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Posted by: Iggwilv
*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*
You suck at arguing, you might as well become a politician that changes his stance every 5 minutes.
Posted by: Ryanman7
I mentioned that I couldn't hook up my monitor because my motherboard had NO graphics capability whatsoever. That was the point I was trying to make... without a dedicated video chipset you can't even run a basic display much less video games.
I mention folding at home because it demonstrates how different a CPU and GPU are. BlueGene, with its massive computing power, couldn't calculate ONE Protien fold in a thousand years, while a couple thousand networked x1900 can do multiple ones a minute.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2849&p=2
This has no point in the argument, it's a feeble attempt to sound smart and well informed. It doesn't fool me. I already know about F@H, GPUs, Cell, and CPUs. Here is the bottom line, there are certain applications where the GPU is considerably faster but those applications are more limited than with a cell which is not as fas but can run more applications, and finally even more limited than a CPU which can run everything.
Again, F@H has nothing to do with this argument.
Posted by: Ryanman7
You talk of CPU's being able to do these things slowly, but it's SO slow that the point is irrelevant! you NEED a GPU to run graphically intensive games, it's as simple as that. You're telling me you can run the original UT with a CPU.. BIG DEAL! It's an ancient game, don't you get that? when a game is old enough you can run it on a CPU with a video-capable motherboard! I already said that, and you pointing out a game from 1999 doesn't prove your point at all because that's what I said earlier. Let me say it ONE MORE TIME. I'm sure a CPU can do graphics, but it is SO SLOW that them being able to do it doesn't matter.
Does UT2004 count then? It also supports a software renderer, but it's not playable at 4 fps on my machine just in the menus, the CPU power isn't there yet for it. But then again you ceded your argument right here when you admited you can run a game without a GPU. YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!
Posted by: Ryanman7
This is ridiculous. Every single console ever made has: a CPU, a Graphics unit, and some type of memory. The PS3 tried to get by with just the Cell but at the last minute they realized... "HEY! we need a -blam!- GPU to run games!" and even though they got one, it was hideously underpowered. Which is why the 360 has little disadvantage compared to the PS3... the GPU's of the two are ultimately the deciding factor in their gaming performance.
Yes, i agree completely here, the PS3's GPU sucks so bad that Killzone 2 was really played on a 360... sigh
But then again you missed the point entirely.
Posted by: Ryanman7
You're telling me, that programmers are simply given a choice to "program in x86" and make it so you don't have to have a GPU, or make it so you have to have both? The answer is they can't simply "program" a game to look gorgeous and run off a CPU. With all the variables and differences between doing a spreadsheet and drawing a virtual world made out of millions of pixels you need a DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROCESSOR to do it well.
You already lost the argument before but now you are just digging yourself in to a hole. You can't just change from it's impossible to do to it's hard to do.
Posted by: Ryanman7
EDIT: and for the LOVE OF GOD get me a screenshot showing your computer with no graphics card running Company of Heroes at the same time before you say "you can run uber games with no video card" again.
I don't have the game, but if you want I can show you UT2004 with a software rendering option.
See you gave me the win here admitting that it is indeed possible to do, it's just not practical which is completely different than it's impossible to and I quote:
because as Btcc said a CPU can't do graphics.
You're silly :)
[Edited on 07.22.2007 2:24 AM PDT]