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Subject: Bungie became complacent

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Posted by: ktchong
There's a list of "Hottest Games" on N4G (News4Gamers) front page... Killzone 2 has just overtaken Halo 3 as the number-one hottest game.

It's the same thing over at GameTrailers (i.e., "most popular games") and other websites, which usually have ranking systems that list the most popular games that people talk about the most, search the most, and/or "bookmark" the most.

Halo 3 has been number-one on many of those list for the longest time. Now, Killzone 2 is overtaking Halo 3's popularity at those websites, one by one. This is bad.

Gee, Killzone 2 is currently being googled more than Halo 3, so it must be a better game!

Seriously, who cares? Both games have yet to be released so NOBODY has a clue which will be a better game.

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Posted by: ktchong
There's a list of "Hottest Games" on N4G (News4Gamers) front page... Killzone 2 has just overtaken Halo 3 as the number-one hottest game.

It's the same thing over at GameTrailers (i.e., "most popular games") and other websites, which usually have ranking systems that list the most popular games that people talk about the most, search the most, and/or "bookmark" the most.

Halo 3 has been number-one on many of those list for the longest time. Now, Killzone 2 is overtaking Halo 3's popularity at those websites, one by one. This is bad.

Gee, Killzone 2 is currently being googled more than Halo 3, so it must be a better game!

Seriously, who cares? Both games have yet to be released so NOBODY has a clue which will be a better game.


The Halo 3 hype started much earlier. Killzone won't be out until 2008, so I don't even care about the announcement.

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For me im happy what we got, and if this is all we got from E3 I would be happy. But of course theirs always room for jello.

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Not to mention what someone already said:

There are more 360s in peoples' houses than PS3s. That means, even if both games are equally popular, with x(let's say 50-75%) amount of system owners getting the respective game for its respective system, more copies of Halo 3 will be sold. From a business standpoint (usually the only other standpoint besides a moral standpoint worth taking) Halo 3 has much more potential. Not to mention the fact that I couldn't care less about this argument; I'm getting Halo 3.

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Guys, stop, don't pay attention to ktchong, mkay? Let's not bring a wonderful topic down. Now, let's continue our discussion where it has left off, and from now on, just ignore ktchong.

I am with, and always will be with, the minority on this matter. Yes, the majority does complain far too much, and someone needs to nock them down a bit. But if we don't give, they will want. But if we do give, they will say it's not enough. But, if we give them little peeps and looks once in a while, how bungie has done so with Halo 3, this will happen. Masses will cry aloud asking why not more? Masses will spam forum, send e-mails, send fan mail, send private messages, hell even protest, just so they are heard. The problem with the masses, is that they believe they control what goes on behind the scenes. But the fact of the matter is, is that they don't. For example, I seen a topic just last night talking about how someone 'didn't like the look of the scarab and that it should be changed'. In my honest opinion, that is a pathetic plea. Not only because the masses plea to those that cannot help, but they plea out of ignorance. The masses will never, and can never be happy. That is all my input at this time, and I hope that made at least a little bit of sense.

  • 07.11.2007 2:59 PM PDT
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Honestly, I think it's because it is Bungie and we expect them to be cutting edge. The graphics are still good and I am sure after about 5 mins of actual gameplay the graphics really won't matter, but there is something about the flat green armor and the general look that makes every character look like actioin figures, and frankly it is kind of disappointing.

However, Bungie did say they were going to focus more on the gameplay than on the graphics. They may just be a victim of thier own hype. What they can make can probably never match what we or they can imagine. And the truth is as long as the game itself is amazing and not just some tuned update like Madden than the graphics good or bad are just t-blam!-.

Whatever, I'm sick of specualating and the game is already sold, so i am just going to take a realy long nap till September 25th, like Rip Van Winkle long. Alright, maybe not that long, it's only 11 weeks away.

I would hate to be in Bungie's shoes though, that is alot of pressure. Microsoft is pretty much putting all there chips on Halo 3. Keep your heads up staffers.

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Bungie have been consistent in their design philosophy, and for some awful - if unsurprising - reason are being punished for not turning their franchise into a monochrome corridor crawl a la Gears of War. Killzone 2 is being rewarded for using a million shades of grey. The gaming public can be so depressing to follow at times.

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I will say this though; Bungie or Microsoft have done themselves NO favours with regard to this trailer. The video quality is terrible; it's a blurry mess. I'm sure the source material holds damn well on its own, when played directly... but most people have seen the trailer through a fuzzy G4 stream, a low res G4 program, XBLM or from Bungie's download, and none of those are really at a high enough bitrate or resolution.

I'm sure had the XBLM version used 200 to 300Mb, a lot fewer people would be complaining.

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Like alot of people have stated in the H3 forum, I don't care as much if the game lacks cutting edge graphical quality, but I do care about extremely well made game-play. I love the plot of Halo too much to concentrate on the graphical elements. Ignoring game-play, Halo has always done well in terms of visual appeal. to say Bungie is not doing that, or to disregard their efforts is completely ridiculous. Fans are entitled to their own opinions, but expressing doubt in Halo 3 is just a bit off the wall for me to accept.

Considering the previous Halo titles, the campaign game-play was excellent in both H:CE and H2. CE may have beat H2 in its content and plot, but H2's online was and is amazing. As Rokit explains; (paraphrasing) The masses cannot control what bungie will do with its games, our input is usually disregarded(besides the beta).

The members that spam the H3 forums with their crude behavior is something I think we have partially learned to deal with. I suggest if members of the community want to discuss H3 topics, they would have better luck posting threads in their groups. As sad as that sounds, I think its the best option.

  • 07.11.2007 4:54 PM PDT
Subject: This community is starting to dissapoint me. *cough*Halo 3 forum*co...

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I will say this though; Bungie or Microsoft have done themselves NO favours with regard to this trailer. The video quality is terrible; it's a blurry mess. I'm sure the source material holds damn well on its own, when played directly... but most people have seen the trailer through a fuzzy G4 stream, a low res G4 program, XBLM or from Bungie's download, and none of those are really at a high enough bitrate or resolution.

I'm sure had the XBLM version used 200 to 300Mb, a lot fewer people would be complaining.


In my opinion, better to underpromise and overdeliver. If they gave us all the golden nuggets now, it would result in 'flat' results at game launch, or even a revolt. People would say, "man, the E3 trailer was awesome, why didn't it get any better, this sucks now!"

As for the comments about Killzone, and the fact that Halo 3 has been #1 for so long, think of people's attention spans. Most people have the attention span of a 2-year old, and at the slightest new shiny toy, they'll go flocking. Ever watch the Family Guy episode where Peter starts the "Church of the Holy Fonz?" (episode title: "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Fonz")... My point exactly...

I'm very excited about Halo 3, and I think it's awesome that game developers are even taking time out of their schedules to provide so much content. It's exciting for all of us, we need to stop sounding so negative, like whiners. And no one likes a whiner...

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EDIT:
I will say this though; Bungie or Microsoft have done themselves NO favours with regard to this trailer. The video quality is terrible; it's a blurry mess. I'm sure the source material holds damn well on its own, when played directly... but most people have seen the trailer through a fuzzy G4 stream, a low res G4 program, XBLM or from Bungie's download, and none of those are really at a high enough bitrate or resolution.

I'm sure had the XBLM version used 200 to 300Mb, a lot fewer people would be complaining.


In my opinion, better to underpromise and overdeliver. If they gave us all the golden nuggets now, it would result in 'flat' results at game launch, or even a revolt. People would say, "man, the E3 trailer was awesome, why didn't it get any better, this sucks now!"


I agree with you that it's better to always have stuff to surprise with in the final product... but I don't think this trailer is something Bungie or Microsoft should be proud of at the bit-rate we've seen. Actually even with lower compression it'd still be a jumbled mess of footage clips which look great on their own but have no real structure to the whole. It looks like something you'd see in the "attract mode" rather than an actual trailer of the biggest game of the year for the biggest trade show of the year.

I just hope people look on this is as constructive criticism rather than a rant.

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[Bloody hell I'm editing a lot tonight...]
Actually, I'm sure all I've said above isn't really meant for The Septagon, so apologies for that.

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Frag, I see your point, but remember that we already got our well thought out, plot-filled, flowing trailer. Last year. This year's trailer probably wasn't meant to be a high-res, traditional trailer. It was probably meant to be what it is; bits and pieces of the game to show the gist of it, and a few Easter eggs for the guys like us, who break it down frame by frame (more like read about the people who break it down). We have already had two produced, quality trailers, it was due time for a montage of footage.

Now on to the on-topic discussion...

I'll be the first to admit that this community has some bad apples, and an abundance of people who just don't know the rules. As much as it is those users' fault, some of the blame lies on us; the long-time, dedicated users of the forum. I've been here for almost two years now, and in that time, I've come across (through post or PM) countless times by people who just didn't know the rules. What I should have done each and every time (but in reality, only did ever so often) was direct them to the rules, and CoC, then explain to them what they did wrong or answer their questions if they had them. If every time an experienced user saw another user clearly breaking the rules out of ignorance, and not malice, they gave the misguided soul at least a point in the right direction, we'd be at least that much better off. Until that happens more regularly, more and more users are going to be ignorant of the rules, and subtleties of this forum and ruin it for the rest of us.

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I'll be the first to admit that this community has some bad apples, and an abundance of people who just don't know the rules. As much as it is those users' fault, some of the blame lies on us; the long-time, dedicated users of the forum. I've been here for almost two years now, and in that time, I've come across (through post or PM) countless times by people who just didn't know the rules. What I should have done each and every time (but in reality, only did ever so often) was direct them to the rules, and CoC, then explain to them what they did wrong or answer their questions if they had them. If every time an experienced user saw another user clearly breaking the rules out of ignorance, and not malice, they gave the misguided soul at least a point in the right direction, we'd be at least that much better off. Until that happens more regularly, more and more users are going to be ignorant of the rules, and subtleties of this forum and ruin it for the rest of us.
Great point, I'm going to start doing that. It'll be my little attempt at trying to improve the community.

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Yeah. Currently, all I'll do is ignore all the screamers and spammers, but gently explain other violations to people, or explain where a thread should be if it's in the wrong place. I desperately want to point to the rules when people go around calling each other "noobs," but I know I'll get laughed out of the thread...

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I'm not much of a paragraph writer so I'll get straight to the point.

(In regards to the graphics) there is a fine line between constructive criticizm and whining. Sadly it seems most of the people in the Halo 3 fourms have crossed this line.

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Posted by: Old Papa Rich
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I'm not much of a paragraph writer so I'll get straight to the point.

(In regards to the graphics) there is a fine line between constructive criticizm and whining. Sadly it seems most of the people in the Halo 3 fourms have crossed this line.
I totally agree.

  • 07.11.2007 9:09 PM PDT

Eh, people are wanting, expecting and demanding too much from Bungie. The graphics look fine to me. Hell, I'd be happy if the graphics were the same as Halo 2.

  • 07.11.2007 9:37 PM PDT

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You can't expect everyone to like what they see. I personally required a change of underwear but I guess to each their own. Besides, the point to the public forums would be defeated with no conflict.

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  • 07.12.2007 2:09 AM PDT
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Gratitude?

Are you guys trying to be funny?

That E3 demo is not, as you seem to believe, a personal favour to you and me. A game has to be marketed. Advertised. Sold.

How dare you insinuate I am indebted, and therefore some kind of ingrate? You have an immensely skewed view of all of this, in my opinion.

Bungie has a product, they have shown an impression of what this product will look like. If a person, for whatever reason, is not impressed by the demonstration they have every right to that view, and every right (within reason) to say so. They don't owe you anything and they don't owe bungie anything, any more than bungie owes me anything. Me and bungie have a good producer/consumer relationship going on. They make stuff to sell, if I think it's good I buy it. And I do think it's good, I happen to have a high opinion of them and the stuff they make, but I'm by no means required to think that any more than I am required to buy it.

So get off your high horse, you have no business questioning the right of others to form their own opinion - no matter what it is and how they arrive at it.

I think some of you guys are letting your bungie-love dictate your reactions a little too much.

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Gratitude?

Are you guys trying to be funny?

That E3 demo is not, as you seem to believe, a personal favour to you and me. A game has to be marketed. Advertised. Sold.

How dare you insinuate I am indebted, and therefore some kind of ingrate? You have an immensely skewed view of all of this, in my opinion.

Bungie has a product, they have shown an impression of what this product will look like. If a person, for whatever reason, is not impressed by the demonstration they have every right to that view, and every right (within reason) to say so. They don't owe you anything and they don't owe bungie anything, any more than bungie owes me anything. Me and bungie have a good producer/consumer relationship going on. They make stuff to sell, if I think it's good I buy it. And I do think it's good, I happen to have a high opinion of them and the stuff they make, but I'm by no means required to think that any more than I am required to buy it.

So get off your high horse, you have no business questioning the right of others to form their own opinion - no matter what it is and how they arrive at it.

I think some of you guys are letting your bungie-love dictate your reactions a little too much.

It is one thing to voice your opinion, and I agree with that; but it is another thing when you spam forums with your opinion and not look before you post. I mean, for christs sake, there was at least twelve topics about graphics that day, all on the front page, at the top. Now, as I said, it is one thing to voice your opinion, but it is another to spam the forums with your opinion.

As for those of us that are saying what we are, how does that mean we are on a high horse? Just because we think it is good quality and they don't? No, because the consumers want what they can't have, and they don't see that. The game is beautiful, as Achronos has stated many times, 'next-gen' now has been considered games with a blend of dark colors; black, grey, and brown. What kind of graphics is that? Sure, it looks shiny, but that is not Halo. Halo is full of color, it is the light within the dark. Bungie has taken a large leap, a very large one, since they chose not to go with the gritty and dark look that is known for being 'next-gen'.

In conclusion however, we are not on a high horse. If anything, we are on our knees begging those on their high horses to get off. Those with the high horses are the ones complaining of the graphics when there is no reason to. Those on the high horses are the ones complaining about graphics when they don't give details. While we are asking them to stop. Again, it is a battle of opinions. But who's would you choose; the spammed opinion? Or the formally voiced opinions?

  • 07.12.2007 10:19 AM PDT
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I am disappointed with the community. I mean come on if Bungie's trying to keep some stuff secret I can't blame them. And I personally think the graphics are great. People in the community should just appreciate what they got. It's not like they didn't get to see anything at all.

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You can't expect everyone to like what they see. I personally required a change of underwear but I guess to each their own. Besides, the point to the public forums would be defeated with no conflict.

"I thought it was great, what do you think?", "I thought it was great!", "I thought it was great too!" "Great!"


I have no problem with disagreements. If someone else likes GOW or Killzone better than Halo, that is fine with me. I just hope we will use logic and reasoned arguments and not flame people who disagree with us.

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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

The great thing -- and largest drawback, of course -- about an internet forum is that it allows individuals to somewhat-anonymously post their raw, unrestrained opinions about a variety of subjects. Discourse in these forums is usually much more open than in the real world, where people are more worried about the public impression they give and tend to speak their mind through the filter of "appropriateness."

Here, we receive others' opinions and can then use them or refuse to use them to form our own. I am a big fan of the way that this forum is run -- minimal rules based upon the concept that opinions which contribute either way to discourse are to be allowed, while posts that contribute absolutely nothing (spam, flames, et cetera) to discourse are not allowed. These are the free-speech principles upon which the United States was initially formed, and they hold true today. The basics of the principle are these: only through unconstrained public vetting can the truth be found.

For this reason, I think that it's fantastic that people are complaining about the graphics and that Bungie is allowing them to do so. For every complaint that is "spammed" into the Halo 3 forum, valid rebuttals are quick to follow. An intelligent person will read the opinions, read the counter-opinions, and then make his or her own decision in the end. What many people do not realize is that spamming your opinion as many times as possible does not make it more convincing. For those of us experienced in persuasion and debate, it becomes obvious after a time that the only way to convince people of anything is through logic, reasoning, and well-thought-out and intelligent discussion with adequate support and backup.

I doubt that anyone is going to see 15 threads saying "Graphics suck b/c it doesn't look like GoW" and then change their mind because of it. The only way to truly convince a person of your point of view is through the methods previously stated. Most of the "grafix sux" threads are sorely lacking in this regard, while the rebuttals (especially those from experienced Bungie fans and Achronos) are patient and polite in pointing out why they are wrong.

In the end, most people, I think, realize that the technologies behind Halo's graphics are objectively impressive, while the subjective thought of the art style is purely a matter of opinion. Some of the spammers are intentionally trying to mislead people to believe that a subjective dislike of an art style can be translated into an objective lack of refinement. I doubt that most of us are stupid enough to believe this, despite what the spammers say. This is evident in the numerous responses contradicting and patiently explaining this basic concept to the "graphics haters." Not everyone likes the cubist art style of Picasso or the impressionist style of Monet, but it is difficult to sound sane while arguing that these artists had no skill. The same thought can be applied here, and I truly do think that most people can appreciate this simple idea.

To bring this back to my original point, though, the best thing about the Bungie.net forums is that such opinions are allowed to be aired and vetted here. This, in my opinion, shows Bungie's supreme confidence in both its work and its loyal Community. Censoring negative opinions is something that should never be allowed, and in my opinion, Community members should never be told to "shut up and show some gratitude." In this respect, I agree with RhythmKiller, though for a slightly different reason. Such actions lead only to dissension and more disinformation. When ideas and opinions are allowed to be discussed in the open public air, their falsity or truth can be much more easily discovered.

Argue, debate, and discuss, but do not censor. As Bungie itself practices this mantra, so too should its Community.

For this reason, I disagree with the original thread author.

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To bring this back to my original point, though, the best thing about the Bungie.net forums is that such opinions are allowed to be aired and vetted here. This, in my opinion, shows Bungie's supreme confidence in both its work and its loyal Community. Censoring negative opinions is something that should never be allowed, and in my opinion, Community members should never be told to "shut up and show some gratitude." In this respect, I agree with RhythmKiller, though for a slightly different reason. Such actions lead only to dissension and more disinformation. When ideas and opinions are allowed to be discussed in the open public air, their falsity or truth can be much more easily discovered.

I partially agree with this. But in my mind, I have to disagree with you on this Foman. As I have stated before, it is one thing to spam your opinion, and it is another to voice your opinion. I would be perfectly fine with everyone voicing their opinion, but instead they are spamming their opinion. Basically just shoving their opinion down others necks, instead of, like you said, posting intelligently and logically. To me, it is one thing if they hate the graphics for a reason, but it is completely different when they hate the graphics for no reason at all. I have yet too see a thread giving specifics on why the graphics are 'not good' or 'suck'. All I see is people saying 'it doesn't look good', 'they suck', 'it doesn't look like GoW or Killzone', just random stuff as such. If they were however posting logically, posting what they believe is wrong with the graphics, that would be a completely different matter; but that is not the case.

I understand where both of you are coming from, Foman and Rythm, but I disagree with some parts of your post(s).

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