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I'm not gonna buy a whole new operating system for a game. And I decided not to play Halo Vista when I heard you can program double shot, excessive shot, ect. to keyboard macros.


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You don't need too. Many of my friends have hacked it for xp.
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You don't even need to program a double shot. The BR and carbine shoot as fast as you can click your mouse or the 360 controller.

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I'm not gonna buy a whole new operating system for a game. And I decided not to play Halo Vista when I heard you can program double shot, excessive shot, ect. to keyboard macros.

No, the actual Double Shot, not pulling the trigger twice. By Double Shot, I mean like BXR.

  • 07.09.2007 11:17 AM PDT

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The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: FlapJack
It is a terrible port! On highest quality with 4xAA it uses up to 512mb of GFX memory...assuming you have it. That's just wrong. There's so many better games like F.E.A.R., Half-Life 2, Quake 4, Doom 3, etc...that I can run on medium to high quality and still get a good framerate. Note that I have an ATI X300 GFX card, a 1.73ghz Intel Centreno Processor, and 1GB RAM....all on a laptop...and Halo 2 was unbearable at low quality.


Yeah, I call BS on that. FEAR is much more graphics/CPU intensive than H2V. But lets be honest, your X300 isn't helping your cause.

  • 07.09.2007 11:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: FlapJack
It is a terrible port! On highest quality with 4xAA it uses up to 512mb of GFX memory...assuming you have it. That's just wrong. There's so many better games like F.E.A.R., Half-Life 2, Quake 4, Doom 3, etc...that I can run on medium to high quality and still get a good framerate. Note that I have an ATI X300 GFX card, a 1.73ghz Intel Centreno Processor, and 1GB RAM....all on a laptop...and Halo 2 was unbearable at low quality.


Well, what do you expect running below minimum requirements?



That's not my point...my point is, there are many many games with much better graphics...and the graphical improvements over the original Xbox title are not that great. This port could have been a lot better...the game is not well optimized at all! Games like the Unreal Tournament series are the most well optimized games I've ever played. When it comes down to it...this port sucks, because it is not well optimized and because an Xbox 1 game should not freaking use the resources it does.

And my point with F.E.A.R. it's more graphics intense...IE it looks better, and even on it's lowest quality it looks better. But I can run it medium and 95% of the time I get a very playable framerate, unlike H2V.

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  • 07.09.2007 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: FlapJack

That's not my point...my point is, there are many many games with much better graphics...and the graphical improvements over the original Xbox title are not that great. This port could have been a lot better...the game is not well optimized at all! Games like the Unreal Tournament series are the most well optimized games I've ever played. When it comes down to it...this port sucks, because it is not well optimized and because an Xbox 1 game should not freaking use the resources it does.

And my point with F.E.A.R. it's more graphics intense...IE it looks better, and even on it's lowest quality it looks better. But I can run it medium and 95% of the time I get a very playable framerate, unlike H2V.

My point still stands. It's like using a rock hammer to bang a ship bolt into place, sorry but your x300 is way outdated. Maybe you don't remember the original halo pc, your x300 would be the equivalent of running a geforce 2 mx series card at the time, not going to happen.

  • 07.09.2007 12:34 PM PDT

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You're still missing my point entirely. If my card can run the games I listed at good qualities (which even their lowest look better than H2V) than I should be able to run H2V on good quality. But I can't, because it's a lousy port with no optimization at all. There's no reason a game like that run as bad as it does. And beside, I've seen people with good GPU's that run the game like crap...it's just a bad port.

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Posted by: CrinnyCow
I was just wondering why not so many people play this game. I bought it thinking the online community would be somewhat strong but I have never seen any more than 57 servers online and less than half had people in them and even less than that had a playable amount of people in them. Halo 1 has more servers than this every day! So...why aren't people playing!?

Edit: Do you think it will get better? as in do you think more people will start playing anytime soon?

simple....microsuck released this game, along with re-tired gun, to make people buy vista....and to make gaming for pc's more like xbox 360....where you have to -blam!- pay for it. Vista was only out for a short while compared to other windows OS's. Most people don't have windows vista, and i think most won't buy it. (if you haven't, don't! either use the patch to run it in XP or get a fricken mac book pro or something! they can duel boot windows and OS X)
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It is a terrible port! On highest quality with 4xAA it uses up to 512mb of GFX memory...assuming you have it. That's just wrong. There's so many better games like F.E.A.R., Half-Life 2, Quake 4, Doom 3, etc...that I can run on medium to high quality and still get a good framerate. Note that I have an ATI X300 GFX card, a 1.73ghz Intel Centreno Processor, and 1GB RAM....all on a laptop...and Halo 2 was unbearable at low quality.


Well, what do you expect running below minimum requirements?



That's not my point...my point is, there are many many games with much better graphics...and the graphical improvements over the original Xbox title are not that great. This port could have been a lot better...the game is not well optimized at all! Games like the Unreal Tournament series are the most well optimized games I've ever played. When it comes down to it...this port sucks, because it is not well optimized and because an Xbox 1 game should not freaking use the resources it does.

And my point with F.E.A.R. it's more graphics intense...IE it looks better, and even on it's lowest quality it looks better. But I can run it medium and 95% of the time I get a very playable framerate, unlike H2V.

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AMAN!!! congratulations, Microsuck....You -blam!- ing failed miserably at what was supposed to be the greatest game of all time!!! You deserve it! and with less than 50 servers on halo 2 pc live, how the -blam!- can you say, "join millions on live and find a match".....plus matchmaking is horrible....
I'm so pissed off at you guys! You soiled a great game...

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  • 07.09.2007 2:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

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Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: FlapJack
You're still missing my point entirely. If my card can run the games I listed at good qualities (which even their lowest look better than H2V) than I should be able to run H2V on good quality. But I can't, because it's a lousy port with no optimization at all. There's no reason a game like that run as bad as it does. And beside, I've seen people with good GPU's that run the game like crap...it's just a bad port.


Well guess what, H2V isnt Doom 3 or Half-life 2 so it makes sense that it will run differently. Are you following?

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ill prob get halo 2 in like 6 months when the price has dropped alot like halo 1 pc has, just because i haent played the halo 2 campaign before.

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It's a good game. I agree it's a bad port. Poor graphics. But, if you can see past all that stuff, it's really fun. Oh, the reason why no one plays, is because everyone's discriminating against it bacause it's Vista only. And it's really new. More people will come soon when more people have Vista.

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Posted by: staticx576
Posted by: FlapJack
You're still missing my point entirely. If my card can run the games I listed at good qualities (which even their lowest look better than H2V) than I should be able to run H2V on good quality. But I can't, because it's a lousy port with no optimization at all. There's no reason a game like that run as bad as it does. And beside, I've seen people with good GPU's that run the game like crap...it's just a bad port.


Well guess what, H2V isnt Doom 3 or Half-life 2 so it makes sense that it will run differently. Are you following?


Sigh, you have just resorted to the "apples and oranges are different" theory. You obviously didn't get his point, after he has explained it 2+ times. No matter what card he uses (let's just forget whatever card he is using now), if he can run games such as Doom 3, and Half-Life 2 even at the lowest settings, and it STILL looks better than what H2V is hyped up to look like, something IS wrong with the godam port.

And seriously, just because they're "different"?! Games such as FEAR are much more intense in graphics desire than H2v, yet it runs better than H2? If you ran out of logic shields to defend this wannabe-PC game, it's better not to intimidate the enemy.

  • 07.09.2007 5:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: lpjuunin
Sigh, you have just resorted to the "apples and oranges are different" theory. You obviously didn't get his point, after he has explained it 2+ times. No matter what card he uses (let's just forget whatever card he is using now), if he can run games such as Doom 3, and Half-Life 2 even at the lowest settings, and it STILL looks better than what H2V is hyped up to look like, something IS wrong with the godam port.

And seriously, just because they're "different"?! Games such as FEAR are much more intense in graphics desire than H2v, yet it runs better than H2? If you ran out of logic shields to defend this wannabe-PC game, it's better not to intimidate the enemy.
I am afraid you are wrong to a degree. His video card is everything, I'm not protectiong the game, but I'm not cuddling up with it either. True, there are things wrong with this game, but it's also true that there is something wrong on his end also. H2V takes up more resources then most, but it is not even close to the system hog of the year award.

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Well i only bought Halo 2 because my friend and i have a history of development for the 1st one and he asked for my help in making 3D models for him, etc, for Halo 2.

I find that when i create a server via my pc my friends on 360 can't join them but i can join theirs. So i often just go onto my 360 to play but to be honest i'm not a huge fan of Halo on console any way.

Now going to the gameplay itself i find that it doesn't lag for me at all but having said that i don't really play it on Live because i know there are a lot of people on it who prefere to mod or cheat or whine when they get killed. From personal experience the Halo 1 pc gaming community is a lot better and i find it more fun to play. I find that a lot of the time people on the H2 servers hold a grudge and take things seriously like they'll purpously come after you relentlesly not even caring that they're getting the crap shot out of them in the process. There's also a lot of spawn campers or people who snipe as soon as you enter the server.

I find it rather funny when i challenge them to face me pistols only and they get their ass handed to them lol.

I think Halo 2 may get better because not everybody can afford or even want a 360 + Halo 3 but having said that if you can afford Vista and Halo 2 then that shouldn't be an issue..

  • 07.09.2007 8:22 PM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

It runs well on my GeForce 7600 GT.


Most of you don't deserve computers. YOu know nothing about them.

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Yes you're right i mean i haven't been building my own computers for over 3 years now after all lol.

I have a GeForce 7900, AMD 64+ 939 socket +3800 dual core, 2 GIG ram.

  • 07.09.2007 8:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

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Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: lpjuunin
Sigh, you have just resorted to the "apples and oranges are different" theory. You obviously didn't get his point, after he has explained it 2+ times. No matter what card he uses (let's just forget whatever card he is using now), if he can run games such as Doom 3, and Half-Life 2 even at the lowest settings, and it STILL looks better than what H2V is hyped up to look like, something IS wrong with the godam port.

And seriously, just because they're "different"?! Games such as FEAR are much more intense in graphics desire than H2v, yet it runs better than H2? If you ran out of logic shields to defend this wannabe-PC game, it's better not to intimidate the enemy.


I suppose you really are that special, you can't seem to follow simple logic(Desert Fox can). You quoted his argument almost as exactly as he said in your own words and then try to refute what I am saying by trying to say I have an old "theory." See where I am going with this one?

Of course the funny thing is that you defend Halo PC as if it was the best thing since sliced bread citing its flaws such as sub-par netcode as a plus that creates skill. Of course the irony here is that you know nothing about this game at all. Lag doesn't make the game at all, the xbox version had none, it had projectiles that took a split second to "get to their target". You can simulate this by firing a rocket at a moving hog, the bullets are nothing more than faster moving projectiles. Ill let you in on a little secret here, almost all FPSs have this.

You arent even good at this game anyways. You have no experience in either Halo PC or Halo 2 so how can you comment on how it runs? Here is yet another secret, Halo PC will be 4 years old this september and still has trouble running on bad cards, and it took a "super computer" to run it back when it was released. The top card back then, the 9700 Pro couldnt run it as well as the top card now, the 8800 series, can run H2V.

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Thanks for the interesting info lol.

I'm actually playing Halo pc at the moment using my 360 controller to see how it handles.. See if it's faster, in regards to combat, than a mouse and keyboard

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Posted by: staticx576
Posted by: lpjuunin
Sigh, you have just resorted to the "apples and oranges are different" theory. You obviously didn't get his point, after he has explained it 2+ times. No matter what card he uses (let's just forget whatever card he is using now), if he can run games such as Doom 3, and Half-Life 2 even at the lowest settings, and it STILL looks better than what H2V is hyped up to look like, something IS wrong with the godam port.

And seriously, just because they're "different"?! Games such as FEAR are much more intense in graphics desire than H2v, yet it runs better than H2? If you ran out of logic shields to defend this wannabe-PC game, it's better not to intimidate the enemy.


I suppose you really are that special, you can't seem to follow simple logic(Desert Fox can). You quoted his argument almost as exactly as he said in your own words and then try to refute what I am saying by trying to say I have an old "theory." See where I am going with this one?

Of course the funny thing is that you defend Halo PC as if it was the best thing since sliced bread citing its flaws such as sub-par netcode as a plus that creates skill. Of course the irony here is that you know nothing about this game at all. Lag doesn't make the game at all, the xbox version had none, it had projectiles that took a split second to "get to their target". You can simulate this by firing a rocket at a moving hog, the bullets are nothing more than faster moving projectiles. Ill let you in on a little secret here, almost all FPSs have this.

You arent even good at this game anyways. You have no experience in either Halo PC or Halo 2 so how can you comment on how it runs? Here is yet another secret, Halo PC will be 4 years old this september and still has trouble running on bad cards, and it took a "super computer" to run it back when it was released. The top card back then, the 9700 Pro couldnt run it as well as the top card now, the 8800 series, can run H2V.


Once again, you go on your assumption rampage. There are so much obviously-false assumptions here, it made me feel like I was watching 300 all over again.

First off, I know how the projectiles work, thank you very much good sir, in both real life, and in most FPS games. But am I saying the lag is a superior "feature" than all the others? No, I'm quite aware that that lag, was not only a mistake, but was never supposed to be a "feature" at all. But I'm sure YOU're aware that (quoting Nessy here a little), "leading your shots takes much more skill than clicking on computer icons"? Although I don't like you, I admit, I know you're smart. And I know you're aware of this.

Second off, you're acting just like Nessy nowadays. Is this bad? Maybe, maybe not, that's for the community to decide. Why do I say this? You take one good look at people's montages, and if it was below mediocre, you just automatically assume that person is bad in the game. I am not trying to pull off an elitist quote, nor am I attempting to brag in anyways when I say this, but I am better than you think I am. Has it ever occured to you that I never put omg-spectacular kills in my previous montages? (well at least until I release my final one I have saved that for my best clips) But maybe I should now, because elitist -blam!-s like you will continue thinking I "suck" in the game when I noticably don't.

And finally, I gave just as much logical sense into my post as Desert Fox did. What he did was disagree with me and explain why (which I respect, unlike "some" people who resort to saying they either suck, or tries to shoot the same -blam!- back at them), and I explained to you that you have obviously not understood FlapJack's point. There are no comparable logic bar here.
Yet, anyone defending any of your "defend-this-horrid-port-till-death" opinions, becomes much more "logical" than the enemies whom you are trying oh so hard to prove wrong? Are you TRYING to make friends?

And as a closing, enough with the assumptions. It gets quite annoying everytime you assume someone sucks, is special, is not "logical", is more "logical"...I can go all day buddy.

  • 07.10.2007 7:03 AM PDT

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the only problem with the console versions is there is almost no room for expansion and even added maps take forever to finally get implemented (and i've never been a fan of bungie messing with matchmaking)

the only reason i care for the pc version is becuase it has the map editor and i can hook my xbox controller up to it.

and thats great; you can macro double shot! haha, i guess pc players cant say they have skill enough to do the glitches if they can do it with a simple key press. i guess im getting ce, lol.

  • 07.10.2007 7:14 AM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Back 10 years ago when I was the age many of you are now, PC games were much different. Multiplayer was just coming onto the scene and really Quake 2 led the online revolution in that respect. But my point is that we judged a game on its single player campaign. Online was always bonus. I still look at it that way in fact. Most of my favorite games I never really played online. Some had no online.

Halo PC was really the first game where I actually enjoyed the MP more than the campaign. For that, it will always be special.

H2V has a very good campaign IMO. Very good. Personally, I haven't gotten into the MP but that doesn't bother me b/c I still see it as a bonus feature.

People aren't playing H2V b/c it sucks though, it is an issue of economics.

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Back 10 years ago when I was the age many of you are now, PC games were much different. Multiplayer was just coming onto the scene and really Quake 2 led the online revolution in that respect. But my point is that we judged a game on its single player campaign. Online was always bonus. I still look at it that way in fact. Most of my favorite games I never really played online. Some had no online.
Indeed. Games don't need to have a multiplayer feature in order for a person to enjoy it--hey, that Elder Scrolls thing is a big hit.

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Posted by: staticx576
Posted by: lpjuunin
Sigh, you have just resorted to the "apples and oranges are different" theory. You obviously didn't get his point, after he has explained it 2+ times. No matter what card he uses (let's just forget whatever card he is using now), if he can run games such as Doom 3, and Half-Life 2 even at the lowest settings, and it STILL looks better than what H2V is hyped up to look like, something IS wrong with the godam port.

And seriously, just because they're "different"?! Games such as FEAR are much more intense in graphics desire than H2v, yet it runs better than H2? If you ran out of logic shields to defend this wannabe-PC game, it's better not to intimidate the enemy.


I suppose you really are that special, you can't seem to follow simple logic(Desert Fox can). You quoted his argument almost as exactly as he said in your own words and then try to refute what I am saying by trying to say I have an old "theory." See where I am going with this one?

Of course the funny thing is that you defend Halo PC as if it was the best thing since sliced bread citing its flaws such as sub-par netcode as a plus that creates skill. Of course the irony here is that you know nothing about this game at all. Lag doesn't make the game at all, the xbox version had none, it had projectiles that took a split second to "get to their target". You can simulate this by firing a rocket at a moving hog, the bullets are nothing more than faster moving projectiles. Ill let you in on a little secret here, almost all FPSs have this.

You arent even good at this game anyways. You have no experience in either Halo PC or Halo 2 so how can you comment on how it runs? Here is yet another secret, Halo PC will be 4 years old this september and still has trouble running on bad cards, and it took a "super computer" to run it back when it was released. The top card back then, the 9700 Pro couldnt run it as well as the top card now, the 8800 series, can run H2V.


To Start, Halo 1 was ALSO a crappy port we know this. Now lets move on.

I have played half-life 2 and FEAR with an ATI 9550 (Around the same performance of an x300, give or take a little), and let me tell you they still looked great. Better than H2 Xbox. Not only that, they were (are) superior games in nearly every respect. Half-life 2 is still, IMO the second best game ever made and FEAR is almost as amazing.
Halo 2, on the other hand, gets framerate problems when you use an 8800GTX. THAT was flapjack's point, THAT was what all of you misunderstood, and THAT is why nobody plays H2v.

  • 07.10.2007 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

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The Halo pc part was for lpjjujijn, now that thats out of the way.

How simple can I put this? I know exactly what his point and I am not defending this port for it's graphics performance. It's just that the logic he uses is completely out of place. It doesn't matter how you think HL2 and FEAR looks because they are NOT THE SAME GAME. You can't say hey this old game runs really well on my old outdated hardware and then say this new game which my specs don't even meet the minimum requirements should run just as well.

Posted by: Ryanman7
Halo 2, on the other hand, gets framerate problems when you use an 8800GTX. THAT was flapjack's point, THAT was what all of you misunderstood, and THAT is why nobody plays H2v.


I should go tell my 8800 GTX that it should run halo 2 like crap because it seems to be running the game just fine.

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hmm well I heard from some other people that they were having some serious problems. is there a Nvidia driver release I don't know about? and what kind of settings are you running it on?

Ah and really though the analogy to other games HAS to make sense. If you want to void older games.... what about Crysis? Your card, for example, will be able to make that game look leaps and bounds better than Halo2 at a very playable framerate.

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  • 07.10.2007 12:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

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Posted by: Ryanman7
hmm well I heard from some other people that they were having some serious problems. is there a Nvidia driver release I don't know about? and what kind of settings are you running it on?


The 8800 GTX never had problems that I heard about.
Posted by: Ryanman7
Ah and really though the analogy to other games HAS to make sense. If you want to void older games.... what about Crysis? Your card, for example, will be able to make that game look leaps and bounds better than Halo2 at a very playable framerate.

And Crysis' engine is coded better, whats the point? DIFFERENT GAMES...

  • 07.10.2007 1:24 PM PDT
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I think the point is that H2V could have been optimised much better. But don't get me involved in this.

The reason H2V missed picking up a bunch of potential players was it's incredibly rocky release date. It seemed like "Um... can we buy it now? No? Ugh, forget this." to a lot of people. If Hired Gun stuck with a release date, then we'd probably have a LOT more players.

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