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Poll: Read below First) Is this a good idea?  [closed]
Awsome:  5%
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Probably:  5%
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I came up with this idea a while ago, and i want to know what others think.
The forunner are an ancient race of space explorers.The covies study them and their many structures. The flood are a race found by the forunner to be slaves but after they took the flood, they poisoned the homeworld. they took the flood because they can take over any body, and use its strenth. the forunner built halo as a weapon, and the flood helped build it becxause of the forunners powerfull persuasive mind. but it was not enough to keep them for long, and they went mad and started to attack the forunner. then they managed to lock them up on halo. and left.
What Think?

[Edited on 5/31/2004 3:43:09 PM]

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comon! what think?

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i'd have to disagree with you there.....i think the flood have just always been parasitic creatures...no control over them...they simply exsist to consume


[Edited on 5/31/2004 8:21:41 AM]

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Posted by: SplitChomp
i'd have to disagree with you there.....i think the flood have just always been parastic creatures...no control over them...they simply exsist to consume


same here

  • 05.31.2004 8:20 AM PDT
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Same here, they have always been hungry evil buggers

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absolutley not, first of all the forunners are not space explorers. i think the prophets secretely know that they are not related to the covenant. in the flood, the MC finds a marine, when 343 GS sees it he calls the marine "a reclaimer"....hmmm a reclaimer of what. and when the Monitor sees the covenant he has no idea what they are. since 343 GS knows who the forunners are its safe to assume the covenant are not related to the forunners, and possibly the humans are. the forunners built the library to study and contain the flood, but i dont think the flood have had time to infect so many covenants and humans. as for the covenant leaving halo, i have no idea y they would do that, perhaps (if they're still alive which they most likely are) they're on another halo installation

  • 05.31.2004 9:24 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

343 GS made many different comments to MC in the Library. He asked why he had brought such a low level powersuit to combat the flood. As well as inferior weoponry. He did comment that the MC's suit has a filter and atmosphere presurrizer and that he was smart to have one since the Flood would soon be changing the atmoshpere. All forerunner technology seems to be adept for humans. The doors, lifts, everything seems to be made for human convience not to mention the atmosphere and enviroment is geared especially for humans. Also, since we know that Halo was used once before, we can assume that the Flood almost escaped in the past and so activating Halo killed off EVERY sentient life form in at least 25,000 light year distance. (It is unclear whether the other Halo's were fired but it is safe to assume they did), now 343 GS told MC at the beginning of Two Betrayals that when the reclaimer asked him he would do it... he claimed to have considerably time. So whoever the first reclaimer was it was someone looking like the MC...(not a spartan, simply a human or one in a vac suit of some kind), also in FS when Cortana re-enginneered the Covenant weapons, (weapons they stole from Forerunner technology), she was able to turn it in a more accurate and deadly weapon, showing that the Covenant don't know how to us the technology they find but yet we do??. The most concrete of all eveidence showing that humans are the ancestors of the forerunner is that towards the end of The Maw, 343 GS was copying Human history, he said that he finally had a record of all thier "Lost Time" and that he would enjoy every second of it's catorization. Personally, what I think happened was that after Halo was fired, the Forerunner were wiped out, and over (God's knows how much time), humans re-appeared in the Sol system, yet the Covenant did as well.) And I beleive we are talking about just the Milky Way galaxy since there is no reference to any galaxy outside and 343 GS says once the other Halo's would follow suit if they were activated that "This galaxy would be quite devoid of life." My two cents on the Forerunner theory

Achilles

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I voted maybe.

  • 05.31.2004 10:17 AM PDT
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Great work achilles! I think you may have stumbled onto something...

  • 05.31.2004 10:43 AM PDT
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Finally 2 poeple who have actually read the books.
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I agree with both Achilles and Mandir1
I have mentioned most of the points earlier somewhere and they are true.
* when 343GS finds the dead Marine she tags him as having class 1 armor and tags MC as having class 2 armor...343GS said that there was actually a class 12 armor. at that moment the MC thought "A armor 6 times his current armor strength, he would be the first in line to try it"
* Both the MC and the Dead Marine are called as "Reclaimers" by 343GS and none of the Covenant are
* 343GS only leads humas to the Index and not the Covenant
* HALO has normal Earth Gravity + the Atmosphere and Weather are similar to Earth's.

conclusion: Forerunners are old Human Race or Human-Like

[Edited on 5/31/2004 10:55:01 AM]

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I stick with the theory that the forerunners are really the ancestors of the human race!!

  • 05.31.2004 10:55 AM PDT
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why would the forerunners need a weopon if they are so advanced

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Posted by: Wra7hofAchilles
343 GS made many different comments to MC in the Library. He asked why he had brought such a low level powersuit to combat the flood. As well as inferior weoponry. He did comment that the MC's suit has a filter and atmosphere presurrizer and that he was smart to have one since the Flood would soon be changing the atmoshpere. All forerunner technology seems to be adept for humans. The doors, lifts, everything seems to be made for human convience not to mention the atmosphere and enviroment is geared especially for humans. Also, since we know that Halo was used once before, we can assume that the Flood almost escaped in the past and so activating Halo killed off EVERY sentient life form in at least 25,000 light year distance. (It is unclear whether the other Halo's were fired but it is safe to assume they did), now 343 GS told MC at the beginning of Two Betrayals that when the reclaimer asked him he would do it... he claimed to have considerably time. So whoever the first reclaimer was it was someone looking like the MC...(not a spartan, simply a human or one in a vac suit of some kind), also in FS when Cortana re-enginneered the Covenant weapons, (weapons they stole from Forerunner technology), she was able to turn it in a more accurate and deadly weapon, showing that the Covenant don't know how to us the technology they find but yet we do??. The most concrete of all eveidence showing that humans are the ancestors of the forerunner is that towards the end of The Maw, 343 GS was copying Human history, he said that he finally had a record of all thier "Lost Time" and that he would enjoy every second of it's catorization. Personally, what I think happened was that after Halo was fired, the Forerunner were wiped out, and over (God's knows how much time), humans re-appeared in the Sol system, yet the Covenant did as well.) And I beleive we are talking about just the Milky Way galaxy since there is no reference to any galaxy outside and 343 GS says once the other Halo's would follow suit if they were activated that "This galaxy would be quite devoid of life." My two cents on the Forerunner theory

Achilles


Great Theory Achilles!!!!!, I Had A Similar Thought About The Forunners, Humans And Halo. Well Done!!!

PS sorry for the big quote lol :-D

-DarkMage

[Edited on 5/31/2004 11:00:35 AM]

  • 05.31.2004 10:59 AM PDT

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I agree with Achilles accounts and extrapolation on this. Although just because of the suit connection (Library) the "Our Lost time" connection (the Maw) and even the familiarity that all humans (AI included) have had with Covenant (-stolen Forerunner) technology i wouldn't necessarily label the Forerunners as humans.

theory 1: Forerunners were "humanoid" and also wore "suits", perhaps very similar to the MJOLINR, however there suits were much larger (maybe they were 10 foot tall humanoids with kick-ass armor). The reasoning here -is in the architecture in the game and the obvious quotes from GS. On Halo, there are areas and especially hallways that are unecessarily large, yet small ramps, elevators and tunnels which are perfect Spartan size, dot the levels throughout. This is the Mech theory.

Theory 2: The Forerunners are humanoids in the future (or distant past) who have had plenty of time to perfect technology and understand space AND time. This refers to the time/gravity crystal in FS. And i think this is what is so important about these artifacts. If the Covies get their hands on enough of them and use them (copy them like they do everything else) they can go back in time and destroy any race... even the forerunners themselves (that would probably only be the Pophets hidden agenda). But again this does not mean that they are human, i would hold out for humans being closely related to the forerunners or perhaps different races that are very similar.....humans are the closest thing to Forerunners to have evoloved since the disappearance of the mysterious powerful beings. This is the Time theory.

Theory 3: Well not really a theory but i wouldn't count on the Forerunner being destroyed by there own weapon, Halo. And another overlooked aspect of the Flood is that it is conscious.... it is sentient in a way. This refers to captain keys ordeal and the book The Flood in general. And i'd have to say as well that GS's quote from the Maw ("our lost time") is the most intriguing and revealing comment made anywhere in the books and in the game.

and Props to Achilles for gettin me thinking and no (or stupid) to this thread's forerunner theory!

[Edited on 5/31/2004 11:14:52 AM]

  • 05.31.2004 11:04 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Hmmm... good points Doom I have to admit I never thought of the Forerunner being humaniod. And I do agree the Flood are very sentient, 343 GS claims they have a very high intelligence, perhaps why the Covies sent in black-armored veterans to deal with the flood in "Keyes" they did not want them to fix the ship and get off Halo. Also, perhaps a ll little off topic but. At the end of FS, you have the prohept saying how, "It may yet be enough for our purposes...and one more relic from the Great Ones, as precious as they are, will make no difference to us." Now... obviously the Prohpets and the Council along with the Brutes are up to something major since even the Elite Protectors are confused and surprised. This is all specualtion but could it be the rumored Covanent Civil War? hmmm... I must dwell on this further.

Achilles

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Nice thoughts, Achilles, and Doom Stick, definitely well thought out and put together.

My agreement has to be that at this point it is undeterminant if the Forerunner truly have a connection to humanity. It could be seen that the Forerunner were indeed humanoid and that is why 343 GS mistook the marine, Mobuto, and John-117 for the Reclaimers. He believed them to be Forerunner, or maybe a descendant of the Forerunner. Additionally, I think we should all examine Mobuto - The Marine who somehow, without ANY augmentation that we know of, managed to get as far in the Library as he did!?!! How the hell could he!? It makes no sense unless he too might have been augmented. The Flood absolutely crippled the Marines, and it seems unlikely that ONE single marine could have made it as far as he did without some kind of miracle, or augmentation. Which brings me to a theory that Mobuto might have been a product of the Spartan-I project. Remember, Master Chief and all his fellow Spartans were Spartan-II's.

Anyway back to the point of this: The Forerunner
It could be seen that the Forerunner might have observed humans as well and seen them as the most productive race, after all, we're the only ones who HAVENT been stealing technology and have been producing it for ourselves! The Covenant have only been stealing Forerunner tech. Remember: The Covenant had been watching humans for a good deal of time before first contact, it could be seen that the Forerunner have as well, possibly for even longer. So why not leave something in their falling for another race to pick up where they left off?

The Prophets, in my opinion, are probably after God-state. Secretly, they are most likely trying to become Gods in the wake and are afraid humans might beat them to it. That seems likely I think. Anyway please give thoughts, wouldn't mind hearing feedback.

  • 05.31.2004 11:24 AM PDT

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You know i haven't thought about the whole Covie civil war thing, but now that you mention it Achilles, it seems very likely. I ask myself, "why else would Bungie have us playing as Elites and getting familliar and even liking them (in H2's MP), if it weren't for them playing a major role in the fight?"

With the addition of all these new enemies (the brute and who knows what else they got up their sleeve) I think it might balance things out if the elites (or a faction of them) revolted. Maybe not be on our side but atleast against the rest of the covie races.

The spec ops elites in Halo (the black ones you mention near the end of the game...there are also black Grunts too) were defintiely tough and had a special mission, it was most definitley the Covenants purpose to prevent the flood from leaving Halo. I also expect the spec ops Elites to make a return in Halo 2 (this time wearing white -OXM, last issue).

My question is (cause i can't remember if it was mentioned in The Flood), did the Covenant know about the parasitic Flood before going deep into Halo (they were already there studying Halo when the Autumn arrived) and essentially were they just playing with fire and always thought they could handle it (got burned) OR were they looking for an artifact... you know Forrunner installation must be a Forerunner artifact somewhere, little did they know it was a containment facility for something very new and very deadly to the Covies and Humans alike????


[Edited on 5/31/2004 12:03:28 PM]

  • 05.31.2004 11:31 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Good points. Yet I thought the Spartan I program was a failed one and was years before they started the II program. But this I cannot be for certain so either of our points are valid. As for the Covies, well, it would help out IMMENSLY if we knew the reason why they must eradicate us from exsistance. If we knew this, we would probably decipher the real intentions of the Prohpets. Though I agree with you that they want to acheive God-hood. As it was said eariler, they wish to mimic the great ones. Also, on the Forerunner observing both Humans and Covenant one must wonder why perhaps they did not intervene with and most puzzling of all, where they all went? Not knowing why they would up and leave is why I beleive they were destroyed by thier own creation... (Halo). But who knows, the Flood might have been one of thier creations too. Just cause a race is so advanced doesn't mean mistakes are made, a project with good intentions becomes the infection form by mistake. And I would rather like to beleive this since I doubt the Flood have a Home World. Since one, they would consume EVERYTHING and so they would eventually run out of food, and that they would just escape thier planet there. Though one can make the argument that like an planet or system there is a balance. Like an ecosystem.... but I don' think it would apply to the flood.

Achilles


[Edited on 5/31/2004 11:44:07 AM]

  • 05.31.2004 11:37 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

I don't think they knew the Flood exsisted, they were so intent on finding artifacts they ignored all warning that Cortana said were there. But speculation is about that the Prophets knew and didn't bother to tell the other races.

Achilles

  • 05.31.2004 11:43 AM PDT

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Spartan 004, you mention some cool stuff about Mobuto and the Forerunners. You make one common mistake though, no biggie. The Cheif and the Spartans are called Spartan 2's because the Spartan 1's lived in ancient greece. the MJOLNIR armore was made for very strong humans with suitable DNA markers who were augmented (somewhat experimentaly) to handle the suits capabilities. All marines have implants and augments to some degree but the Spartan II's are cutting edge (bio-technically and morally). Other ODST's that handled the suits were crushed by them. John and the gang were the first class of Spartans read my theory under "New Spartans" thread for more.

And are you sure Mobuto wasn't an ODST and not just a marine? Even if he was a marine i wouldn't sell him short (something i think we all have a tendency to do, i hope Bungie really does make the ODST's and Marines smarter and stronger this next time around). The cheif does think of how Locklear and him aren't so different. Plus you do see dead marines (well usually there gone cause they got up and zombied away) or atleast their supplies (ahhh... precious ammo) in all deep parts of the game. You gotta have faith that even a regular Marine in the future could still raise some hell.

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there was no such thing as a spartan-1 project because they only reason dr.halsey named them spartans 2s because the original spartans who lived in ancinet greek tmies or something were the best soldiers who ever lived and teh spartan 2's (dr.halsey's) were also the best soldiers who ever lived.

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Achilles, i can definately see a covie civil war coming into play considering it is a well know fact that the elites and brutes dont like each other and the brutes are the prophets protects sounds likely that something cud happen there

  • 05.31.2004 11:51 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Posted by: mithrandir1
there was no such thing as a spartan-1 project because they only reason dr.halsey named them spartans 2s because the original spartans who lived in ancinet greek tmies or something were the best soldiers who ever lived and teh spartan 2's (dr.halsey's) were also the best soldiers who ever lived.


My bad... I seem to have forgotten that. Not sure how... thanks for the correction.

Achilles

  • 05.31.2004 11:56 AM PDT
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Ooooh - Thanks to Doom for setting me right with the Spartan-I's, why I didn't realize that, escapes me. Anyway on to other thoughts:

A Covie Civil War!
It seems extremely likely, between now TWO vendettas. The Jackals and Grunts dislike each other, as can be seen in The Flood, which is the first vendetta that was established. The two feel each other superior to the other race. This actually made me think of the first possibility of a civil war. Now with the Brute/Elite possibility, this becomes even more interesting. Certain factions might be created, and it seems likely that Elites, being as highly regarded as they are, if they seperated from the Covenant could pose to be an entirely new threat of their own.

  • 05.31.2004 11:57 AM PDT

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All we really know about the Flood is that Halo was built to contain them (i.e. prison world) and Halo was also built to destroy them. Now all we know about this is when Cortana says "it kills their food". Does Halo, when activated, kill flood and everything else and if there are any flood that survived they atleast don't have anything to survive on? OR does it kill everything else (i.e. sentient life) -but leaves the Flood untouched- and that's how it starves them?

I think the Flood are some sort of genetic weapon, or some sort of experiment gone wrong or even maybe an engineering aspect of ecosystems - think -if the Forerunners could create a ring world with a bio-sphere they must have tried ways to regulate it.

  • 05.31.2004 11:58 AM PDT

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