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Are you serious? How in the hell can you run company of heroes with just a CPU? The answer is you can't. Some motherboard graphics chipsets can run old, graphically non-intensive games. Read a tech article on the differences between GPU and CPU architecture. It's why Folding @ Home is using GPU's for it's processing (along with the cell processor in the PS3) because of their ability to do floating point calculations. What would take a millennium for BlueGene to do, takes hours using FOlding@home. For instance, my Biostar Tfoce Motherboard has no integrated chipset.... I had to install my Videocard to hook up my monitor. Find me a tech article that says you can run a game with NO motherboard graphics chipset whatsoever and I'll Cede the argument.

  • 07.21.2007 1:25 AM PDT

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It'l run. Just not well, which is why most people, *cough*everybody*cough*, uses a gpu.

  • 07.21.2007 9:46 AM PDT

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Beowul7, I may be wrong but I believe longhorn was built on xp code, so you shouldnt have noticed much of a difference.
That's very true. I concur.

By the way, getting out of topic, I got Halo 2 running in my PC. Runs perfectly smooth! Well, the only catch is that when I put it windowed, the sounds lags like nails on a chalkboard, hiperbole btw.

My rig is:
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.0GHz
Memory: 1534MB RAM
Hard Drive: 197 GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GS/XT (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM)
Sound Card: Vinyl AC'97 Audio (WAVE)
Monitor: acer™ AL1711 Flatscreen
Operating System: Windows Vista™ Home Basic (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_rtm.061101-2205)

I took these directly out from here, my XFire profile page. I removed the few which were irrelevant.

Since my Halo PC CD is not available for use, I installed Halo trial just to have some Halo on my PC :P. It works to perfection and smoother than before, and like I also said previously, Halo 2 runs smoothly as well. Yeah, my Sound Card sucks huevos.

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  • 07.21.2007 3:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
It'l run. Just not well, which is why most people, *cough*everybody*cough*, uses a gpu.


Honestly, my old Dell, even with a RAGE AGP card, can't run Civ IV. Given it doesn't have a shining CPU but it beats the min sys specs. I haven't found a computer that can run a game with no GPU or integrated Graphics but if you guys can give me a link to proof I'm all for it.

  • 07.21.2007 3:50 PM PDT

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*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: Ryanman7
Are you serious? How in the hell can you run company of heroes with just a CPU? The answer is you can't.

Of course you can, a CPU can run everything that a GPU can, but not nearly as fast. That is the whole point of a GPU, to accelerate graphics.

Posted by: Ryanman7
Some motherboard graphics chipsets can run old, graphically non-intensive games.

Irrelevant

Posted by: Ryanman7
Read a tech article on the differences between GPU and CPU architecture. It's why Folding @ Home is using GPU's for it's processing (along with the cell processor in the PS3) because of their ability to do floating point calculations.

CPUs can do floating point calculations LOL. F@H is using GPUs because they are FASTER at doing CERTAIN kinds of calculations, not that the CPU can not do them.

Posted by: Ryanman7
What would take a millennium for BlueGene to do, takes hours using FOlding@home.

Irrelevant

Posted by: Ryanman7
For instance, my Biostar Tfoce Motherboard has no integrated chipset.... I had to install my Videocard to hook up my monitor.

This is just dumb, no one said that you didn't need a way to hook up your monitor.

Posted by: Ryanman7
Find me a tech article that says you can run a game with NO motherboard graphics chipset whatsoever and I'll Cede the argument.

Let me break down your argument for you.

1. You go from how old graphics processors are too slow to run the games and thats great, upgrade.
2. You then mention F@H which has nothing to do with the issue at hand, as it is irrelevant on how fast it runs, the argument you are making is it can't run it.
3. You then mention that you need a video card to hook up a monitor which is also irrelevant because A) not part of the argument. B) stupid as many things that are processed with the CPU show up on the monitor, it doesnt mean that the GPU made it faster at all.

And ill leave you with another thought, lets assume some things using your logic for a minute. A PS2/N64/SNES(whatever) game CAN NOT run on a computer because it does NOT contain all the necessary hardware for the games to run.

Here comes the fun part, do you see people playing games all the time on the computer? And next is the amazing part, no one reprogrammed the entire game just to run on x86 hardware. Amazing isn't it?

Just a little tidbit, the original UT has a software rendering mode where the CPU does all of the work. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!

The reason a game such as COH doesnt have such a mode because rendering everything with a CPU would be quite slow and it would be a waste of dev time to code in a software rendering engine just so 5 years from now you might be able to run it on a CPU.

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I mentioned that I couldn't hook up my monitor because my motherboard had NO graphics capability whatsoever. That was the point I was trying to make... without a dedicated video chipset you can't even run a basic display much less video games.

I mention folding at home because it demonstrates how different a CPU and GPU are. BlueGene, with its massive computing power, couldn't calculate ONE Protien fold in a thousand years, while a couple thousand networked x1900 can do multiple ones a minute.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2849&p=2

The biggest hurdle in this line of research is that it's very computing intensive: a single calculation can take 1 million days (that's over 2700 years) on a fast CPU. Coupled with this is the need to run multiple calculations in order to simulate the entire folding process, which can take upwards of several seconds. Even splitting this load among processors in a supercomputer, the process is still too computing intensive to complete in any reasonable amount of time; a processor will simulate 1 nanosecond of folding per day, and even if all grant money given out by the United States government was put towards buying supercomputers, it wouldn't even come close to being enough.


You talk of CPU's being able to do these things slowly, but it's SO slow that the point is irrelevant! you NEED a GPU to run graphically intensive games, it's as simple as that. You're telling me you can run the original UT with a CPU.. BIG DEAL! It's an ancient game, don't you get that? when a game is old enough you can run it on a CPU with a video-capable motherboard! I already said that, and you pointing out a game from 1999 doesn't prove your point at all because that's what I said earlier. Let me say it ONE MORE TIME. I'm sure a CPU can do graphics, but it is SO SLOW that them being able to do it doesn't matter.

And ill leave you with another thought, lets assume some things using your logic for a minute. A PS2/N64/SNES(whatever) game CAN NOT run on a computer because it does NOT contain all the necessary hardware for the games to run.

This is ridiculous. Every single console ever made has: a CPU, a Graphics unit, and some type of memory. The PS3 tried to get by with just the Cell but at the last minute they realized... "HEY! we need a -blam!- GPU to run games!" and even though they got one, it was hideously underpowered. Which is why the 360 has little disadvantage compared to the PS3... the GPU's of the two are ultimately the deciding factor in their gaming performance.

B) stupid as many things that are processed with the CPU show up on the monitor, it doesn't mean that the GPU made it faster at all.
This contradicts your statement that the GPU makes things faster... but I know that's not your point. You're trying to say that what a CPU does shows up on a screen? YES It does, right after all the things it does goes through the video components of a Mobo or a Graphics card. Of course that explanation is simplistic, but true.

Here comes the fun part, do you see people playing games all the time on the computer? And next is the amazing part, no one reprogrammed the entire game just to run on x86 hardware. Amazing isn't it?

You're telling me, that programmers are simply given a choice to "program in x86" and make it so you don't have to have a GPU, or make it so you have to have both? The answer is they can't simply "program" a game to look gorgeous and run off a CPU. With all the variables and differences between doing a spreadsheet and drawing a virtual world made out of millions of pixels you need a DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROCESSOR to do it well.


EDIT: and for the LOVE OF GOD get me a screenshot showing your computer with no graphics card running Company of Heroes at the same time before you say "you can run uber games with no video card" again.

[Edited on 07.22.2007 1:36 AM PDT]

  • 07.22.2007 1:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

You suck at arguing, you might as well become a politician that changes his stance every 5 minutes.


Posted by: Ryanman7
I mentioned that I couldn't hook up my monitor because my motherboard had NO graphics capability whatsoever. That was the point I was trying to make... without a dedicated video chipset you can't even run a basic display much less video games.

I mention folding at home because it demonstrates how different a CPU and GPU are. BlueGene, with its massive computing power, couldn't calculate ONE Protien fold in a thousand years, while a couple thousand networked x1900 can do multiple ones a minute.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2849&p=2

This has no point in the argument, it's a feeble attempt to sound smart and well informed. It doesn't fool me. I already know about F@H, GPUs, Cell, and CPUs. Here is the bottom line, there are certain applications where the GPU is considerably faster but those applications are more limited than with a cell which is not as fas but can run more applications, and finally even more limited than a CPU which can run everything.

Again, F@H has nothing to do with this argument.

Posted by: Ryanman7
You talk of CPU's being able to do these things slowly, but it's SO slow that the point is irrelevant! you NEED a GPU to run graphically intensive games, it's as simple as that. You're telling me you can run the original UT with a CPU.. BIG DEAL! It's an ancient game, don't you get that? when a game is old enough you can run it on a CPU with a video-capable motherboard! I already said that, and you pointing out a game from 1999 doesn't prove your point at all because that's what I said earlier. Let me say it ONE MORE TIME. I'm sure a CPU can do graphics, but it is SO SLOW that them being able to do it doesn't matter.

Does UT2004 count then? It also supports a software renderer, but it's not playable at 4 fps on my machine just in the menus, the CPU power isn't there yet for it. But then again you ceded your argument right here when you admited you can run a game without a GPU. YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!


Posted by: Ryanman7
This is ridiculous. Every single console ever made has: a CPU, a Graphics unit, and some type of memory. The PS3 tried to get by with just the Cell but at the last minute they realized... "HEY! we need a -blam!- GPU to run games!" and even though they got one, it was hideously underpowered. Which is why the 360 has little disadvantage compared to the PS3... the GPU's of the two are ultimately the deciding factor in their gaming performance.

Yes, i agree completely here, the PS3's GPU sucks so bad that Killzone 2 was really played on a 360... sigh
But then again you missed the point entirely.


Posted by: Ryanman7
You're telling me, that programmers are simply given a choice to "program in x86" and make it so you don't have to have a GPU, or make it so you have to have both? The answer is they can't simply "program" a game to look gorgeous and run off a CPU. With all the variables and differences between doing a spreadsheet and drawing a virtual world made out of millions of pixels you need a DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROCESSOR to do it well.

You already lost the argument before but now you are just digging yourself in to a hole. You can't just change from it's impossible to do to it's hard to do.

Posted by: Ryanman7
EDIT: and for the LOVE OF GOD get me a screenshot showing your computer with no graphics card running Company of Heroes at the same time before you say "you can run uber games with no video card" again.

I don't have the game, but if you want I can show you UT2004 with a software rendering option.

See you gave me the win here admitting that it is indeed possible to do, it's just not practical which is completely different than it's impossible to and I quote:

because as Btcc said a CPU can't do graphics.


You're silly :)

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  • 07.22.2007 2:23 AM PDT
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First off, for the record, me linking to anandtech hopefully doesn't make me look smart. I'm just posting what I read. But let me "rephrase" the whole point of that last post one... more ..... time.... although I really didn't notice how off topic we got.

Posted by: staticx576
It also supports a software renderer, but it's not playable at 4 fps on my machine just in the menus, the CPU power isn't there yet for it.

Posted by: Ryanman7
I'm sure a CPU can do graphics, but it is SO SLOW that them being able to do it doesn't matter.



The Dell I was talking about earlier actually ran Civ 4. None of the terrain showed up but trees, they were two dimensional, and and the game froze when you moved a unit. It ran though.
The point I'm trying to make, that I guess seems to be a matter of opinion to you? (I don't know honestly.) Is that I consider 4fps Unplayable at best, and in my "opinion" the same thing as the CPU not being able to run the game, while you consider the game starting and the menu appearing to be the same as playing it.

You suck at arguing, you might as well become a politician that changes his stance every 5 minutes
My biggest question is still "why does calling me an idiot make your argument more sound." I've refrained from trying to "put you down" despite me not being able to see the links in logic in your posts, while nearly ever other one you put down starts or ends with an insult. The thread isn't close to being locked but hopefully despite obvious disagreement we don't have to be -blam!-s.

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  • 07.22.2007 2:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

The whole point was you changed your point from impossible to do to not feasible to do. Difference!

And you are absolutely right about the insults. I am wrong.

  • 07.22.2007 3:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: staticx576
You suck at arguing, you might as well become a politician that changes his stance every 5 minutes.


StaticX for President!

  • 07.22.2007 4:30 AM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Methinks Static enjoys good arguements. ;)

  • 07.22.2007 6:32 AM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

What no one thought of is the fact that integrated chipsets are mostly CPU.

The Chipset just supplies the shaders, or whatever it supplies. Wait, what was the argument again?

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BUT do you agree that being able to run UT at 4 FPS is not the same as being able to play it? If you don't then yes, in the literal sense you can run the game.

Unfortunately I just don't know enough about motherboard video and CPU power to argue this whole point with you, I don't know what system specs you had or anything like that, and I can't argue the difference between integrated graphics and a GPU enough. I think I was wrong about the whole "need a Video-capable motherboard" to run anything because I was drawing off the experience with my motherboard and not others.

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Fred: Get the hell out of this thread already.

You have proven time and time again that you are ignorant about computer systems, computer programming and computer theory.

Ryan and BTCC are having very good discussions with Static and you pop in here to try to ride on their coattails spewing inane BS of which you obviously know nothing. I said it before and I'll say it again, you are this thread's resident moron. XP will only "live" on the desktop of the diehard and businesses which can't be arsed to upgrade. It's already been put in a grave and is awaiting the dirt to be shoveled over it, just as all aging Microsoft OS's have when a new OS comes out. There is a universal playbook Microsoft follows when releasing new OS's which ensures the last OS will be dead in the mainstream market within 2 years.

And what are you going to do when the first game comes out that uses DX10? Oh but XP is going to live... hahahahaha.

I don't do this often because, really, it's the internet and epeen stroking has never been my thing.. but every time you open your mouth, I want to shove my BSCS, MCSA, MCSE, MCP, A+, Net+, Server+ and CCNA degrees and certifications up your nose in the desperate hopes that you'll learn some more of the subject matter by osmosis.

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  • 07.23.2007 9:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

Well here since its seems that Rayman, Static and that bstcc guy (Pardon the spelling, while reading your posts i failed to really look at your name) know Computers well I only grasp the basic and a few more advanced settings. I know more then the average joe but not the higher end knowledge of PCs. Answer me this can I run H2 Vista with

1.79 Mhz processor speed.
512 Mgb RAM
128 MB FX 5200 Video card
Direct X 9.0c

It's been sometime since i've looked at my PC specs so pardon the misspellings.

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  • 07.23.2007 10:17 AM PDT

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No, I suggest you buy a new pc, next time you upgrade.

  • 07.23.2007 11:49 AM PDT

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Well here since its seems that Rayman, Static and that bstcc guy (Pardon the spelling, while reading your posts i failed to really look at your name) know Computers well I only grasp the basic and a few more advanced settings. I know more then the average joe but not the higher end knowledge of PCs. Answer me this can I run H2 Vista with

1.79 Mhz processor speed.
512 Mgb RAM
128 MB FX 5200 Video card
Direct X 9.0c

It's been sometime since i've looked at my PC specs so pardon the misspellings.

Nope, Desert Fox says the truth. Buy another PC. Or follow mine and other peoples' examples and make your own. That's pretty bad...

  • 07.23.2007 12:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

LOL make your own? I didn't even install the 128 MB card a friend did. Heh make your own, you mistake me for someone who knows a Computer inside and out I wouldn't know the first thing about making one.

  • 07.23.2007 12:36 PM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are. You are destiny.

Posted by: militaryguns
LOL make your own? I didn't even install the 128 MB card a friend did. Heh make your own, you mistake me for someone who knows a Computer inside and out I wouldn't know the first thing about making one.
I said buy a new one like Desert Fox said, or make one like other people have. Not necesarily(sp?) one or the other. I am sorry that my comment really insulted you and broke your feelings, my bad!

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  • 07.23.2007 1:05 PM PDT
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i cant get my multiplayer to work...help...i have all the requirements...is it broadband or modem?

  • 07.23.2007 1:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

You didn't insult me hence the "lol" part. THEN I"D BE DOING THIS. ;) Thanks for the apology, better then most people on here.

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take it from rayman here... building a computer is actually really easy. People think you're a badass geek if you can do it but really it can't be simpler. It's something like 14 parts (depending on your needs etc.), you just have to be careful. It'll take you an hour to learn how on the internet, three hours to build it, and you'll save a ton of money.

  • 07.23.2007 10:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

It always sounded difficult and it never sounded like it cost less. Does it really save you money?

  • 07.24.2007 6:40 AM PDT