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Subject: This community is starting to dissapoint me. *cough*Halo 3 forum*co...

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
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Overrating themselves

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Argue, debate, and discuss, but do not censor. As Bungie itself practices this mantra, so too should its Community.

Are you trying to -blam!- tell me that Bungie doesn't -blam!- censor anything? That a bunch of bull-blam!-.

  • 07.12.2007 1:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Suffice to say that sometime, a moderator is going to end this account permenantly.

I, in no way, want to censor people's opinions. If they have an opinion that differs from mine, that's fine, and I can agree to dissagree. Maybe I did not emphasize this enough in my original post, but what I really am dissapointed by, is that users often complain about a lack of information and when that information is finally given, they knit pick at it and complain some more. Now I have no problem with people just complaining about a lack of info, or just complaining about that info that they got- but it bugs me when they complain about both. They need to realize that bungie can't please 100% of the people here, and because they don't realize this fact, they just whine and complain about it until they're blue in the face.

I apoligize for my poor writing abilities. It seems as though I can't properly convey my message, and for that I also apoligize.

  • 07.12.2007 1:36 PM PDT
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  • 07.12.2007 4:36 PM PDT

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I don't really like participating in community threads because they almost always reek of hypocrisy. I will, however, comment on the high horse attitude with regard to discussion on graphics.

Unconditional loyalty to companies is a phenomenon particular to gaming that seems to have supplanted measuring the size of one's e-peen. Bungie.net is a striking example of this, and that's where the high horse comes in. People, for whatever reason, take pride in the fact that they are satisfied with the way things are looking (read: they have low standards, often love old-school stuff, and somehow feel superior because they blithely ignore the importance of good art), that they feel every suggestion or critique is a base attack which they would never resort to (they aren't big enough fans to want improvement), or that they'll take whatever Bungie gives them because they're diehard fans and it's good because Bungie says so, not the other way around. It's especially amusing when so many make it so obvious that they have some bizarre hope that Achronos will see their post and will rub his chin and go hmmm, that guy sure is a true fan. And it's even worse when they start making ridiculous claims about GoW.

And as far as formally voiced opinions, you can't really argue that that's a common feature of those posts in defense of Bungie's decisions. Again, there are as many, if not more, juvenile posts coming from Bungie loyalists that single out dissenters as "high-pitched kids" who won't have to be dealt with on the 25th, that state "gameplay > graphics" and other equally dumb and inappropriate platitudes, or that make trite remarks that people do nothing but -blam!- and whine (self-references, maybe?). It was the same way in the Halo 3 Beta forum -- there would be maybe one or two posts per page criticizing the graphics yet every thread would be filled with dozens of rabid fanboys with a persecution complex complaining about how "everybody" was bent on maligning Bungie and its art style. Having read a hell of a lot of threads the Halo boards, I am certain that the vast bulk of bad posts are definitely from this camp. If you think that even a plurality of half-assed rebuttals in Bungie's defense are more thought-out than the average graphics complaint, you're misguided.


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I go to the Halo 3 forums most of the time and i am stunned by how many people are being so spoiled in that forum. The most thing that is being talked about is the new Halo E3 Trailer and how the Master Chief and Arbiter are fighting with each other. Right now i feel like i want to tell the Halo 3 forum people to....."suck it up and deal with it."

I post in the Halo 3 forums all the time and i see this crap all the time and i am tired of it. That's why i came here. to see what you guys were doin.

  • 07.12.2007 9:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Suffice to say that sometime, a moderator is going to end this account permenantly.

Posted by: I Naku I


And as far as formally voiced opinions, you can't really argue that that's a common feature of those posts in defense of Bungie's decisions. Again, there are as many, if not more, juvenile posts coming from Bungie loyalists that single out dissenters as "high-pitched kids" who won't have to be dealt with on the 25th, that state "gameplay > graphics" and other equally dumb and inappropriate platitudes, or that make trite remarks that people do nothing but -blam!- and whine (self-references, maybe?). It was the same way in the Halo 3 Beta forum -- there would be maybe one or two posts per page criticizing the graphics yet every thread would be filled with dozens of rabid fanboys with a persecution complex complaining about how "everybody" was bent on maligning Bungie and its art style. Having read a hell of a lot of threads the Halo boards, I am certain that the vast bulk of bad posts are definitely from this camp. If you think that even a plurality of half-assed rebuttals in Bungie's defense are more thought-out than the average graphics complaint, you're misguided.
I agree with everything but that last sentence. I know what's going on around here also, and I do know that it takes two to argue. I'm just dissapointed in that its a constant cycle of argueing and flaming, rather than discussing and sharing opinions.

It'll take both sides to mature up some, and start sounding intelligent ( And I'm not saying I can't benefit from this advice either, I'm not perfect, but I can work on it. ).

[Edited on 07.12.2007 11:52 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2007 11:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tater Salad jr
Since the last campaign Vidoc was released, many users would often post, "Where is the next one?" and "We want more campaign footage!!" Now that e3 is here, us Bungie fans are quenched of our thirsty needs for more campaign footage. Yet, instead of gratitude from the members- I see complaints. WTF- Bungie finally gives us what we want and most of us say "those graphics suck!" This dissapoints me. Anyone else dissapointed in the community's negative reaction?
Dude, bungie did this to them self's. They said that the e3 2006 trailer was what the game would be..and it is not that good

  • 07.13.2007 7:45 AM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

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Posted by: Tater Salad jr
Since the last campaign Vidoc was released, many users would often post, "Where is the next one?" and "We want more campaign footage!!" Now that e3 is here, us Bungie fans are quenched of our thirsty needs for more campaign footage. Yet, instead of gratitude from the members- I see complaints. WTF- Bungie finally gives us what we want and most of us say "those graphics suck!" This dissapoints me. Anyone else dissapointed in the community's negative reaction?
Dude, bungie did this to them self's. They said that the e3 2006 trailer was what the game would be..and it is not that good

Yeah, because in a middle of a game, I often pause to think about the pixel shading on MC's armor. You want better graphics? Go watch Ratatooie.

[Edited on 07.13.2007 8:26 AM PDT]

  • 07.13.2007 8:25 AM PDT

Posted by: w00t n3wb 2
Posted by: Tater Salad jr
Since the last campaign Vidoc was released, many users would often post, "Where is the next one?" and "We want more campaign footage!!" Now that e3 is here, us Bungie fans are quenched of our thirsty needs for more campaign footage. Yet, instead of gratitude from the members- I see complaints. WTF- Bungie finally gives us what we want and most of us say "those graphics suck!" This dissapoints me. Anyone else dissapointed in the community's negative reaction?
Dude, bungie did this to them self's. They said that the e3 2006 trailer was what the game would be..and it is not that good


I thought that it was what they were aiming for (though in engine). Not to mention that people were nitpicking that video when it came out, too.

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People arent patient. If you dont want to read it then either dont come on here or dont click the thread. Its really that simple

  • 07.13.2007 12:17 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

Problem with that plan is that you have to read a post or thread in order to see if people are complaining (outside the obvious "OMG TEH GRAFIX SUX" thread title)

  • 07.13.2007 12:24 PM PDT
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What im really upset about is that everyone forgot about the viral marketing! Thats one thing Killzone,or for that matter ANY game has as far as advertising. Its just totally disappeared in the halo 3 forums!

  • 07.13.2007 12:41 PM PDT

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"I don't really like participating in community threads because they almost always reek of hypocrisy. I will, however, comment on the high horse attitude with regard to discussion on graphics.

Unconditional loyalty to companies is a phenomenon particular to gaming that seems to have supplanted measuring the size of one's e-peen. Bungie.net is a striking example of this, and that's where the high horse comes in. People, for whatever reason, take pride in the fact that they are satisfied with the way things are looking (read: they have low standards, often love old-school stuff, and somehow feel superior because they blithely ignore the importance of good art), that they feel every suggestion or critique is a base attack which they would never resort to (they aren't big enough fans to want improvement), or that they'll take whatever Bungie gives them because they're diehard fans and it's good because Bungie says so, not the other way around. It's especially amusing when so many make it so obvious that they have some bizarre hope that Achronos will see their post and will rub his chin and go hmmm, that guy sure is a true fan. And it's even worse when they start making ridiculous claims about GoW.

And as far as formally voiced opinions, you can't really argue that that's a common feature of those posts in defense of Bungie's decisions. Again, there are as many, if not more, juvenile posts coming from Bungie loyalists that single out dissenters as "high-pitched kids" who won't have to be dealt with on the 25th, that state "gameplay > graphics" and other equally dumb and inappropriate platitudes, or that make trite remarks that people do nothing but -blam!- and whine (self-references, maybe?). It was the same way in the Halo 3 Beta forum -- there would be maybe one or two posts per page criticizing the graphics yet every thread would be filled with dozens of rabid fanboys with a persecution complex complaining about how "everybody" was bent on maligning Bungie and its art style. Having read a hell of a lot of threads the Halo boards, I am certain that the vast bulk of bad posts are definitely from this camp. If you think that even a plurality of half-assed rebuttals in Bungie's defense are more thought-out than the average graphics complaint, you're misguided."


Wha... what? Are you serious? I've seen more idiotic and utterly senseless complaining at and about Bungie here than I have at any other forum; including this post. Granted, yours is the first I've seen that's actually seen the better side of a spell-checker and probably a dictionary, but it's still the same inane crap that's been repeated in so many other posts. "Waaah, you're all fanboys if you don't agree with my self-inflated ego. You're just a loyalist! You can't take criticism!" Amazingly, I've seen more of you tossers lie about statistics and other facts than any other kind of poster here, so the second I see this 'Everyone is against me!" attitude I feel perfectly justified in dismissing everything they (that includes you) say as crap.

This is not a phenomena confined to the gaming community, tools like you show up in every walk of life.


  • 07.13.2007 5:38 PM PDT
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"I don't really like participating in community threads because they almost always reek of hypocrisy. I will, however, comment on the high horse attitude with regard to discussion on graphics.

Unconditional loyalty to companies is a phenomenon particular to gaming that seems to have supplanted measuring the size of one's e-peen. Bungie.net is a striking example of this, and that's where the high horse comes in. People, for whatever reason, take pride in the fact that they are satisfied with the way things are looking (read: they have low standards, often love old-school stuff, and somehow feel superior because they blithely ignore the importance of good art), that they feel every suggestion or critique is a base attack which they would never resort to (they aren't big enough fans to want improvement), or that they'll take whatever Bungie gives them because they're diehard fans and it's good because Bungie says so, not the other way around. It's especially amusing when so many make it so obvious that they have some bizarre hope that Achronos will see their post and will rub his chin and go hmmm, that guy sure is a true fan. And it's even worse when they start making ridiculous claims about GoW.

And as far as formally voiced opinions, you can't really argue that that's a common feature of those posts in defense of Bungie's decisions. Again, there are as many, if not more, juvenile posts coming from Bungie loyalists that single out dissenters as "high-pitched kids" who won't have to be dealt with on the 25th, that state "gameplay > graphics" and other equally dumb and inappropriate platitudes, or that make trite remarks that people do nothing but -blam!- and whine (self-references, maybe?). It was the same way in the Halo 3 Beta forum -- there would be maybe one or two posts per page criticizing the graphics yet every thread would be filled with dozens of rabid fanboys with a persecution complex complaining about how "everybody" was bent on maligning Bungie and its art style. Having read a hell of a lot of threads the Halo boards, I am certain that the vast bulk of bad posts are definitely from this camp. If you think that even a plurality of half-assed rebuttals in Bungie's defense are more thought-out than the average graphics complaint, you're misguided."


Wha... what? Are you serious? I've seen more idiotic and utterly senseless complaining at and about Bungie here than I have at any other forum; including this post. Granted, yours is the first I've seen that's actually seen the better side of a spell-checker and probably a dictionary, but it's still the same inane crap that's been repeated in so many other posts. "Waaah, you're all fanboys if you don't agree with my self-inflated ego. You're just a loyalist! You can't take criticism!" Amazingly, I've seen more of you tossers lie about statistics and other facts than any other kind of poster here, so the second I see this 'Everyone is against me!" attitude I feel perfectly justified in dismissing everything they (that includes you) say as crap.

This is not a phenomena confined to the gaming community, tools like you show up in every walk of life.



It's funny because you went and did exactly what he said.

I agree with him. It doesn't bother me that people post their opinion on the graphics. I get far more sick of the bungie defence drones, personally.

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If somebody has a VALID comment about graphics, they should be allowed for posting it. Actually, IMO people who post "go die" in a rational thread (not a thread that states "Halo grahiahihcpics are the sucxozors and thAY nEDs to Be LiK da KilzonE 2 grapAHixes", ought to get some kind of warning.

People are complaining, because they wish to see something like Gears of War, and unfortunately most of the general public doesn't understand that, the "behind the scenes" e3 demo was VERY good. I attempted to point this out, but got shut down and abandoned it.

Not to mention, with large scale battles (Gears has 4-5 locust at the most), graphics like Gears are tough. Not to mention, with colors (we noticed the "green" in Halo 3, instead of the "brown" and "grey", not to mention purple, blue, yellow and red that wasn't blood"), and a 14 mile draw distance, something as good is a LOT tougher.


*edit*

In reply to the "fanboys post", the guy who disagreed, played STRAIGHT into the other guys hand, by agreeing with him. For some reason Bungie gets the same reception as (dare i say) for video game fans as a celebrity does, for "other practices" fans.

If you really want a less biased "opinion" about h3 graphics though, the Xbox forums are better. There aren't fanboys on the xbox forums cruising to slaughter the poor fellow who makes a comment like "the armor appears to be too plastic".

That is simply stating one's opinion, and it is a valid point. And keep in mind, ignoring a real problem does not help one bit. A coach that pushes you is far superior to a coach that lets you do nothing, and then get creamed by the other team.



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  • 07.13.2007 9:18 PM PDT
Subject: Bungie became complacent

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Posted by: TIGHCLOPS

Wha... what? Are you serious? I've seen more idiotic and utterly senseless complaining at and about Bungie here than I have at any other forum; including this post. Granted, yours is the first I've seen that's actually seen the better side of a spell-checker and probably a dictionary, but it's still the same inane crap that's been repeated in so many other posts. "Waaah, you're all fanboys if you don't agree with my self-inflated ego. You're just a loyalist! You can't take criticism!" Amazingly, I've seen more of you tossers lie about statistics and other facts than any other kind of poster here, so the second I see this 'Everyone is against me!" attitude I feel perfectly justified in dismissing everything they (that includes you) say as crap.

This is not a phenomena confined to the gaming community, tools like you show up in every walk of life.




I think every single post I've seen by you has been bull-blam!- without any sort of justification or reasoning. My goodness. Take this one, for example. The first half is irrelevant crap (I'm being frank), so I won't even comment on how stupid I think it is.

As for your claim that my post constituted a tired argument: I beg to differ. If it had been said before, I wouldn't have posted. But if you've seen commentaries on the high horse attitude demonstrated by fanboys before, you could have just ignored mine.

So to be sure I'm understanding you: I'm a tosser, a liar, a tool, etc. because I've noticed certain trends among fanboys. Now, I never said you were part of that group; you took it upon yourself to consider yourself part of that group, making my post applicable to you. So basically, you're a fanboy, and you know it, and that's why you got upset at reading true observations (and you further verified them), and felt compelled to defend yourself? Very telling.

As for your implied claim that I'm part of the whiny group, perhaps something you just made it up. I didn't say whether I like or dislike the graphics one way or another (and it's kind of interesting that you would take such offense of what you perceive to be a graphics complaint regardless of how valid the point is). I've actually written much, much, much more in Bungie's favor than criticism, thanks. I could have just as well noted some undesirable traits of the whiners if it weren't already done so many times in this thread. So you fail. Very hard. As usual.



  • 07.13.2007 11:36 PM PDT
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You know, after reading through nearly all of this thread one point stands clearest in my mind above all others:

THIS THREAD IS THE EMBARRASSMENT

I've seen only three posts in this entire pathetic barrage of fanboi raving that struck me as reasonable, logical and entirely honest observations (RythmKiller / Foman / Sir Fragula).

I'm sorry to say that the rest of what people are calling 'opinion' around here seems to me nothing but the usual nauseating sycophantic drivel I've become so accustomed to reading around here; and in particular this forum.

What people think of Bungie's PR for Halo 3 is their opinion.

There. That is exactly how difficult this entire pointless 'question' should be to any mind even remotely aware of the basics of free speech and the pre-requisites of 'community' (at least any community worth belonging to).

Bungie.net without critics.... LOL.... I'm getting déjá vu writing this post. You guys need to rethink what kind of a community you want to be a part of.

Edited: Add I Naku I to the list of logical posts.

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  • 07.14.2007 9:10 AM PDT
Subject: This community is starting to dissapoint me. *cough*Halo 3 forum*co...

The bungie community is filled with negativity. After being a member of it for more than a year I am now immune to all sorts of negativity in my day to day life. Thanks Bungie.net!

  • 07.14.2007 9:39 AM PDT

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95% of the minds thoughts are usually negitive. Negitivity is out there. I sure as hell know I got what I wanted, but the Halo 3 forum has been building it up way to much. Once the game comes out, they will be dissapointed. They have built their expectations too high.

  • 07.14.2007 3:28 PM PDT
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Well, some members make up rumors in the Halo 3 forum which builds up spam. I find the forum now a "Flood-like" forum.

  • 07.14.2007 5:33 PM PDT
Subject: Bungie became complacent
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Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Suffice to say that sometime, a moderator is going to end this account permenantly.

Note: after witnessing this thread unfold, I feel it is safe to say that both fanbois and critics complain and flame equally at least.

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  • 07.14.2007 8:59 PM PDT
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Gears, Killzone 2, and Halo have their own art styles, Halo has stuck to its art style and a I apreciate that. Gears and Killzone 2 are relatively new art styles in games, and people (especially me) like something like seeing that post-apocalyptic warzone atmosphere playable in a game that Gears and Killzone 2 have. In my honest opinion Gears and Killzone 2 easily beat Halo 3 in graphics technicaly. But, remember that Gears and maybe Killzone are situated in close quarters and compact environments, Halo 3's scope (I think) is on a massive scale, take the battle with a scarab or maybe even the pelican in the atmosphere of the halo for example, I think Gears, Killzone, and maybe even Crysis cant do this (Remember there are illusions of a massive playing field). But anyways we can only really judge these games when they are played.

  • 07.15.2007 12:13 PM PDT

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I totally agree, it's such a shame that Bungie went to all that trouble for a minority slowly rising to complain about it!

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