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Subject: so so so sick of racism!!!

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"I'm not racist, I hate every race equally, including my own."

-A good friend of mine.

He got banned on the forums for saying that.

  • 07.10.2007 9:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: Blitz2o MKII
"I'm not racist, I hate every race equally, including my own."

-A good friend of mine.

He got banned on the forums for saying that.


You see there is a flaw in your friends argument. You can't physically hate a race. You can dislike individuals belonging to a certain race, but not an entire race itself.

Now people can babble on about economic, political and social reasons, but basically people who are racist are just ignorant individuals. Sadly it's impossible to exterminate racism, but what you can do is stick to your own principals, ignore the idiots and carry on with your own lives.

I luckily have not come across too much racism on xbl. When I do, I quite happily use the mute option. I don't have to listen to the garbage they come out with and neither do you. The mute option is a blessing. Use it.

  • 07.10.2007 10:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: brownish pile253
i can honestly say i have never yelled a racial slur to anyone. on xbl or real life. how is a mexican or a black man any different from a white man. to me that has always just seem like an idiodic thing to resort to, i mean, calling someone a name based on a physical trait they have no control of. real mature. i also think that narrow minded people judge an entire race off of stereotypes and a few bad people they know of that race. its like saying " one time i saw a black gangster, i don't like black people anymore " thats just stupid. if people think like that then why don't they think white people just steal land and force their beliefs upon people.
Posted by: MLG KaLmAdA
move to canada. hardly any racism here. but on live i go in a game with a canadian symbol and americans piss me off so much. for no reason. they just think there better than all of us. i dont care ill let them think that. but i know the truth.


you are no better than the racist. you are singling out a group of people as racist. hmmm. you can't judge all americans based on the few morons who yell out racial slurs over the internet. so americans love their country, doesn't mean they think of yours or anybody elses as inferior.


"few" is a bit of an understatement.

  • 07.10.2007 10:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: Blitz2o MKII
"I'm not racist, I hate every race equally, including my own."

-A good friend of mine.

He got banned on the forums for saying that.


You see there is a flaw in your friends argument. You can't physically hate a race. You can dislike individuals belonging to a certain race, but not an entire race itself.

Now people can babble on about economic, political and social reasons, but basically people who are racist are just ignorant individuals. Sadly it's impossible to exterminate racism, but what you can do is stick to your own principals, ignore the idiots and carry on with your own lives.

I luckily have not come across too much racism on xbl. When I do, I quite happily use the mute option. I don't have to listen to the garbage they come out with and neither do you. The mute option is a blessing. Use it.


He was just presenting a funny quote idiot.

  • 07.10.2007 10:40 AM PDT
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your -blam!- no one wants to hear it racism, curssing, lewdness, cheating, yelling, screaming, super jumping, glitching,! Is all apart of the game fukin deal with it everyone else does!

  • 07.10.2007 11:19 AM PDT

*sighs*

I'm not going to comment on how irrational racism is, the varying degrees to which it hurts or angers people, or how it may affect me personally. The only thing I'm going to contribute is that you should leave feedback on the person for it - it's really the only thing you can reasonably do.

  • 07.10.2007 11:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Nope. I can't be banned - I wrote the code for the site.

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]Have you been banned Achronos?

I hate hearing the n word on xbl, especially when it comes from a black person. they set the tone on how they want their racial slur to be used. if they use it, others will. i am sure that if the black community would stop using the n word, that many people, not all, but many people would stop as well.

i went to a highschool that was about 49% white, 49% black and 2% other. i had many black and white friends. in fact, i never even thought of my black friends as being "black", they were just another friend. but sadly as many "nice" black people there were, there were a lot of black people who fit the steriotype. it was purely sickening to see what went on in my old highschool. but the black people were not the only bad people, there were plenty of white trash at my highschool as well. i wish that america had the german school system. basically the german schools separate the idiots from the smart people and they go to separate schools. it would have solved a lot of the problems that i had to endure in highschool.

the point is that there are good and bad in every race, but the steriotype points out the bad and the good gets upset.

but on the freedom of speech issue, 50 years ago the n word was used all the time. the n word was governed by the same freedom of speech laws, but was ok then. so what makes it a bad word now?

  • 07.10.2007 11:26 AM PDT
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He has a gamertag that includes the name of his country(which is not a green light to make racist remarks.

Is he from Nigeria or Jigabooistan?

  • 07.10.2007 11:34 AM PDT
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I hate hearing the n word on xbl, especially when it comes from a black person. they set the tone on how they want their racial slur to be used. if they use it, others will. i am sure that if the black community would stop using the n word, that many people, not all, but many people would stop as well.

i went to a highschool that was about 49% white, 49% black and 2% other. i had many black and white friends. in fact, i never even thought of my black friends as being "black", they were just another friend. but sadly as many "nice" black people there were, there were a lot of black people who fit the steriotype. it was purely sickening to see what went on in my old highschool. but the black people were not the only bad people, there were plenty of white trash at my highschool as well. i wish that america had the german school system. basically the german schools separate the idiots from the smart people and they go to separate schools. it would have solved a lot of the problems that i had to endure in highschool.

the point is that there are good and bad in every race, but the steriotype points out the bad and the good gets upset.

but on the freedom of speech issue, 50 years ago the n word was used all the time. the n word was governed by the same freedom of speech laws, but was ok then. so what makes it a bad word now?


I totally agree with you. I'm not racist. I have black friends, mexican friends, indian friends...there's no way I could be racist because they're all some of the coolest guys I know. People just don't like the N word because it's what slaves were called 150 years ago. I really think it's dumb that that word is considered a racist word. Yes, it does refer to black people, but if they call each other it, why can't I use it? If I were to use it, it wouldn't be in a degrading way at all. The word has just recieved a bad rap because of what it was used for 150 years ago. How can black people say they can use the N word but I can't just because I'm white? That's racist. That is saying I can't say it because of my skin color. On XBL I use the word with my friends and just to say it but I never say that to another person on the other team I don't know.

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rascism is bad, but it will never change. there will always be some -blam!- out there with a big mouth and no skill just trying to make people upset. for such a great game as halo 2 is, i think its sad that people can degrade and hurt other people as much as they do. I love this game, and even if someone is making racial comments against me or my team (i'm white, but i still usually get the N word treatment) i just own them and let the scoreboard do the talking. if only H2 had the mute system H3 had....

  • 07.10.2007 1:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: ToxicSchlonkey
they cant sell us microphones and say we cant use certain words. i can say -blam!- but not -blam!-. gimme a break. i have the right to be racist, im not one to go around calling people names for no reason, but it shouldnt be something they can ban you for. its freedom of speech


No, you do not have the right to be racist. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of racism you idiot.

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There are probably 5 people out of all the racists on xbl that would actually say something racist to a person of that race in real life, directly that is.

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So your better then.LOL

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Posted by: MLG KaLmAdA
move to canada. hardly any racism here. but on live i go in a game with a canadian symbol and americans piss me off so much. for no reason. they just think there better than all of us. i dont care ill let them think that. but i know the truth.


you are no better than the racist. you are singling out a group of people as racist. hmmm. you can't judge all americans based on the few morons who yell out racial slurs over the internet. so americans love their country, doesn't mean they think of yours or anybody elses as inferior.


No, he was refering to the people who were racist on Live, not Americans in general.


He was talking about Americans thinking they're better than Canadians, not Americans being racist. So to me it does sound like he was referring to Americans in general.

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Publish, distribute or disseminate any topic, name, material, file or information that incites discrimination, hate or violence towards one person or a group because of their race, religion, nationality, -blam!- status, homo-blam!- status or HIV/AIDS status, or that insults the victims of crimes against humanity by contesting the existence of those crimes.

Copied and pasted directly from the Terms of Agreement. Why be a racist? What's the point? Why be that ignorant? It serves no useful purpose what-so-ever. Just play the game without trying to hurt somone verbally just to boost your own lack of self worth. Its absolutely pointless.

  • 07.10.2007 2:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
For everyone who is about to be upset with this thread being locked,

When it comes to the subject of racism, I can only imagine two potential reasons to create a thread on Bungie.Net about it. They are both questions that would (and should) be asked by someone who does not know the answer. The two questions are;

* Is racism allowed or tolerated on Bungie.Net?
* Is racism allowed or tolerated on Xbox Live!?

The answer to the first one is simple and most applicable to these forums. The answer is straight-forward and without any confusion. "No, it is NOT permitted NOR is it tolerated." Period, full-stop, end of statement.

If any Bungie.Net member sees any example of another member using racial terms, slurs, insults, or other violations of the Code of Conduct, Terms of Use or the Forum Rules, we ask that the member noticing the problem notify a Bungie employee, or a Forum Moderator ASAP via PM. Do not respond to the offensive post, but PM us with a URL to the thread so we may enforce the membership agreement as is our duty.

Now, that's Bungie.Net.

XBL is a similar, but somewhat trickier situation. Here on the Bungie.Net forums, what a person says is typed on the screen and is there for all to see until it is removed, edited or the member is taken care of. XBL has text gamertags, but most interaction is verbal. However, XBL has Terms of Use, Code of Conduct and other rules that are very similar to Bungie.Net. They are part of the same parent company. They have different feedback and reporting tools (PM's here, member feedback there) but they too can only enforce their agreement when they are made aware of a problem.

Now, we have two questions and two very clear answers. It's very clear to me that if someone is uncertain of the policies for both companies, they would need to ask the question(s) that I mentioned.

Other than that, I see no point and no benefit from threads discussing the subject matter for any other reason. It's clear that the behavior is not tolerated here, the words are not allowed, and yet these threads are stocked full of people using terms, slurs and other non-permitted statements. In a text-based environment like Bungie.Net, even using an offensive term as an example puts us on the slippery slope of "well HE used it!" or even less defendable, "I can use the term because that term refers to my race/gender/culture so I am exempt..."

Nope, I just don't see it. Also, there is the fact that these discussions can't help but turn political and are ALWAYS full of people flirting with blam filter (as examples or even worse) expressing their own racist views, they have no benefit to the community that I can imagine.

Once more, if you experience racism on Bungie.Net, tell us so we can eliminate the problem. If you experience it on XBL, tell them so they can do the same. There are no positives or other points to discuss. It is not tolerated. I don't enjoy disciplining someone for violating forum rules, even if their intentions are good, but I will because I have agreed to do just that.

Want an example? Just look at any of these threads that have been around for a couple of dozen posts. Sooner or later, in one spelling or another, the slurs start showing up. Those terms are absolutely unacceptable on these forums. I am unwilling to allow ANYONE to use them. That is what I mean when I say that racism is not allowed nor is it tolerated. If it offends you to see it, why in the name of all that is good, would you even think of retyping it where it can offend even more of your fellow members?

So, this thread is locked. So will any others that I see. Because the question is not "is racism bad?" Because we should all know (by now) that it is.

What is a fact is that this is not the place to discuss the evils and social problems associated with it. The only valid form of the question are the two that I mentioned and that answer is easy to find.
(Just ignore the part about the thread being locked. The quote is from a different thread that was locked.) There was another one by Recon that I'll try to find. I think that the other one is more suited for this.

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why do u gotta get all butt hurt about racism, go and join the adopt a kid from guatamala foundation -blam!-

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Posted by: ll SLICK RICK ll
why do u gotta get all butt hurt about racism, go and join the adopt a kid from guatamala foundation -blam!-


Hmmm that sounds nice and right up there with the kind of garbage we have been talking about. I'm far from "butt hurt" my life continues and so does my fiends. What I'm getting at with this post is the fact that there are gamers who are using this service improperly. This is supposed to be a community of fans who love halo, and want to play without racism cheating modding superjumping whatever. There are so many things that users are doing to degrade the quality of the game. I've noticed the increase in the racial issues. Yes my friend is from Guatamala.... and? More than half of the time its someone on our own team. The game starts betrayals right off the bat, thats annoying. So we are like "come on dude whats going on lets play". We enjoy the compition and want to win. Ranked or unranked, or any situation in the real world when your being challenged winning is always priority. Granted its not the only thing but I don't know alot of people who love losing. Anyway back on topic we give a little comment suggesting that the player pull it together. We are not saying you suck, we are saying your somewhere in the same skill level, so keep up and lets win this. Right away people feel attacked by this, and thats not what we are trying to do. They begin pulling the racial slurs. "Go back to Guatamala, you mexican." Thats my favorite because they aren't smart enough to know that they are not from Mexico there for not Mexican. "Go mow the lawn, pull out the mower manual, mow the lawn" followed by an expletive that rhymes with stick referring in a negative manner to a person of hispanic descent. Plain and simple its not called for regardless of the level. A simple negative word can be as harmful as a full on racial bashing. So once again STOP please. Lets have fun. Oh and don't bother replying if your just going to be racist or negative. If you have a ligit comment for or against the topic have at it, but don't be ignorant.

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N gga, Ngga, Ngga!!!!!!!!!!

  • 07.10.2007 5:09 PM PDT

"because spartans cant wort wort wort anything"

Made me laugh so hard.

You don't really have a brain of gold do you?

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I wouldn't be mad if this got locked because it could go on forever. I wanted to get my point out there. Its obvious there isn't a ton that can be done to be rid of the situation completely :(

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perfect example... just posted

why?

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although some gamertags are just a set up for racist comments...i could see how annoying it can be. but i hope the idiot above you gets knocked off.

  • 07.10.2007 5:28 PM PDT

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