RhythmKiller

What, and they can't when they do have auto-aim?


Sure they can, it's just increasingly harder. Like I said, a typical "noob" can play better with a mouse and keyboard better than a typical "noob" using a controller. But once a typical "noob" using a controller has auto-aim enabled, that changes everything.

I can see your not a PC gamer, so I'll try and finish it here;

In the PC world of gaming auto-aim is classified as a hack and is frowned upon which is why people get banned from servers. Hackers are always trying to find hacks for games which gives them the upper hand (an unfair advantage), which is exactly what they have done with the controllers. People like myself hate hackers or people who have access to hacks (like auto-aim for the controllers, mouse and keyboard etc).

Now, if your using a controller with auto-aim and you get kicked from a server, its your own problem and shouldn't take it out on the server admin or whoever kicked you. You wouldn't like it once people make a program for H2V which enables auto-aim for the mouse and keyboard would you? no, i didn't think so.

  • 07.03.2007 6:43 AM PDT

No one likes a smart ass.....especially another smart ass!

I'd still use the controller even if there was no aim assist. And I would still come in at the top or near the top of my team in kills. I played Halo PC with a controller the whole time and continuously finished at the top or near the top. Aim assist only helps those that can't keep the reticule on the guys head. To me, I think the whole this is just an excuse to -blam!-. H2 for the 360 had people using keyboard and mouse and you didn't see me complaining.

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Posted by: Nomaderwho
Aim assist only helps those that can't keep the reticule on the guys head.


Than in that case you should agree that there should be an auto-aim for a mouse and keyboard for those people who can't keep the reticule on the guys head? But thats not the case, so much for equality. And not to mention its not enabled just for those who need assistance, but for everyone using a controller "noobs" to "pros"
Also don't forget that the sensitivity is also optimized for the controller and not the mouse. Its rather slow on the mouse which once again gives users using a controller more advantage. (and don't say you can turn the sensitivity up, because I've tried that, turned it up max "10" and its still slow.)

All I can say for those using a controller is that when auto-aim hack is created for mouse and keyboard (not that I would be for it), don't complain about unfair advantages, cause you obviously don't want us to complain about auto-aim for the controllers.

  • 07.03.2007 7:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller

What, and they can't when they do have auto-aim?


Sure they can, it's just increasingly harder. Like I said, a typical "noob" can play better with a mouse and keyboard better than a typical "noob" using a controller. But once a typical "noob" using a controller has auto-aim enabled, that changes everything.

How so? You said that they will still be beaten. So nothing is changed.

I can see your not a PC gamer, so I'll try and finish it here;

In the PC world of gaming auto-aim is classified as a hack and is frowned upon which is why people get banned from servers. Hackers are always trying to find hacks for games which gives them the upper hand (an unfair advantage), which is exactly what they have done with the controllers. People like myself hate hackers or people who have access to hacks (like auto-aim for the controllers, mouse and keyboard etc).

But it’s not an unfair advantage. Mouselook is easier to aim with, so therefore they (the developer, not hackers) add assistance to the joypad to even the playing field. You can’t claim that mouse is better, then complain that the joypad has an unfair advantage. Hackers don’t have anything to do with it – aim-assist for control sticks is a mechanic that’s been present in console FPS foreve. Now, auto-aim on a mouse... that’s a different matter and you know it.

Now, if your using a controller with auto-aim and you get kicked from a server, its your own problem and shouldn't take it out on the server admin or whoever kicked you. You wouldn't like it once people make a program for H2V which enables auto-aim for the mouse and keyboard would you? no, i didn't think so.
A bit of aim-assistance for control sticks is nothing like an illegal aimbot for mouse which does the work for you, and I’m sure you know that.

As far as I can make out, you tell me mouse is better; that a mouse player will beat a joypad player whether they have aim-assist or not; but for some reason you say the joypad player is being given an unfair advantage. It just doesn’t fly.

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
How so? You said that they will still be beaten. So nothing is changed.


You didn't understand my statement. I meant that Its not impossible to kill someone using a controller using auto-aim, but its increasingly harder. Where a typical "noob" using a mouse has more chances of winning a match over a typical "noob" using a controller without auto-aim. The events completely change when that typical "noob" using a controller HAS auto-aim, he has 'more' chances of winning a match.

But it’s not an unfair advantage. Mouselook is easier to aim with, so therefore they (the developer, not hackers) add assistance to the joypad to even the playing field. You can’t claim that mouse is better, then complain that the joypad has an unfair advantage.

I can if they are using auto-aim. And the mouse look for H2V is ridiculous, its slow and un-optimized for the mouse, Its not hard to see its optimized for the controller so yet another advantage.

Hackers don’t have anything to do with it – aim-assist for control sticks is a mechanic that’s been present in console FPS foreve.

Now this is where YOU stuffed up big time. THIS IS A PC NOT A CONSOLE, THERE IS NO NEED FOR AIM ASSIST FOR PC's

A bit of aim-assistance for control sticks is nothing like an illegal aimbot for mouse which does the work for you, and I’m sure you know that.

Obviously you've never used an aim-bot. Well I have (and hated it). It works almost completely the same way as a controller with auto-aim, only where a controller uses auto-aim when your reticule is close to the enemy , an auto-aim hack for mouse can lock onto the enemies head when your not directly looking at him. But you must do this with a combination key so it requires skill (not much of cause). So if a hacker makes an auto-aim for the mouse that works the same way as a controller (have to actually aim near the enemy for it to lock on) than that should even the odds.

As far as I can make out, you tell me mouse is better; that a mouse player will beat a joypad player whether they have aim-assist or not; but for some reason you say the joypad player is being given an unfair advantage. It just doesn’t fly.

I don't remember saying that at all. I do admit a mouse is better, I do admit a mouse is easier to use, I do admit its easier to learn on a mouse, And I do admit that a person has a better chances of winning using a mouse than a controller WITHOUT an aim-bot. But not once did I mention that a person has a better chance of winning with a mouse against someone using a controller with auto-aim.

  • 07.03.2007 8:18 AM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Posted by: AfroMan117
But one thing about your post really bugged me...
"Kill excellently"?
Sounds like a bad Japanese translation >:P.

It's still proper english though.

  • 07.03.2007 9:05 AM PDT

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I personally prefer the Xbox 360 controller over the Keyboard/mouse combo. A Keyboard and mouse isn't pressure sensitive where as with a controller you can move at any speed you want. Plus the controller is more ergonomic.

  • 07.03.2007 9:32 AM PDT