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Posted by: LOGIKALILLOGIK
Hmmm. you italicized the word under someone elses post you dumba$$...wow, thats not my post. Check your sources. Haha your shaking in your boots? You wear boots!? Wow...who the hell wears boots? And I have a complete legit reason for calling you a girl...woman. And to answer your question, no i'm not mad, I'm happy, this is enjoyable reading your stupidity. Oh and good comeback with the prophet of doubt. That was so good. I've actually got a theory that will disprove you in a matter of seconds, now I would tell this to everybody, but you wont leave us the hell alone. What a predicament. I'll just wait till you leave and then show my theories. And you said the TUE....TUE stand for the ultimate egg dipshi7. So you're basically saying.."the the ultimate egg". Good job. No education. *Slaps in the face" On ya kneeeees.[/quote]

Shaking in my boots is a freakin' expression. Where are you from the North Pole? And yes I were cowboy boots would you like to see how far up my pointed toe can go???? I think you would enjoy that. You act mad and can only get support from your cronies who have helped you out zero. i guess you guys like to PM each other. i see you talking the talk, but not walking the walk. you are all talk or word diarrhea as i like to call it. you want to slap me down to my knees. wow you are a big man for threatening me on the internet. should i run home now? i don't think so. go back to your original thread...


[b]OH WAIT YOUR ORIGINAL THREAD IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Go home. Go to your thread instead of spamming ours.





Seriously.

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>_>

Funny as it is, this is outta' my hands.

All I can do is offer my opinion which is that Sonic's is the official thread.

Death didn't receive consent from SJ that his material can be copied for use in another thread, therefore, rights belong to SJ until Death writes his own thread up.

Of course "official" is just a word that makes no difference because as long as Death holds belief that his thread is official, he'll have a few followers and they'll post in his thread, while the same is true with SJ's thread.

Neither is ACTUALLY official unless a forum mod tells you it is.

  • 07.13.2007 2:43 PM PDT
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Haha wow.

[Edited on 07.13.2007 2:45 PM PDT]

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Posted by: LOGIKALILLOGIK
Posted by: Stumpy99
[quote]Posted by: LOGIKALILLOGIK
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[quote]Posted by: LOGIKALILLOGIK
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Shaking in my boots is a freakin' expression. Where are you from the North Pole? And yes I were cowboy boots would you like to see how far up my pointed toe can go???? I think you would enjoy that. You act mad and can only get support from your cronies who have helped you out zero. i guess you guys like to PM each other. i see you talking the talk, but not walking the walk. you are all talk or word diarrhea as i like to call it. you want to slap me down to my knees. wow you are a big man for threatening me on the internet. should i run home now? i don't think so. go back to your original thread...


OH WAIT YOUR ORIGINAL THREAD IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Haha what if a am from the north pole? And no, i mean im sure you like shoving things up guys ba$$es but I dont swing that way man. And I don't have cronies, I am a croney stupid. Im not the leader. Therefore, I believe I'm a cronie, and I honestly dont need support, I think I'm doin pretty good on my own, what about you? eh?eh? HAHAH. Hmm...word diarrhea, never heard of it. Kool phrase though. You must have it cronic because im pretty sure I haven't seen you shut up once. No I dont want to slap you down, I want to slap you. You misunderstand. I slap, then you get down on your knees, Is it really that difficult? Hmmm, well seeing as I cant physically kick the hell out of you, I will resort to internet abuse. And should you run home now? Where the hell are you posing from? You at mommy's work using the computer? In that case, run like hell man...run like hell. Oh and thanks for making that bold at the end, I was having trouble reading your typing. Lmao.

[quote]Posted by: TheS7umpster
Haha wow.


trying out my name? Kool huh? Talk about copying.

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Everyone should check out my thread It is awesome!!!

  • 07.13.2007 2:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: hates head
Posted by: lStormShadowl
Look.....there are many threads in these forums that are about the same topic. If you guys from the so called "Official" thread actually spent your time looking for TUE instead of Spamming this one, then maybe you would progress.

You Stick to your Thread, and let these guys stick to theirs. This is about finding TUE not about argueing over who owns what thread.

And please...if you are going to reply to me then PM me and save space.


A PM is a waste of time and energy stormshalows. Why this thread is just spam not one thing has been accomplished since page 2. Sonic John's quest to go dinosaur hunting is over. You should turn to Death's thread from now on. It is the official thread.

This thread should be locked for exessive spamming


Alright, I decided to stay for a little while longer... long enough to say:

-blam!- you.

If someone could kindly do a IP check on all of the kids in here that post 1 minute after another like 3 times in a row with different names and the same opinion, you can see that they are all the same kid... and I think it's Death V2.

Why? Because look at hates head... his only 2 posts are in this damn thread. Hmm... also, run with scissors or whatever the hell your name is, same thing with him.

I've had it with you poser -blam!- ass clowns, get the -blam!- out of here if you're going to spam... I may not be helping anymore, but for all that I stand for in this thread I, nor anybody else, needs your retarded selves around here any longer. GTFO.

And just to make it so I didn't completely spam this post? I think I'll paste my old OLD acronym list here too, since I'm pretty damn sure the newer updated version got deleted in the old official thread.

JNAMSFTFY: (Work in progress)

Jump (Sputnik)

Nameless (Unnamed)

Acquire (Catch)

Murderer (Assassin), Myth (Mythic)

Seize (Catch), Shortage (Famine), Scarce (IWHBYD), Stealth (Envy), Storm (Thunderstorm), Special Ops (Unnamed), Stealth

Fete (Grunt Bday), Famine (Famine), Furious (Angry), Force (Sputnik)

Teamwork (Iron), Transparent (Ghost),

Fete (Grunt Bday), Famine (Famine) Furious (Angry)

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Oh and I love how Death V2 had Sonic Johns name in his first post, then edited it out... hes so clever. SJ should have got a copyright so he could do some legal action against this punk, but no, he didn't... oh well.

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I have the original post still il post it now

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What is an IP check?

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Posted by: SonicJohn
I feel that there's not enough searching for the Skulls going down. It's been ages since we discovered the orginal "Blind" Skull. We really ought to figure out the whole Acronym theory. Bungie (I'm sure of it) have already confirmed that the letters "EGATFIBGBCSIMAW" in a certain order do, in fact, unlock something subtle. And as we're getting closer to Halo 3 I propose a challenge for all of you "hardcore" and "casual" Halo 2 gamers out there :D.

THE CHALLENGE

The challenge is to completely figure out the whole Skull deal. It's been too long. Be it manual searching - "Trial & Error" - or any alternative method. The only problem I have is Modding, although, reading some Hex-file reading would be very useful.

There are many useful resources located at the bottom of this post.
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A list of Confirmed Skulls:

Envy
Grunt Birthday Party
Assassins
Thunderstorm
Famine
I Would Have Been Your Daddy
Blind
Ghost
Black Eye
Catch
Sputnik
Iron
Mythic
Angry
W ???
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Ah, help has arrived:
Here is a video showing an interesting find. There has been rumor that finding all the skulls in a specific combination will unlock the gate. There are sixteen different combinations, but I won't take credit for them. All credit goes to the wonderful people in this group.
The music in that Video is called "Requiem For A Dream"

However, here is a video by DeadlyDean contradicting and explaining that the BSOD is in fact nothing more than a Placeholder. If you need to ask him about it, I'm sure he'd be happy to give you an automated response ;D...

See here for a list of Skull Combinations.
Credit goes to TheKillaIsBack, and Howru.
TheKillaIsBack has also made a tutorial video on how to get the IWHBYD skull, here
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Possible Gates

Link to Gate/Door Descriptions and Vids

Those are the directions for the Triangles.
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Guide for Infinate Camo:

Get the Envy Skull (Delta Halo).
Start another level you want the Camo on.
Activate the camo in such a way that you'll be invisinble when a checkpoint message appears on the screen.
Save and quit.
Turn off your Xbox.
Turn on your Xbox.
Resume the game and you should have perma camo for that level.

Skulls (Only) Held On Completetion of Level Vids
Armory - By DeadlyDean
Cairo Station - By DeadlyDean
Outskirts - By DeadlyDean
Metropolis - A - By DeadlyDean
Metropolis - B - By BIO Culke
The Arbiter - N/A (yet) - Seems to be slightly impossible on Single Player...Co-op seems easier
The Oracle - By DeadlyDean
Delta Halo - By DeadlyDean
Regret - By DeadlyDean
Sacred Icon - By DeadlyDean
Quarantine Zone - N/A (yet)
Gravemind - N/A (yet)
Uprising - By BIO Culke
High Charity - N/A (yet)
The Great Journey - N/A (yet)

The reason that a Skull isn't not shown as being held is because the cutscene shown is actually the cutscene for the following level, so the Skull is discarded. The above will all be completed and filmed. This is (partly for kicks) to show that the Skulls are implented in the Script one way or another. Enjoy.

Skull Dropping - Sword Glitch
This is a funny little glitch (discovered during the Outskirts Skull run) that shows that sometimes - when the Chief is without weapons - when he drops the Skull, he pretends to strike up a Sword. Enjoy.

WHAT WE HAVE FIGURED OUT/UNDERSTAND SO FAR! Be wary of Shift Key

* EGATFIBGBCSIMAW IS AN ACRONYM, NOT AN ANAGRAM. BUNGIE HAS THUS FAR ONLY EVER WORKED WITH ACRONYMS

* THERE IS NO GOLDEN WARTHOG AT ALL.

* THERE IS NO OPENABLE GATE ON COAGULATION, HEADLONG, TERMINAL OR ANY OTHER MULTIPLAYER MAP THAT RUMOURS HAVE BEEN NOTED ON.

* PLEASE DON'T NOTIFY US ABOUT THE ASSASSINS SKULL....YES IT APPEARS ON ALL DIFFICULTIES ON REGRET...NO NEED TO RE-POST ABOUT IT.

* THERE ARE NO MORE SKULLS...ALL HAVE BEEN FOUND (ACCORDING TO BUNGIE)

* WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR SKULLS, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A PRIZE AFTER COLLECTING ALL OF THE SKULLS IN A CERTAIN ORDER

* WE'RE ALSO NOT LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC FINAL PRIZE, (EG A SKULL MENU), WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANY POSSIBLE CHANGE AFTER THE COLLECTIONS OF THE SKULLS.

* BUNGIE SAID THERE WASN'T ANYTHING ON THE SCALE OF A SKULL, THIS DOES NOT RULE OUT MORE EASTER EGGS. THERE MAY BE EGGS ON A GREATER/LESSER SCALE THAN THE SKULLS.

* ICE CREAM IS IRON...DON'T SAY DIFFERENTLY (SAYS SO IN THE HEX...AKA GAME CODING)

* NOTICE THAT BUNGIE HAVEN'T LOCKED (although Shishka has posted once) THIS THREAD YET...THIS MEANS THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING GOING ON HERE.

* THEY MENTION PLACEHOLDERS HERE SO THIS CAN MEAN THE SWITCHES ARE PLACEHOLDERS. BUNGIE ARE ALWAYS GIVING HINTS.

* THE POSTERS WITH 1 AND 7 IN THE IWHBYD ROOM ARE HINTING TO THE SKULL SPAWNING RANDOMLY 1 IN EVERY 7 IWHBYD RUNS.

* CO-OP SKULLS COLLECTING IS NOT A IDEA WORTH TRYING BECAUSE THE IWHBYD WILL NOT LOAD AND THE IRON THROWS YOU BOTH BACK YOUR MOST RECENT CHECKPOINT IF ONE OF YOU DIES.

* THERE WILL NOT BE ANY SKULL HINTS IN EITHER HALO 1 OR HALO 3.

* THE ARMORY SKULL CAN BE KNOWN AS: "WHUPPOPOTAMUS", "WOULD IT HELP IF I SAID PLEASE?", "COW BELL" OR THE MOST POPULAR ONE "UNNAMED". THERE IS JUST NO VISIBLE NAME WHEN YOU PICK IT UP.

* MOST OF THE PICTURES OF THE LEVELS SHOW THE AREA ROUGHLY NEAR WHERE THE SKULLS ARE LOCATED. THIS MAY BE IMPORTANT.

* WITH THE BLIND SKULL, IF YOU PRESS YOUR TORCH BUTTON, THE LIGHT WILL SPAWN WHERE YOU PICKED UP THE BLIND SKULL, IT WILL NOT EFFECT THE OTHER SKULLS. THE LIGHT JUST DECIDED TO GET LEFT BEHIND WITH THE SNIPER SCOPE.

* COLLECTING SKULLS ON THE 15 DIFFERENT PROFILES WILL STILL WORK IN THE SAME WAY AS IF YOU HAD GONE AND COLLECTED THEM ALL ON ONE PROFILE. THE SKULL EFFECT IS CARRIED OVER, UNTIL YOU TURN OFF YOUR XBOX.

* THE FLOATING GRUNT AND ELITES ON CAIRO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SKULLS.

* THERE ARE FLOATING BOXES AND OBJECTS NEAR EDGES OF MAPS (SUCH AS "THE GREAT JOURNEY" AND "GRAVEMIND") BUT THESE DO NOTHING MORE THAN FALL DOWN TO THE GROUND ONCE TOUCHED.

* YOU CANNOT GET A BANSHEE ON DELTA HALO WITHOUT ACTION REPLAY.

* NOT ALL MODDERS ARE BAD, MOST JUST MAKE COOL MAPS AND STUFF.

* "THAT'S JUST...WRONG" WAS DISCOVERED AT THE END OF A SKULL-HEX-LINE, THIS MAY BE THE TRIGGER MESSAGE FOR THE PRIZE, OR THE ACTUAL PRIZE. WE DO NOT KNOW AS OF YET. IT IS CERTAINLY NO SKULL.

* NUMBERS ON THE BACK OF THE SKULLS I DOUBT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ORDER.

* THERE ARE ITEMS AROUND THE SKULLS THAT HELP YOU DECIDE THE ORDER. THE ORDER IN THE HEX IS THE SUPPOSEDLY REAL COMBO (SEEN AS COMBO 9 IN THE COMBO THREAD)

* WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH MAKING VIDS FOR ALL THE LEVELS BEING COMPLETED WITH ONLY SKULLS. BE PATIENT PLEASE.

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Any more help on this topic would be greatly appriciated.
Big thanks to peeps helping already.

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Links:

The Very First Skull-Thread

Tri-Gate on Delta Halo

A Group On Bungie.net dedicated to searching for Skulls -- Check it Out

High Impact Halo's (Locked) Skull Forum

High Impact Halo's List of where to find Skulls

Bungie.net's very own Easter Egg Thread

My little Skull Sumarry on my website.

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If anyone's interested in this challenge, please feel free to pick up your Xbox controller, flex those knuckles, switch on any Instant Messenger with friends and get searching.

Join my Bungie Group The Halo Raiders

My Clan Site - The Halo Raiders

Join The Site that has it all (even though it's still being developed) The Halo Raiders (this doesn't belong to me though :P)

Expected Deadline: Halo 3's Release Date

Thanks for any help.
SonicJohn [/quote]

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Maybe death isnt on... look at how many posts a day he makes, not many at all, but good job on making another assumption. I think you cant handle the fact that more than one person things the other thread is official and should be kept instead of this spam dumpster.

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Posted by: Ashey Larry
Maybe death isnt on... look at how many posts a day he makes, not many at all, but good job on making another assumption. I think you cant handle the fact that more than one person things the other thread is official and should be kept instead of this spam dumpster.


I think the assumption lies in that many of the accounts are new and/or have little posts.

  • 07.13.2007 2:57 PM PDT

*sighs*

Is this really what it's been reduced to? Here's the situation, plain and simple.

SonicJohn had a year-old, 11,000+ post thread running before. It was arguably the greatest organized skull hunt on the forums - the search for TUE, The Ultimate Egg. Now, when the latest Crisis arose, SonicJohn's thread was deleted, along with all of the hard work of the other dedicated TUE-searchers. Since his work has been lost, SonicJohn is seeking to restart the hunt with a new thread (here).

That is why everyone is arguing over who should resume the hunt. There are those who say that Death v2's thread should carry the flag, and there are others who say that SonicJohn is entitled to restart his work. However, instead of being productive, the threads have been reduced to blatant flame-wars over who will pick up the search.

Personally, I believe that SonicJohn is entitled to continue. the hunt. He (along with SPAR10) founded the search a year ago, and I think that they should be allowed to restart and improve upon their work.

  • 07.13.2007 2:57 PM PDT

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STOP MAKING NEW THREADS. This is the stuff that gets me mad >.>. Stop please. Death, rename your thread so it says like "admin lock this" Or something if you dont want people posting in it.

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Posted by: superninjamonkey
STOP MAKING NEW THREADS. This is the stuff that gets me mad >.>. Stop please. Death, rename your thread so it says like "admin lock this" Or something if you dont want people posting in it.


I dont want trolls and spammers posting in it, so should I ask him to change it? Should he be forced to have his thread removed because of a few butt hurt idiots.

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Posted by: Demerzel
That is why everyone is arguing over who should resume the hunt. There are those who say that Death v2's thread should carry the flag, and there are others who say that SonicJohn is entitled to restart his work. However, instead of being productive, the threads have been reduced to blatant flame-wars over who will pick up the search.


Didnt sonic john go two years and not accomplish anything? Mhmmm, is he really the best leader?

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A SOLUTION!!!!!

We shall take our work here until we regain composure, let death do his thing, those people dont know what the hell they are talking about. We have all the info.

http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/119171/Group/GroupHome.aspx

Copy, paste, submit yourself if you are with Sonic John

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Posted by: Stumpy99
A SOLUTION!!!!!

We shall take our work here until we regain composure, let death do his thing, those people dont know what the hell they are talking about. We have all the info.

http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/119171/Group/GroupHome.aspx

Copy, paste, submit yourself if you are with Sonic John


Thats fine, private groups are your own area, have fun there.

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i will :] but it doesnt mean i wont stop here..a$$. I'm still gonna post here, you didnt kick me anywhere, im here

  • 07.13.2007 3:14 PM PDT
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Did anyone say you were being run off? Have fun.

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I got an idea...lets get back to work...while the other thread is spamming us lets....new concept, ignore them! and we'll definately beat them. We're doing the exact same thing they're doing...except we're spamming our home.

Ok so if anyone wants to experiment with different cutscenes changing in a skull combo, hbo has both a manuscript and a cutscene library. heres the link: http://halosm.bungie.org/story/ look on the left side bar and there should be both of them. Also, the other day I was fooling around with the soccer ball and discovered you could get in the pelican. That is definately not a glitch, you just jump up and hold x. It takes you to some wierd area where you're basically walking on water. It's probably nothing big, but you don't wanna rule anything out, right?

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Posted by: Beters
I got an idea...lets get back to work...while the other thread is spamming us lets....new concept, ignore them! and we'll definately beat them. We're doing the exact same thing they're doing...except we're spamming our home.

Ok so if anyone wants to experiment with different cutscenes changing in a skull combo, hbo has both a manuscript and a cutscene library. heres the link: http://halosm.bungie.org/story/ look on the left side bar and there should be both of them. Also, the other day I was fooling around with the soccer ball and discovered you could get in the pelican. That is definately not a glitch, you just jump up and hold x. It takes you to some wierd area where you're basically walking on water. It's probably nothing big, but you don't wanna rule anything out, right?


Notice which thread had more posts? Showing which was getting spammed more? The fact is people in this thread have acted like children, evading the profanity filters, using the N word, flaming, spamming, trolling, etc,

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Posted by: Death v2

Notice which thread had more posts? Showing which was getting spammed more? The fact is people in this thread have acted like children, evading the profanity filters, using the N word, flaming, spamming, trolling, etc,


Your other thread was locked and the one you have right now has no posts. Congrats.

Now shush.

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Posted by: Ashey Larry
Posted by: Rockets_Pwn101
To everyone im sorry about the flame i just have a temper and lose it sometimes from now on if i want to yell at you ill pm you


A mark of immaturity...

Posted by: Sketto
Posted by: Death v2
Zomg 4 days ago? Did I ever say I didnt edit it out? I said I didnt edit it out for your post.


Well it was there and the link that I posted proved that your whole post is copied/stolen from sonicjohn

So to see someone say "go post in death's v2 thread its official" but then say "whos SonicJohn" when your entire post is stolen from him is ludicrous.


Where did it say it was his property? Can you show it BELONGED to him, and wasnt simply something posted on a public web forum?


Ya i can show it was his property now that the other one is locked

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Did you ever consider that i requested it be locked so I could make a new one without the spam which ruined it AND this thread?

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Posted by: LOGIKALILLOGIK
Posted by: GrenadeMasterSte
Thank God you are here stumpy. I was practically on my own when i was fending off all of these flippin noobs. most of them left-- thank God again.
And to ashey. Stumpy is definantly right about this one. i will help him get you banned if i have to. you are a nucence to this thread


You are as bad as stumpy. The N-word is a no-no word. This is also off-topic. Where is a moderator when you need them. This should be locked.


no-no word. hehe

  • 07.13.2007 3:43 PM PDT