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Subject: Knife weilding SPARTANS? Sprinting?

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I would like them to have it in campaign only. That way, you can be camoflauged, sneak behind a brute, elite, etc, and slice their jugular! Guts, blood spurting everywhere! AWESOME! I would really like the knife in campaign. Also, since we are able to sprint, how will we? I really want to race hogs in multiplayer! Then, if we are sprinting, can we run and punch-a-grunt to death? Just the same as MC does in *SPOILERS AHEAD SPOILERS AHEAD!* First Strike? That would be tight. What do you guys think?

  • 05.30.2004 7:56 PM PDT
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how is that a spoiler?


wtf?





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  • 05.30.2004 8:04 PM PDT
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yeah thats like saying...*SPOILER*
first strike is about halo

but *SPOILER*
first strike has knifes in it too, not just sprinting...but i think the og poster knew that...bit just didnt say it.

  • 05.30.2004 8:10 PM PDT
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I don't really see the need for a knife when you can get the plasma sword.

  • 05.30.2004 8:13 PM PDT
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I would really enjoy the use of a knife and sprinting abilities to go with it. The plasma sword sticks out like a sore thumb and the covenant AI and most definity human opponents will be able to spot you with it a mile away. I imagine you arent very fast with it in hand either.

  • 05.30.2004 8:18 PM PDT
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You see there is a minor problem with the throat slitng and the knife thing. It isn't Halo. Simple as that. Well, not quite that simple. The thing is Elites have shields. Shields in Halo are very slick, like oil on ice. Why the Chief doesn't run at his old speeds before shields. So taking a knife ot an Elite would be pointless. Plus who the hell is going to get that close? I enjoy close quarters, but only when I have at least three other guns covering my arse. Even then that is suicide and I AM USING A FREAKING GUN! So knives, are a thanks, but no thanks. As for the plasam sword being in campaign.....Bungie you better keep it so once an Elite dies and rops it we can't use that sword and we are forced to find one not already used by an Elite.

  • 05.30.2004 8:24 PM PDT
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ok knifes would be really -blam!-

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--Warning, heavy sarcasm ahead--

*blinks* Knives wouldn't work on shields because they are "Slippery"? What kind of logic is this?

Wow, I had no idea that bullets had no effect on Elites... and my fists... just slide off him too... Gee... I guess I've been killing them with my bad breath all this time.

Anything a bullet can penetrate a knife can just as well. In fact, knife can get through most bulletproof vests with ease. Heck, a crossbow bolt has more penetration then an M-16 rifle, capable of lancing straight through a cinder block.

Now, imagine the strength of the Master Chief, a guy capable of flipping a tank, channeled into a pinhead like a knife's tip. That would go through just about anything I could imagine.

More then likely, the main reason it's not included is because it would be insanely powerful. The only thing the Plasma Sword would have on it is a much greater reach.

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Sarcasm? I didn't detect any. I think you should work on those typing skills, make it more obvious for those that really don't give a damn. Now then.

*blinks* Knives wouldn't work on shields because they are "Slippery"? What kind of logic is this?


Simple. It is a energy field that is in such a state that all energies that interfere with it are repulsed in a slippery like movement.

Wow, I had no idea that bullets had no effect on Elites... and my fists... just slide off him too... Gee... I guess I've been killing them with my bad breath all this time.


Your bad breath? Not possible. Chief has a nice minty freshness to his. Bullets have an effect. They are a high velocity impact that cuase the shield to be repulsed in a certain area. Because of this movement to the energy barrier, energy is drained from maintaining the entire shielding system to countering this new threat that is attempting to make its way through. Your fists are also a high velocity impact, however you are using brute force to smack the enemy. With enough force, with a blunt object, you can cause damage to the overall shielding system. However with a brittle thing, such as a knife in this case, your object is more likely to break than it is to damage the energy barrier surrounding your opponent.

Anything a bullet can penetrate a knife can just as well. In fact, knife can get through most bulletproof vests with ease. Heck, a crossbow bolt has more penetration then an M-16 rifle, capable of lancing straight through a cinder block.

Anything? Nope. Bulletproof vests are designed to take high impact rounds, not a slower moving/ non-hyper velocity object. Meaning going through kevlar is no problem because it is not a sudden impact like a bullet. And we are talking energy, not the normal human physical stuff here. As for the crossbow. Yes it can penetrate, but I own three AR-15s(civilian M16s). They make cynder blocks turn to rubble. With just one shot. Don't try me on guns, I know too damn much.

Now, imagine the strength of the Master Chief, a guy capable of flipping a tank, channeled into a pinhead like a knife's tip. That would go through just about anything I could imagine.

Flipping a tank? That was meant for players that screwed up and made their tank become flipped over. Basically a way to correct your mistakes. The Chief in all true Bungie storyline purposes can't lift over 77 tons. Maybe 3, but not 77. Also the knife would break, as I have already stated.

More then likely, the main reason it's not included is because it would be insanely powerful. The only thing the Plasma Sword would have on it is a much greater reach/

No, it would be insanely weak, not powerful. Knife go snap real easy. As for the plasma sword...that is another lecture all together.




[Edited on 5/30/2004 9:29:25 PM]

  • 05.30.2004 9:27 PM PDT
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Halo 2 is said to have a bit more of a "stealth" option, so I think you will probably at least be able to use the brute knife, being able to sneak up behind enimies and kill them with a 21 inch blade... the most fun thing.. ever...

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How is a fist different from a knife? besides your fist not being a sharp as a surgeon's scalpel... If bungie does include knives, they wont break MC comes from a time when a vehicle can take a rocket shot and still be somewhat drivable, why would a knife break on an inferior energy shield like the ones the covenant use?

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The only way they are inferior is that ours recharge faster than their's. Otherwise the Covenant are stronger. Trust me. (and anything below heroic/legendary is not what the war is based on.)

  • 05.30.2004 9:42 PM PDT
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The elite shields DON'T recharge if you haven't noticed.... and their energy swords kill us just fine don't they? BESIDES, the sword in question is probably the brute knife anyway, they never did confirm a human knife...

  • 05.30.2004 9:58 PM PDT

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Actually, I think they do recharge. If you shoot five bullets at their body, their shields will go down. Then if you leave the elite alone, and come back and shoot it again, the shields will be back up. They stay down if you either:
1. Kill them or
2. Take down their shields and start to kill them (when they hunch over, then you melee them). I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just stating my opinion. No one's right, except Bungie!

  • 05.30.2004 10:12 PM PDT
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Nor have they mentioned a Brute knife. It might be in there, but don't expect something that wouldn't serve purposes. ON the other hand, the Brutes have a new kind of grenade, as mentioned in First Strike when the Spartans are on the Unyielding Hierophant.

[Edited on 5/30/2004 10:13:42 PM]

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Posted by: Lunous
Nor have they mentioned a Brute knife. It might be in there, but don't expect something that wouldn't serve purposes. ON the other hand, the Brutes have a new kind of grenade, as mentioned in First Strike when the Spartans are on the Unyielding Hierophant.

Yes, in FACT they have mentioned a brute knife in countless articles. It's even in the concept sketches. I think there's a brute freaking HOLDING one in the 2003 E3 demo.

As for the "First Strike grenade", not everything that's in the books is or will be in the game. That's an authors rendition of the Halo universe, not a play by play of everything in the game.

Here's another helpful quote from bungie's 5/21/04 update:

"If you consider re-doing all the Elite animations with him holding a Brute weapon cool, then yes I guess that is cool -blam!-. Let’s see, since we spoke last I’ve finished up a large, intimidating alien, given the elite a Brute weapon, given him animations for that and for the driver and gunner of a new Covenant vehicle, and another Elite's first-person animations for the Brute weapon as well. "

First-person elite animations = Multiplayer

Brute weapon = Knife

Sorry man, but know your -blam!- before you "sound off"

and the shield DOESN'T come back, I just tried it on Legendary

  • 05.30.2004 10:32 PM PDT
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Wow Hikaru. I think you need to step down of your high horse dude. Who are you to decide how the shield system in a video game reacts to real world objects? Did you design their properties and how other objects effect them? I mean your assuming quite a bit here. You argument would be sound if this was all fact, but it's not all fact. So why don't you stop pretending to know everything and just chill. Sheesh.

  • 05.30.2004 10:39 PM PDT
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damn it, anyone know where to get first strike in Australia?

  • 05.30.2004 11:38 PM PDT
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Can you use amazon.com in austrailia?

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Posted by: MajorOpossum
Brute weapon = Knife


Btw I thought I'd just point out the Brute weapon is not a knife, although Im not sure you might just be calling that to make the point of a non energy sword blade being in the game....

The Brute weapon will accoridng to most shoot some kinda new grenade as in the books. However if you look at the E3 2003 demo it looks more like a highly powerful plasma rifle with a slower rate of fire. Who knows it might hvae a grenade attachment.... but looking at the concept sketches it will have a large bayonet like blade on it for melee atacking with, should be interesting.

  • 05.31.2004 12:54 AM PDT

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Maybe the gun the brute is holding is a fuel rod cannon. It also has blades on it for a secondary weapon. That way, while reloading, it doesn't have to wait a few seconds, it just charges you and stabs you. Hopefully we don't encounter that problem.

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Posted by: fastmatt
Maybe the gun the brute is holding is a fuel rod cannon. It also has blades on it for a secondary weapon. That way, while reloading, it doesn't have to wait a few seconds, it just charges you and stabs you. Hopefully we don't encounter that problem.


Nope, its not a Fuel Rod Cannon, that fires a green projectile whereas the Brute weapon fires a more blue-ish shot. Also if you look at a Fuel Rod Cannon it is a lot thicker in the barrel than the Brutes guns!

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I don't think sprinting is making it into the game, no one has seen it including press. Thats just what I think but there is still time, I guess. I don't want it from all that I know right now.

  • 05.31.2004 11:42 AM PDT
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BTW just to state the elits shield DO recharge... try it hit one with an overcharged plasma pistol shot... they go hide then they come back with full sheild.

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Posted by: fastmatt
I would like them to have it in campaign only. That way, you can be camoflauged, sneak behind a brute, elite, etc, and slice their jugular! Guts, blood spurting everywhere! AWESOME! I would really like the knife in campaign. Also, since we are able to sprint, how will we? I really want to race hogs in multiplayer! Then, if we are sprinting, can we run and punch-a-grunt to death? Just the same as MC does in *SPOILERS AHEAD SPOILERS AHEAD!* First Strike? That would be tight. What do you guys think?


u sprint by holding down the forward control and after a while u lower ur weapon and start sprinting

  • 05.31.2004 12:42 PM PDT

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