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Posted by: Beowul7
Let's recap things for a moment, too. A guy playing with a controller comes and complains of getting booted out of a server for using auto-aim. Yet some people explain why it is, and then you come and start bashing these facts to replace them with fancy words.

There is only one issue I am concerned with here, and it is the perception I observed that aim-assist for control sticks gives an unfair advantage. Nothing else. My comment on elitist whiners on one side and dumbasses on the other was an even-handed comment on the negative elements in both communities, without reference to the topic. Read it again if you don’t believe me.

You're quite smart when it comes to changing and fixing subjects to your pleasure. I mean, you just said, or wrote, that Fake was telling you what to do, and that he had his own false ideals. Come on, please don't bull-blam!- us with all those words coming right from the dictionary.
It’s only called having a vocabulary mate. I would say ‘I’m sorry if you don’t like it’ but hey, I’d be lying. I use the most exact word I know to convey my exact meaning at any time. I challenge you to find anything I said that was ambiguous or deliberately confusing. There’s nothing there but plain meaning.

And sticking to the subject more, it is true that people on the XBox utilizing a keyboard and a mouse got a auto-aim, however, it was NOT supported, while the controller is supported in H2V, and I do give you that, Rythm. And lastly, but not least said, you, technically, should be using a keyboard and a mouse, not a controller. Not in an imperative way of saying, and Fake did not mean it in such a way either. Face the facts, your fighting a losing war Rythm, get over it.
How is it said then, if it is not imperative? All I mean by what I say is, despite what you say, there is no requirement to use a keyboard and mouse – technically or not. Evidenced by support for the 360 pad out of the box, and evidenced by aim-assist implemented into the game when using the pad.

I’d be open to the suggestion that they’ve unbalanced it by giving joypad users too much assistance, if that’s the real issue here – but not to the suggestion that there shouldn’t be any ‘because it’s on PC’. The only one ‘fighting a losing war’ here is the guy who says that.

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
I’d be open to the suggestion that they’ve unbalanced it by giving joypad users too much assistance, if that’s the real issue here – but not to the suggestion that there shouldn’t be any ‘because it’s on PC’. The only one ‘fighting a losing war’ here is the guy who says that.


OK, hows this:

1. It seem that in the past few months more and more people are deciding to use controllers on the PC over K&M. I guess this is because they have migrated from a console and are so used to the comfortability of the controller.

2. I also agree that because of this growing number of control users that there should be some sort of assistance to help give control users more advantage over players using a K&M thus the auto-aim.

3. BUT; it seems that, according to the post above "The controller option gives PC gamers the ability to experience a near-perfect console experience." This obviously explains the slow movements for the mouse and the auto-aim for the controllers.

4. NOW; K&M users have been used to fast and accurate mouse movements. I've stated before that this is a PC and not a console. I don't believe that K&M users should change the way they have been playing for years just to let control users "experience a near-perfect console experience."

5. The reason why so many K&M users are so ticked of is because they now have to change the way they play, they now have to find new ways to move and look faster, and to gain more accurate shots, just so control users can "experience a near-perfect console experience."

6. They have purposely slowed the mouse movement down to suit control users experience. Now the mouse can only move as fast as the joystick, isn't this evening the odds out enough??? The reason why users using a K&M where overall better players is because of how QUICK he can aim, not mainly because of the accuracy.

7. Another reason why K&M users seem ticked of is because the controllers now have auto-aim.

8. If you want to "experience a near-perfect console experience.", than only optimize the control and NOT the K&M. Even so, if you want to "experience a near-perfect console experience.", play the damn game on the console.


Now to finish it off and find the overall winner:

-Aiming and movement: Both have same speed in aiming and movment (Both win)

-Aiming assistance: Controllers have auto-aim assistance, K&M users don't (Controllers win)

-User Experience: Both the controller and K&M are compatible with the game. The game was designed to allow control users to "experience a near-perfect console experience." While mouse users do not experience the game as they do with other fps'ers : (controller wins)

-User Interface: It seems that in parts of the game you need to press "A" or "B". Some K&M users have never seen or used an XBOX controller so they may not know what keys to press on the keyboard, overall winner (Controllers win)

As you can see, in the MOST important parts for when playing the game, the controller tops the K&M 4 to 1 or a ratio of 75/25. Thats hardly evening out the odds. But once the K&M user starts to get used to the new ways it will even out a bit more to about 60/40. Still, the controller wins.

There are more people using a K&M than people using a controller, so you should be able to see where K&M users are coming from.

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This kinda thing used to bother me but not anymore cause i got good and i can beat almost anyone. Oh yeah i use kb/m but i bought the controller for auto-aim and it wasn't all that so i switched back to kb/m. I dont see what the big deal about the 2 is. Auto aim isnt that great. Have you tried throwing a grenade with it. I think it just matters what you practice with more in order to see which one is better. I rarely find someone using a controller that can beat me bad. Except maybe this one dude.....nvm.

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  • 07.04.2007 8:45 AM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are. You are destiny.

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Posted by: Beowul7
Let's recap things for a moment, too. A guy playing with a controller comes and complains of getting booted out of a server for using auto-aim. Yet some people explain why it is, and then you come and start bashing these facts to replace them with fancy words.

There is only one issue I am concerned with here, and it is the perception I observed that aim-assist for control sticks gives an unfair advantage. Nothing else. My comment on elitist whiners on one side and dumbasses on the other was an even-handed comment on the negative elements in both communities, without reference to the topic. Read it again if you don’t believe me.

You're quite smart when it comes to changing and fixing subjects to your pleasure. I mean, you just said, or wrote, that Fake was telling you what to do, and that he had his own false ideals. Come on, please don't bull-blam!- us with all those words coming right from the dictionary.
It’s only called having a vocabulary mate. I would say ‘I’m sorry if you don’t like it’ but hey, I’d be lying. I use the most exact word I know to convey my exact meaning at any time. I challenge you to find anything I said that was ambiguous or deliberately confusing. There’s nothing there but plain meaning.

And sticking to the subject more, it is true that people on the XBox utilizing a keyboard and a mouse got a auto-aim, however, it was NOT supported, while the controller is supported in H2V, and I do give you that, Rythm. And lastly, but not least said, you, technically, should be using a keyboard and a mouse, not a controller. Not in an imperative way of saying, and Fake did not mean it in such a way either. Face the facts, your fighting a losing war Rythm, get over it.
How is it said then, if it is not imperative? All I mean by what I say is, despite what you say, there is no requirement to use a keyboard and mouse – technically or not. Evidenced by support for the 360 pad out of the box, and evidenced by aim-assist implemented into the game when using the pad.

I’d be open to the suggestion that they’ve unbalanced it by giving joypad users too much assistance, if that’s the real issue here – but not to the suggestion that there shouldn’t be any ‘because it’s on PC’. The only one ‘fighting a losing war’ here is the guy who says that.
Well I got owned in my proper argument. I want to kill myself.


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Posted by: RhythmKiller
I’d be open to the suggestion that they’ve unbalanced it by giving joypad users too much assistance, if that’s the real issue here – but not to the suggestion that there shouldn’t be any ‘because it’s on PC’. The only one ‘fighting a losing war’ here is the guy who says that.


OK, hows this:

1. It seem that in the past few months more and more people are deciding to use controllers on the PC over K&M. I guess this is because they have migrated from a console and are so used to the comfortability of the controller.

2. I also agree that because of this growing number of control users that there should be some sort of assistance to help give control users more advantage over players using a K&M thus the auto-aim.

3. BUT; it seems that, according to the post above "The controller option gives PC gamers the ability to experience a near-perfect console experience." This obviously explains the slow movements for the mouse and the auto-aim for the controllers.

4. NOW; K&M users have been used to fast and accurate mouse movements. I've stated before that this is a PC and not a console. I don't believe that K&M users should change the way they have been playing for years just to let control users "experience a near-perfect console experience."

5. The reason why so many K&M users are so ticked of is because they now have to change the way they play, they now have to find new ways to move and look faster, and to gain more accurate shots, just so control users can "experience a near-perfect console experience."

6. They have purposely slowed the mouse movement down to suit control users experience. Now the mouse can only move as fast as the joystick, isn't this evening the odds out enough??? The reason why users using a K&M where overall better players is because of how QUICK he can aim, not mainly because of the accuracy.

7. Another reason why K&M users seem ticked of is because the controllers now have auto-aim.

8. If you want to "experience a near-perfect console experience.", than only optimize the control and NOT the K&M. Even so, if you want to "experience a near-perfect console experience.", play the damn game on the console.


Now to finish it off and find the overall winner:

-Aiming and movement: Both have same speed in aiming and movment (Both win)

-Aiming assistance: Controllers have auto-aim assistance, K&M users don't (Controllers win)

-User Experience: Both the controller and K&M are compatible with the game. The game was designed to allow control users to "experience a near-perfect console experience." While mouse users do not experience the game as they do with other fps'ers : (controller wins)

-User Interface: It seems that in parts of the game you need to press "A" or "B". Some K&M users have never seen or used an XBOX controller so they may not know what keys to press on the keyboard, overall winner (Controllers win)

As you can see, in the MOST important parts for when playing the game, the controller tops the K&M 4 to 1 or a ratio of 75/25. Thats hardly evening out the odds. But once the K&M user starts to get used to the new ways it will even out a bit more to about 60/40. Still, the controller wins.

There are more people using a K&M than people using a controller, so you should be able to see where K&M users are coming from.
What a "Killer Strategy". You fought all this to prove yourself wrong. Meh...

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Posted by: Beowul7
What a "Killer Strategy". You fought all this to prove yourself wrong. Meh...


Not necessarily, You see I wanted to get both sides of the argument. I have read numerous arguments on other forums who have seemed to have all agreed to NO auto-aim etc. I used what those people said and put them into my own statement to see if I can get a clearer picture from the opposing side (those who agree that there SHOULD be auto-aim). Once I have a clearer picture of both sides I than gather as much information I can and give you my own verdict. I know its not the best way to find out information, but its the most fun :-)

As you can see that last post from me is my verdict. I haven't proved myself wrong at all :-)

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Do we really need the quote waterfalls/pyramids, Beowulf? =P

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A good PC gamer will almost always beat a good console gamer...

Also, there's no auto aim when you're actually sniping.

  • 07.04.2007 9:01 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

RythmKiller sounds Austrailian..... I don't like Austrailians. j/k

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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
RythmKiller sounds Austrailian..... I don't like Austrailians. j/k


Hey......I'm Australian and proud of it :-)

  • 07.04.2007 9:43 PM PDT

No one likes a smart ass.....especially another smart ass!

Posted by: PissTest
First let me say I have used a controller both console and PC games (motion sickness with mouse) for about 12 years, used one for Halo PC since it's release for 4 years, I played CAL, TWL and KW when nothing else was left.

I was known as solid player with a great pistol, heavy weapons, map awareness, teamwork but did suffer a weaker sniper from the controller use, KMB players used both skill and aimbots against me and my teams over the years and I never once complained about the advantage of the KBM user as I made the choice to play controller.

USB controllers have been around in PC gaming for many many years long before xbox was even thought of, so the "it's pc and not console doesn't fly with me."

The mouse speeds are part of the balance of the game and in a interview with one designer it was stated that when they tested the KMB players vs controller players there was no advantage from one side to the next.

I have seen both users in pubs and scrims and have seen some great hit % by KBM users and some bad hit % from controller users, I have played H2 only on vista and have outplayed other controller users who have played the xbox version for years, can also now go into h2 on xbox with the same results.

I have always been a controller player and have no desire to change my gaming likes or dislikes because a KBM user might think I somehow am cheating and wants to see me on on KBM.

Indeed H2V has been balanced to 50/50 playing field and the KBM users hate it because they are used to having a advantage that's no longer there,

In my case, all that's happened here is they have balanced the play for the PC controller users who prefer it and might have been at a slight disadvantage from the KBM users, however I would still disable if the option was there so as to not give ANY excuse to the KBM player who gets beatdown and help them since it appears they would need every advantage they can get.

Good info on the release can be found here.

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/game/2007/06/13/halo-2-vista -reviewed/

Please note this section.

"Since this is a Games for Windows branded title, Halo 2 Vista offers Xbox 360 controller support out of the box. The controller option gives PC gamers the ability to experience a near-perfect console experience. In actuality, gamers who use the controller in a multiplayer environment will gain an auto-targeting functionality that MIGHT tip the scales in their favor. But with that said, there’s NO better accuracy than using a mouse and keyboard combo. Using the sniper rifle has NEVER been quicker or more accurate with a mouse."

So to wrap this up, if you find yourself getting owned up by a controller user who has been playing for years on console systems then practice more aim and complain less of aim assist, the good players are above those excuses.


Could not have said it any better. You are exactly correct!

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Posted by: Nomaderwho
Posted by: PissTest
First let me say I have used a controller both console and PC games (motion sickness with mouse) for about 12 years, used one for Halo PC since it's release for 4 years, I played CAL, TWL and KW when nothing else was left.

I was known as solid player with a great pistol, heavy weapons, map awareness, teamwork but did suffer a weaker sniper from the controller use, KMB players used both skill and aimbots against me and my teams over the years and I never once complained about the advantage of the KBM user as I made the choice to play controller.

USB controllers have been around in PC gaming for many many years long before xbox was even thought of, so the "it's pc and not console doesn't fly with me."

The mouse speeds are part of the balance of the game and in a interview with one designer it was stated that when they tested the KMB players vs controller players there was no advantage from one side to the next.

I have seen both users in pubs and scrims and have seen some great hit % by KBM users and some bad hit % from controller users, I have played H2 only on vista and have outplayed other controller users who have played the xbox version for years, can also now go into h2 on xbox with the same results.

I have always been a controller player and have no desire to change my gaming likes or dislikes because a KBM user might think I somehow am cheating and wants to see me on on KBM.

Indeed H2V has been balanced to 50/50 playing field and the KBM users hate it because they are used to having a advantage that's no longer there,

In my case, all that's happened here is they have balanced the play for the PC controller users who prefer it and might have been at a slight disadvantage from the KBM users, however I would still disable if the option was there so as to not give ANY excuse to the KBM player who gets beatdown and help them since it appears they would need every advantage they can get.

Good info on the release can be found here.

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/game/2007/06/13/halo-2-vista -reviewed/

Please note this section.

"Since this is a Games for Windows branded title, Halo 2 Vista offers Xbox 360 controller support out of the box. The controller option gives PC gamers the ability to experience a near-perfect console experience. In actuality, gamers who use the controller in a multiplayer environment will gain an auto-targeting functionality that MIGHT tip the scales in their favor. But with that said, there’s NO better accuracy than using a mouse and keyboard combo. Using the sniper rifle has NEVER been quicker or more accurate with a mouse."

So to wrap this up, if you find yourself getting owned up by a controller user who has been playing for years on console systems then practice more aim and complain less of aim assist, the good players are above those excuses.


Could not have said it any better. You are exactly correct!

[quote]Posted by: Nomaderwho


Win. BTW, Mouse still has the bullet magnetism/large hitboxes. All controllers have extra is sticky aim, or whatever you call reticle slowing down on target.
But all in all, good players, mouse and controller wise, dont care.

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Zomg, I can never play FPS on consoles. I'm just fine at moving both "sticks" at the same time, but I can't get used to the sensitivity. I dunno about any of you guys, but when I went to halo bashes (That's what we call them) I was constantly having to switch controllers and what not and I just couldn't get used to it. There's only one type of game that I think consoles are not at, and that's RTS, they should leave the RTS genre on the PC platform. (That means a spankin for Bungie on Halo Wars >.<) Anyways, console controllers do have their advantages not given by the game (ie. Aim-bot) you can strafe a little easier with a controller, but the whole aiming scene is hunted down, devoured, and digested by mouses. =) I got a little off topic there....ah well.

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I disagree. You have much more control aiming with a mouse, that's just common sense.

  • 07.05.2007 2:55 PM PDT
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aka lino4

Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

Now, I read this thread and I frown upon it, because many of you have never used a controller, or know how it works.


I have used both, but predominately the controller lately. I used mouse first. Under the right settings and framerate, the mouse was unfair for me. After years of Halo 1 and headshots and being precise, I found the point and click easy and mundane, I needed a handicap. So I used the controller. It's harder to aim, but I like the shape and the force feedback. Sometimes I can play without sound and just judge the vibrations.

Kb/M aim is straightforward. What you point at is what you hit. The looking is sluggish compared to Halo 1 and a few other FPS games, but it's bearable.

As for the real hot topic, the "auto-aim", well it was there in the console version of Halo 1. It just required that the reticule "touch" the target before locking on. In Halo PC no one could have it because of leading. In Halo 2 Vista, the autoaim is about the same and it's not a permanent lock on. You still have to follow the target, although it will follow for you if you are standing still for some reason. It's not gamebreaking, and it's not unbalanced.

The truth is, a controller can have the same kind of accuracy that a mouse does, they're devices with similar uses, but different designs. Mouse requires arm/wrist movement, while controller requires thumb movement. I've used both and I see them both as viable gaming devices.

edit: I can almost play Halo PC as well with a controller as with a mouse. And anyone who's played with me will know that I am a mean mouse player.

[Edited on 07.06.2007 9:40 AM PDT]

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The truth is, a controller can have the same kind of accuracy that a mouse does.


I'm gonna have to agree with you there. When my computer crashed last year, I spent the next 3-4 months playing the Playstation, although I wasn't used to the controls at 1st, it was hard to aim (was playing IIX btw), and I generally got killed a lot. After a week of playing my aiming was pretty good and I was passing through levels without getting kill. Few weeks later my aiming was practically spot on. I finished the game fairly fast when I became good at it. A few weeks later I got my computer back up and running ans using the mouse was a -blam!-, I had to get used to it all over again and that (for me) took about a week or two.

This just goes to show that practice makes perfect. So there really is no need of auto-aim, as eventually your going to become very good at using the controller. Although I admit that you learn faster with a mouse, but at the end, its pretty much the same results.

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Posted by: Nomaderwho
I'd still use the controller even if there was no aim assist. And I would still come in at the top or near the top of my team in kills.


No you wouldn't, you're absolutely wrong.
I don't know who you played with, but I can tell you right now they weren't any good. People who played Halo 2 on the xbox think they're cool cause they're in MLG and can BXR and get jumping headshots with the sniper rifle.
It's a new game man. Turn off the autoaim in Halo 2, and play in a clan match with a controller. Then come back to this forum and post up a screenie. I await the results.

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Posted by: PissTest

I have always been a controller player and have no desire to change my gaming likes or dislikes because a KBM user might think I somehow am cheating and wants to see me on on KBM.

Indeed H2V has been balanced to 50/50 playing field and the KBM users hate it because they are used to having a advantage that's no longer there,

In my case, all that's happened here is they have balanced the play for the PC controller users who prefer it and might have been at a slight disadvantage from the KBM users, however I would still disable if the option was there so as to not give ANY excuse to the KBM player who gets beatdown and help them since it appears they would need every advantage they can get.

Good info on the release can be found here.

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/game/2007/06/13/halo-2-vista -reviewed/

Please note this section.

So to wrap this up, if you find yourself getting owned up by a controller user who has been playing for years on console systems then practice more aim and complain less of aim assist, the good players are above those excuses.


we aren't whining cause we lost an advantage we had.... We've never played a large influx of Controller users before.
For all PC titles up till this moment, controller users didn't have autoaim. They were owned by those that were good, and beat those that weren't (if they were good). It was an accepted fact that, if you played on the PC you could get used to the superior controls or opt out of winning and sticked to what you liked.
And when we played the console the same rules applied. Learn to live with autoaim, with controllers with awkward buttons (to us) or stick to those crappy mouse/kb support adapters and get owned even if we were sort of skilled.
We're not whining. We want you to play with the rules we had since before you came - play with your controller - and it's limitations - and deal with whatever choice you make.

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This is why consoles and PCs should stay separate IMO.

  • 07.07.2007 12:14 AM PDT

No one likes a smart ass.....especially another smart ass!

Posted by: Ryanman7
Posted by: Nomaderwho
I'd still use the controller even if there was no aim assist. And I would still come in at the top or near the top of my team in kills.


No you wouldn't, you're absolutely wrong.
I don't know who you played with, but I can tell you right now they weren't any good. People who played Halo 2 on the xbox think they're cool cause they're in MLG and can BXR and get jumping headshots with the sniper rifle.
It's a new game man. Turn off the autoaim in Halo 2, and play in a clan match with a controller. Then come back to this forum and post up a screenie. I await the results.


Who the hell are you to say I'm wrong. I played Halo PC with the controller and did just fine. I played with anybody who was online.

By the way. I NEVER use BXR or any other glitch. Don't need them.

Just an FYI. Games were originally played with joysticks. Atari anyone?

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Just an FYI. Games were originally played with joysticks. Atari anyone?


who needs Atari when you have...Intellevision!

  • 07.07.2007 8:34 AM PDT

Better to die on your feet then live on your knees!

Time for your PissTest.

Posted by: Ryanman7
Posted by: PissTest

I have always been a controller player and have no desire to change my gaming likes or dislikes because a KBM user might think I somehow am cheating and wants to see me on on KBM.

Indeed H2V has been balanced to 50/50 playing field and the KBM users hate it because they are used to having a advantage that's no longer there,

In my case, all that's happened here is they have balanced the play for the PC controller users who prefer it and might have been at a slight disadvantage from the KBM users, however I would still disable if the option was there so as to not give ANY excuse to the KBM player who gets beatdown and help them since it appears they would need every advantage they can get.

Good info on the release can be found here.

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/game/2007/06/13/halo-2-vista -reviewed/

Please note this section.

So to wrap this up, if you find yourself getting owned up by a controller user who has been playing for years on console systems then practice more aim and complain less of aim assist, the good players are above those excuses.


we aren't whining cause we lost an advantage we had.... We've never played a large influx of Controller users before.
For all PC titles up till this moment, controller users didn't have autoaim. They were owned by those that were good, and beat those that weren't (if they were good). It was an accepted fact that, if you played on the PC you could get used to the superior controls or opt out of winning and sticked to what you liked.
And when we played the console the same rules applied. Learn to live with autoaim, with controllers with awkward buttons (to us) or stick to those crappy mouse/kb support adapters and get owned even if we were sort of skilled.
We're not whining. We want you to play with the rules we had since before you came - play with your controller - and it's limitations - and deal with whatever choice you make.


For now in this game the rules have changed, a new balance has been reached and it's a good thing to be able to adjust to change instead of wishing for what once was.

[Edited on 07.07.2007 11:21 PM PDT]

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Posted by: PissTest

For now in this game the rules have changed, a new balance has been reached and it's a good thing to be able to adjust to change instead of wishing for what once was.


When the balance includes having a computer aim for you, that's my limit.
If it was dumbing down graphics, I could do that. If it was paying Microsoft to play with you guys, people do that. If it was not being able to buy a video card that you wanted because it would give you "an advantage" I could do that.
But the second you make what was once illegal, the HIGHEST CRIME in PC gaming legal, that's the end of the line.

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Posted by: Nomaderwho

Who the hell are you to say I'm wrong. I played Halo PC with the controller and did just fine. I played with anybody who was online.

By the way. I NEVER use BXR or any other glitch. Don't need them.

Just an FYI. Games were originally played with joysticks. Atari anyone?


If you're on the Xbox, I can't exactly tell you not to use something if everyone else is. It's like using a controller on a P.C. ; )

I had a problem with you saying you came up or near the top of every server, when I'm 98% sure you were playing bad people.
But I do apologize for the tone of my post. I play with people who use controllers, and it's not like a massive handicap. They come in the middle of our servers, and in objective gametypes they sometimes come out on top.

If you play with a GOOD mouse and get GOOD with it you will see the difference. I CAN promise you that.

  • 07.07.2007 11:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: PissTest
For now in this game the rules have changed, a new balance has been reached and it's a good thing to be able to adjust to change instead of wishing for what once was.


Umm, who here is exactly changing? The way I see it, Halo 2 Vista was designed for the use of a controller so those players who use a control can "experience a near perfect console experience." In other words, those people who are using a controller don't have to change the way they play at all between a PC and the XBOX. But those people who are using a keyboard and mouse are the ones who are changing, they now have to adapt to slower mouse movement and adapt to a controller HUD.

Your statement wasn't well thought out

[Edited on 07.08.2007 3:45 AM PDT]

  • 07.07.2007 11:48 PM PDT

Better to die on your feet then live on your knees!

Time for your PissTest.

Posted by: Ryanman7
Posted by: PissTest

For now in this game the rules have changed, a new balance has been reached and it's a good thing to be able to adjust to change instead of wishing for what once was.


When the balance includes having a computer aim for you, that's my limit.
If it was dumbing down graphics, I could do that. If it was paying Microsoft to play with you guys, people do that. If it was not being able to buy a video card that you wanted because it would give you "an advantage" I could do that.
But the second you make what was once illegal, the HIGHEST CRIME in PC gaming legal, that's the end of the line.


My guess is you haven't used a controller with the game so all you can do is assume it aims for you, which is 100% false.

Go back and read my first post and the reviews and stop trying to make things up to make yourself feel better.

  • 07.08.2007 4:17 AM PDT