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Subject: Who hates PETA?
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Lol, its better to carry a bat.

Seriously though, someone did that to me before in school, not because I was wearing fur but because I wore a sign that said "-blam!- PETA, watch the circus, eat the burger" after they were out in the hallways protesting a local circus. I didnt hold back any, I turned around and beat the -blam!- out of him. Proudest 5 days of OSS I ever spent.

  • 06.01.2004 3:14 PM PDT
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Hell yeah. Power to the people!!!!Down with the PETA crackheads!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 06.01.2004 3:19 PM PDT
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Damm hippies. I want animals to not be tortured or crap like that, but these guys are like friggin terrorist hippies.

  • 06.01.2004 3:23 PM PDT
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Yeah really. I mean come on. If they could get away with it they would kill anyone that hunts or eats meat.

  • 06.01.2004 3:25 PM PDT
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They want me dead!

  • 06.01.2004 3:57 PM PDT
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Proudest 5 days of OSS I ever spent.
I was charged with aggravated assault.

  • 06.01.2004 3:59 PM PDT
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Oh and forumrunner, i see you edited your post... all I can say to your snide little comment is "anything you can do, I can do better".

You want proof? How about this copy of a sentencing memorandum of one Rodney Coronado.

Here is a page from the Center for Consumer Freedom website, that details the known terrorists on the PETA payroll.

And here is an acual tax return linking PETA to Rodney Coronado and the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) even further. PETA is a tax-exempt organization, so their tax returns are public record and can be accessed by anybody. If you dont believe this page, go do some research for yourself, unless you are scared of the truth.


If im such a "lying piece of -blam!-", why are these organizations on the FBI's list of terrorist organizations, answer that for me?

  • 06.01.2004 4:24 PM PDT
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I'm a vegan. Which is more of an extreme form of vegetarian. Vegans not only don't eat meat, they don't eat ANYTHING from animals. No meat, milk, eggs, you name it.

People always ask me how I became vegan and what made me decide to become a vegan. Well, here is my story...

I used to eat meat. Yep, I wasn't even vegetarian. But that all changed over 9 months ago. You see, I've always wanted to be a vegetarian ever since I was very little because I loved animals. The only problem was that I never thought I COULD actually become vegetarian. I've been skinny all my life and I figured if I cut out meat I would probably die. And meat was like the staple thing I used to eat.

As I grew up and became old enough for a job (age 16) I was really glad because I knew I could buy all the stuff I wanted, like video games and DVD's! But then, on August 18, 2003, when I was at the age of 18, I was eating a homemade, beef hamburger. And after I had eaten down to the center of it, I noticed there was a really small piece of what looked like fat or gristle or something. It looked gross. I stuck my thumb to it, and as I pulled back, it stretched and then went back after unsticking to my thumb. It really made me feel sick seeing that. I couldn't help but think how bad it could be for me, and then... I started thinking about being vegetarian again. I was thinking, "well, I have a job, so maybe I can buy all the vegetarian food I need. And to help me, it was a good thing that a vegetarian began working at my work not too long ago at the time. I asked for his help in finding some vegetarian foods, and he helped me do just that.

At the same time he was helping me find foods to eat, I was also looking up all the vegetarian information I could find on the internet. I wanted to know every aspect of it. I wanted to know what animals went through, I wanted to know how unhealthy it wa to eat meat and whetever else I could find. But then, over the course of 2 weeks, I began finding out more and more on what vegans were all about. I really didn't know anything about them. All I really knew about was vegetarianism. But I was soon learning that becoming a vegan was the best way to go since you're still hurting animals even on a vegetarian diet. Just not as much. But I dind't want to hurt them at all. So then I was about to go even more extreme. I decided to become a vegan. So now things were more limited to me. I had to find even more of other things to eat. To help me, I started looking for ingredient lists to find out what was an animal ingredient, and what was not. To help me keep up with the list, not just on my computer, I created a web site with the lists I dug up and compiled, along with other helpful information. I used Geo Cities to make the site, and the site became http://www.geocities.com/biggreenvegan. Which is a spin-off of my old http://www.geocities.com/biggreenx web site. My new Big Green X web site hasn't been updated in a while, but was created due to the fact I couldn't update my old one for some odd reason. But my new BGX web site is http://www.geocities.com/thebiggreenx.

So anyway, as I found even more information on veganism, I found something I hadn't really thought about too much as I was going through a bit of a hassle trying to make sure I didn't end up buying and eating food that might have an animal ingredient in it. It was on a web site, I can't even remember where I saw it. But anyway, it said "you only have to find out about a product once." And that was it! That's all I needed to know to keep going. And it was so true. That's all I needed was to find out about a product once and then I would always know. It's not like you have to keep searching for the ingredients always. And after a while, it was very easy to just run into the store and grab what I wanted and go.

Also, I forgot to mention that there is more than just animal cruelty and health to worry about. But the environment as well. Even as a kid I cared for the environment and wanted to help. But you can't be an environmentalist and chow down on meat at the same time. So with all the benefits that come with being vegan, how can I refuse?


As for PETA, I don't hate them. But there are some things they do that I don't like. And that's because they have put themselves in a position where a lot of people hate them and aren't going to listen to what they have to say. And that's not a good thing for them to do for themselves if they really want to get the word out. You can't just go around bombing places and having whacked out riots. It's just giving animal protection and animal rights a bad name. They shouldn't do things such as commiting crimes to get their point and message across. And that reason is because people are going to look at them and what they believe in is a bad thing and might not have any part in helping them by doing things such as not eating meat. To me personally, what they do is something I would like to dream of doing, but wouldn't actually do it because I know that is not the way to succeed.

But PETA is more than the negative sides some people only see. They have also won lawsuites against places like KFC and Yum! And now they must must take better care of their chickens in the place they come from. Such as increasing the living space and improving the way they are killed. Like killing them with gas so they don't have to suffer. And to stop feeding them antibiotics which can be harmful to people (as you can see, the meat industry is only worried about profit regardless of the animals they kill or the people they hurt and even the environment. Just like the tobacco company). And yes, contrary to what many people think, MOST and nearly all of the meat people eat come from factory farms. Many factory farms have very cruel conditions that animals must endure. Staying in small, cramped spaces there entire lives and feeding them antibiotics to survive these conditions that can make the animals very sick and are tortured in the most cruel ways of killing them than you'd ever think was ever done to them. But the government doesn't care as long as it's "business as usual." It's no wonder the PETA gets as angry as they do. But they can't stop it with acts of crime. They might change some minds, but they may never change others because of their acts. And if you ask me, I think it makes them look crazy, even if they are not. And therefore they may be causing more harm than good for the cause.

I would like to change people, but I will try do it in an orderly fashion that lets people take their time in converting. Some people just can't quit just like that. Some feel they can but some feel they can't. Some people feel they might need more time. If peole already believe one way, then bombing a building or anything of that nature isn't going to change mids just like that. People need time to accept a new way. You can't just force people to change either, they have to be able to decide for themselves. That's what PETA needs to understand. And I probably couldn't make them think that way by bombing them now could I?

cheers,
Twisted Chains





  • 06.01.2004 5:30 PM PDT
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**sniff** Real good. I know a vegan. He lives in Miami. He eats lots of veggie burgers and veggie dogs which have nothing to do with meat, but taste real good too. I eat meat almost every, single, day and I can say that I just don't feel the remorse for the animals like you do. I think it's wrong for people to treat animals like they do. For some of you, watch Animal Planets' Animal Precinct for like 2 episodes and you will never look at animals the same again.

As for PETA, I agree with the ideal that animals should be treated with more respect but I completely hate them for all those terrorist acts and such. God put His animals on Earth for other animals to hunt and use them. For example, you won't see a renegade band of wolves protesting against deer killing. Sure, some of you may say that as a sentient species we have the obligation of protecting those that don't posess the same intelect, but it's all the same to other animals. We eat animals to survive, as do other animals.

  • 06.01.2004 6:01 PM PDT
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Did you ever think that eating meat is part of life and that it's natural. Animals do it.And meat is the least fatening thing you can eat unless you deep fry it or something.I agree that animals have rights and shouldn't be abused. (that's why I don't like Mexico. No animal rights. I have no problems with mexicans just their stupid country.) But I can't understand why anyonne would want to be a vegetarian.Also, hunting is nescasary. Without natural predators there would be too many game animals if no none hunted.

  • 06.01.2004 6:09 PM PDT
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I think many people here would find their statements of reasons for eating meat is 'good' might see a better picture and bigger understanding of why it is indeed bad if they went to this link at vegan.com. It's a good FAQ's for all people... http://vegan.com/faq.php

I remember reading a lot of stuff there, but I'm not sure if I recall anything about hunting. But if you aske me, I don't think it's as a good idea to think that it's up to rednecks for the deer's sake of survival. Many people forget that nature can take care of itself. And it's only when people get involved that something in nature will go wrong. But that's a very complicated and long discussion. But if I may give examples of why people are the reason that rain forests are being wiped out, animals are becoming either endangered or extinct, the air is being polluted as well as the ozone depleting, resources are being used up, global warming continues to worsen every year. And because of this and so much more the earth is deteriorating at a large rate. All and only because humans have become involved. The best thing people can do is just let nature take care of itself. And if a deer gets hit in the road... well... people put the road there through the place the live. Eventually, when people destroy the Earth (whether they know thery are doing it or not) to the point there's nothing left for anything in nature, there will be nothing left for people. That is, unless most people were to eventually, and finally chage their ways and get smart about what they are currently doing and change it to where all of these world threatining issues are no longer a problem. One big step in doing that would be to become either vegetarian; or a bigger step, vegan. And you could solve many of the world's problems in one big and major sum. And then it works out for everyone in the end.

cheers,
Twisted Chains

  • 06.01.2004 6:50 PM PDT
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Nah, I like meat too much.

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Posted by: D von
Nah, I like meat too much.


Then you should fear the future...

cheers,
Twisted Chains

  • 06.01.2004 7:07 PM PDT
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That was very well said, Twisted Chain. I am not against vegetarianism/veganism/whatever else its called, but I beleive it can be a noble cause if someone feels remorse enough for animals to not eat meat. But what i do mind is terrorists.

But a few flaws in your post... vegetarianism in fact, is not healthier. That gristle you saw, is fat, the stuff that is in your body and helps you survive. I have done extensive research into the whole vegetarian subject (that is why i have posted this thread in the first place), and without meat, or any major part of the human omnivorous diet, you are losing an extraordinary amount of energy (that is why the Atkin's diet is under so much heat right now). There may be ways to get those nutrients you are missing, but in reality there is no better thing than acually eating the full range of foods that humans were intended to eat.

As for the argument of farms mistreating animals... that is propaganda. That is why it is important to look deeper into any subject, look at it from BOTH sides of the argument and from both sides of the political spectrum. I know how farms work, and I know the law. The law forbids the abuse of animals in farms, and sets certain standards of living that must be met by the owner. If he breaks these laws, he either gets fined, gets his animals taken away, or goes to jail. If you honestly think that the majority of farms out there are the ones you see in a video with a man kicking a pig on the ground and the cow being hung by its neck from a crane and dropped from 10 feet, then you need to have a reality check. The truth is a very small percent of farms in the US have been busted for abuse. Its less than 1%, in fact. Now the fact remains, that even KFC might have had bad living conditions, it is entirely unethical to rally outside of a resturaunt handing out buckets of blood to people walking out with their food and children. And attempting to pick a fight with one of them, with their children nearby, mind you, and afterwards getting their asses kicked and hiding behind an assault charge that the family man who was walking out of the resturaunt and was just going to enjoy his evening meal with his children and fought a man not out of spite, not out of political reasoning, but because of SELF DEFENSE, got handed with. Ethical?

Now you may think the good in PETA outweighs the bad, but if you look into the matter a little further, the little small things, you will see that PETA isnt there for ethics, they are there to get what they want and to get rid of everything they dont like in the world, even though they have no right to tell other people how to live their own lives. Just the same as how they have no right to tell me that me, my mother, both grandmothers, uncle, and grandfather should be dead right now because we shouldnt use animal medicine. I have artherisclerosis that has developed at an extremely young age (i am 15 right now). My father died 7 years ago at the age of 40. Without animal medicine, he would have died 10 years before, and Iwould never have knew him (or more likely, never have been born). I like to think he died so that i could realise my purpose in this world. And i have. This is my purpose, to fight against an organization that threatens our very American lifestyle.

Notice that i am not trying to wish ill will upon you, i started this post civily but i got pissed halfway through and it turned into a rant. I dont mind vegans, just people who want to push their oppinion on me.

*edit* and also on your oppinion on hunting... you say that humans do not fit into the equation. You need to realise that humans are natural predators, and we have been here for thousands of years hunting. If we were to stop hunting alltogether, the deer population would spike and we would lose vegetation at an exponential rate... see, i am concerned about the envirnment too. If you want prrof of this effect, look at Australia. They stopped hunting alltogether... now they are at emergency status because of the overpopulation of Koala that is eating the land dry. They recently ordered 10,000 Koalas to be killed to help release this stress on the environment down there. Oh yeah... PETA protested that too, even though it was acually for the planet's own good.

[Edited on 6/1/2004 7:31:57 PM]

  • 06.01.2004 7:20 PM PDT
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for me to say that they are a bunch of domestic terrorists who have a skewed view of reality would be ignorant, but i dont think PETA deserves anything more than ignorance



[Edited on 6/1/2004 7:25:38 PM]

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stonewall 007,
Actually, it is healthier not to eat meat and you can get all that is required through plants. With all of the plants availiable out there, how could you not get the nutrients you need. You can combine plant foods and get the same nutrients you receive from meat. Minus the unhealthy animal fat. And while you do need fat, you don't have to have to get it from animals. There are plenty of plant fats you can consume. One of the best ways I like to get fat is by eating fried vegetables such as potatoes, squash and many others.

As for the animal testing, I'm not so sure where I stand on that issue. While I don't like the idea they are being tested (by the way, no one asked the animals if they wanted to be tested on. Now that's being pushy), I do understand that it benefits people's lives by finding medicines and such, and what other way are you going to test that these medicines do indeed work... or not work? I'm not sure, and as you can see I do look at both sides because I am unsure about this issue. But I know that there are some people who will volunteer to have something new used on them that hasn't been tested befor because they need something right a way. And sometimes these medicines will work. And if they work on that person, should we still continue to use that medicine on animals? It sounds good to me just to stop testing a medicine on animals that they find out already works (or doesn't work). I would at least like it if animal testing was limited as much as possible.

But on the concern of eating, I think that if you don't have to eat an animal product, then why do so? Why do it when you could otherwise spare an animals life that doesn't have to end. Or suffer for that matter. And the government doesn't really care what factory farms do. Only when a large group of people like the PETA start to complain and not let up until something is done. Only then is something done. The meat industry didn't start out caring and isn't going to start now until something steps in it's way and makes it change. And the same goes for the government.

cheers,
Twisted Chains

  • 06.01.2004 8:05 PM PDT
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I hate PETA, and dogs. There isn't much of a difference between the two, I mean they are both dirty, stupid, and they both deserve death, so I suppose it isn't much of a surprise that I hate them both.

  • 06.01.2004 10:04 PM PDT
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LOL! oh man, this thread is SO going to get locked.

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Posted by: Grandest
I hate PETA, and dogs. There isn't much of a difference between the two, I mean they are both dirty, stupid, and they both deserve death, so I suppose it isn't much of a surprise that I hate them both.


If you give your dog a bath it will be clean. That's funny, it's the same with people. Hmmm... and the same with suffering too. Oh, and they scream just like people do when they suffer. I wonder what that means??

Oh, and stupid you say? Well there aren't too many bright people anywhere. Just look at some of the posters in these forums. The only thing they are smart about is Halo and Xbox. Don't get me wrong though, there are many intelligent people here as well.

Posted by: hangbrain
LOL! oh man, this thread is SO going to get locked.


Why is that? It is a good discussion. And it's not like complaining about religion where your never going to get anywhere.

cheers,
Twisted Chains

[Edited on 6/2/2004 2:03:27 AM]

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Posted by: Simen
I don't hate people who care about others. Animals thinks, just not in the way we do. They feel pain, they feel love, they communicate and have needs just like we humans do. Many people kill, just to kill something. To many parents give there kids pets, without helping there kids. There is to many bad things happening against animals and somebody should stop them. If PETA can do that, i will support them.


Animals do not love. It is all instincs. Protect the young so the race can progress and evolve. Do you think your dog or cat really loves you? They just want the food you provide. Those dogs that save their owners are only doing it to protect their way of life. It is all instincts.

  • 06.02.2004 10:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: Captain K Mart
I sould tell you guys, the other week, a mountain lion stumbled into our neighborhood, and later the police shot it to death. Well, not so close to my neighborhood, and I was at school while it happened.


Are you saying that you wanted them to leave the animal to walk around and end up killing some little girl in the park? You wouldn't be so loving towards it then would you?

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Posted by: forumrunner
Hey, man! I'm not easily bothered, but this bothers me much. PETA's goal, as I understand it, is not to prevent animal testing but to prevent needless suffering because we don't give enought of a -blam- to make considerations for the critters we conduct our tests on. If I'm wrong about this, be sure to flame me...

Humans are animals, too. We aren't plants, fungi, bacteria or protists, and there are only five kingdoms. I don't like when people bully those under thier power. Have you considered the interpretation that God (supposing God exists- let's not get into an argument about that here!) created us as caretakers with the purpose of using our greater influence to improve conditions here as opposed to the popular interpretation that we're here to enslave and dominate for no reason other than that we can?

Edit: Hey, hey! What do you think Adolf Hitler though about God's intended place for his "master race" in relation to all the other "inferior" beings? I'm soo gonna burn in flame mail for the sins I'm now commiting against the one species God intended to be deserving of rights... Oh well, it was worth it.


Most PETA members just sit at home signing petitions to set animals free, ban animal testing, and make it illegal for anyone to even think of eating meat. Not all of them are out there burning animal testing labs, but there are quite a few that do. That is why they are on the FBI's list of known terrorist organizations (no lie). You can sit there and say that this organization is only against uneccessary cruelty, but I was driving down the road one day and saw a PETA sign that said if you chained your dog up you were going to hell.

  • 06.02.2004 10:50 AM PDT
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My opinion though, is the only good terrorist hippie group is the one that goes around bombing H2 factories.

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Posted by: forumrunner
Mmmm, chicken. I think that whether other stuff was put here specifically for us to eat is probably beyond my ability to try to debate, but it seems kinda silly to me that someone would create a world with lots of different flavours of life JUST so that one species can enjoy the many different types that are edible- which are probably just a tiny fraction of our planetary biome. I said before that I think it's alright to eat other life forms. Everybody has to do it. If we aren't supposed to, why were we created as beings that have to? I don't like the fact that laziness of meat farm employees and greed of owners causes lots of terrible stuff. I feel that we have a responsibility to ensure that the food we raise for eating, furs, research, etc. doesn't have to endure any suffering that isn't required by the purpose we grow them for.

I heard that many yummy chickens sit in cages too small to stand up in thier whole lives, covered with chicken drips because farm (factory?) employees don't want to pay for more space and labor than they have to- and end consumers won't pay for it either. I don't trust the source I heard it from as well as I trust my own eyes, but it does sound like something humans would do, judging from my experience...


Have you ever heard of Kobe beef or fois gras (sp?). Kobe beef is where they take a calf suspend it in the air so it never uses any of its muscles and then they gorge it and slaughter it. It is the best beef you can buy and is sold at exponential prices. Fois gras is where they take a goose and shove a funnel down its throat to gorge it. They do this until the liver weighs more than the rest of the goose. They slaughter the goose and take the liver to feed to people. This is also quite expensive. Am I outraged at this? Not in the least. I actually chuckle whenever I think of fat calves suspended in the air. I will also add that I am a practicing Catholic and still have no problems with this. PETA believes that animals are humans. They are most certainly not. Killing a dog is much different than killing a man.

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Posted by: Stalking Puma
My opinion though, is the only good terrorist hippie group is the one that goes around bombing H2 factories.


The funniest part of that story is that they actually spray painted Greenpeace all over the walls and the cars that they didn't set alight.

  • 06.02.2004 11:00 AM PDT