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Subject: Who hates PETA?
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Im vegan.

  • 06.02.2004 12:04 PM PDT
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Anyways, they are allowed to have oppinions to!

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Grandest, i have to disagree with you on that. Those are the types of companies that give the whole meat industry a bad name with activists. If you are concerned about the quality of your beef, get some A1. I love meat as much as the next man, but animal rights technically isnt a bad thing. Its just the the extent to which some people are willing to take it that IMO is bad. IMO oppinion animal rights means every animal gets the privelege to live healthy and die painlessly. And in other people's oppinions, animal rights means that animals shouldnt die, period. I can respect both oppinions, but its the extreme stuff, like no pets, no animal testing (i mean all animal testing, IMO it should be limited but not completely thrown out), no seeing eye dogs, ect. that gets to me.

  • 06.02.2004 12:10 PM PDT
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Just kidding, im not vegan.
Screw the peta.

  • 06.02.2004 12:12 PM PDT
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My whole point is that animals have no rights and shouldn't have any. Period.

  • 06.02.2004 12:42 PM PDT
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They are -blam!- animals!! who gives a -blam!- about their rights!!!

  • 06.02.2004 12:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Reclaimer
They are -blam!- animals!! who gives a -blam!- about their rights!!!


My sentiments exactly.

  • 06.02.2004 2:32 PM PDT
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i hate peta, because i love steak.









I eat vegitarians.

  • 06.02.2004 5:16 PM PDT
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Stop Bumping this -blam!- up. It sucks.

  • 06.02.2004 5:17 PM PDT
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EDIT: well that's strange, now it allows me to edit after submitting the post I made after this post...



[Edited on 6/3/2004 3:54:06 AM]

  • 06.03.2004 3:27 AM PDT
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EDIT: Okay, here is what I was trying to attempt in the above post...


I can't believe some of these replies. This is just about all I ever think about because it bothers me so much. Animals are being used against their will, and it's totally unfair. Everyone must count on everyone to act good towards them. Everyone wants to walk around in public and not have to worry about someone else shooting them or killing them by any other means. We must rely everyday on other people to use their best judgment in not do something to ourselves. Simply because we are human ourselves is just one reason we feel for each other to not want to do something bad to one another person. But unfortunately there are some people who want to kill other people, and it does happen. Then the family is left sobbing becase the life of their family member was ended when it didn't have to. And the person was forced against their will who otherwise would have loved to live. And unfortunately there are people who want to kill billions of animals around the world. And it's sad that it isn't stopping simply because the law doesn't forbid it. And it's sad that it is sold in places like supermarkets and fast-food places. If there's no sense in it then it shouldn't happen!

The PETA are not the only people who care about animal rights. There are plenty of other people who are all for the same cause but feel different about how the issue should be thought about or handled. There are people like me who feel it's stupid to bomb places and make yourself look dumb. If anything they are making matters worse for themselves and other people who believe in the cause by commiting such crimes. They should only be trying to speak out and help people convert. Forcing people does no good for anyone. If someone were to force me to stop eating meat back when I used to, I'm not so sure I would have ever stopped. I had to find my own reasons and my own meaning. And it varies with everyone. There are actually some vegetarians/vegans who are the way they are simply because of health, or some other reasons. Not everyone is vegetarian/vegan just for animals, and that seems to be PETA's main stand they keep pushing upon people. If they want animal killing to stop for the sake of animals, then they should allow people to quit for their own reasons. Even if those reasons aren't just for the animals, it's still in favor of what PETA wants. And this is what PETA needs to understand.

Anyway, just from personal experience and hearing other's experiences, if anyone was to quit eating meat for just a few months they might find out that you never look at meat the same way you did before. It is very appalling for me too look at meat and churns my stomach to smell it in the air if say... my dad is cooking it in the house. But what can I do about him? Nothing really, just have to let him find his own way. Which he sort of is thinking on the lines of being a vegetarian. Since he is middle-aged, he thinks more of his health and tries to cut out more meat form his diet than he used to. At his age he has to worry about heart attacks. So lately he's been trying to watch his meat intake and is try to adopt a little bit of a vegetarian diet. All without force.

EDIT: By the way, yes, I know that PETA stands for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and that is WHY they mainly push animal rights in people's faces without letting people find their own reason's for converting. But that's simply not the way to do things if you want to succedd. If they want things to work in their favor, then maybe it's time for a new name and new ideas.

cheers,
Twisted Chains

[Edited on 6/3/2004 4:02:03 AM]

  • 06.03.2004 3:52 AM PDT
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peta is a is a group full of (brace yourselves for my new word) turdified hippies, who have no tolerance for anyone else and think theyre always right. Most of them dont realise that most modern products couldnt exist without animal testing

  • 06.03.2004 9:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: elmicker
Most of them dont realise that most modern products couldnt exist without animal testing


Well, perhaps for PETA it's something they would be willing to sacrafice for the sake of animals. As for me, as I've mentioned in an earlier post, I don't quite know where I stand on animal testing. But anytime there is an alternative for using animals, I say go for it! Just like there is an alternative to eating them.

cheers,
Twisted Chains

[Edited on 6/3/2004 9:35:30 AM]

  • 06.03.2004 9:34 AM PDT
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Before you call me evil, take into account that I don't believe in any god(s) in the western sense. My beliefs lie closest to Shinto.

Mankind is the dominant species on Earth. Why? Because of our technology. It is our technology that has allowed us to round up these creatures and use them for our own purposes, be they medical testing, as a food source, or for simple entertainment. That is the order of things. Absolute planetary superiority has its perks, you know? I'm more concerned about nuclear weapons ever-increasing in power (wanna get knocked into the sun?) and pollution - things that actually threaten us. Animals, keep their populations stable and you can do whatever you want with them. I'm sure an equally barbarous alien race would do the same to us, or not (depending on how "civilized" they are). I would hate it, but I'd accept it as the order of things and probably kill myself. Now violence against fellow humans - that is intolerable and must be punished.

There. I will eat meat as long as I see fit, and if you have a problem with that remember the G36 I (will) have.

  • 06.03.2004 10:12 AM PDT
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Okay, being the dominant species doesn't mean we have to kill just because we can. It's not neccessary to prove that. But now that we have proved we can do it to anything and anyone, then lets just stop all the nonsense all together. I can go out and kill anything or anybody at any given time. But I'm not going to because I have compassion for life. And being the dominant species and given our capabilities, we can make the order of things we do whatever we want it to be. It's not just one way. I have chosen my way and it is different from yours. So as you can see, it's not just one way. We are fortunate to be able to choose the way of life we want. I don't know why people don't always choose the most wisest and the most compassionate way of life. But that's the problem with many people in America anyway. Nearly all of them think they have to go and live one way. They usually don't make decisions for themselves or think things through. They just go along with the system until they are dead, which makes their life meaningless. I'm an American, but I'm not your average think the same way everyone else does American. I keep an open mind all of the time. That's why I questioned the way I was living. I used to eat meat but I thought about the way I was raised and living until I finally decided it was the wrong way and changed it. Something most Americans are incapable of doing. They don't want to question the only life they've been living and know. They will only adopt trends such as the Atkins diet, regardless if doctors and other experts feel that it can be highly unhealthy and dangerous to your health if you only eat on the Atkins diet. I'm not sure if anyone has seen on the news not too long ago where a school was thinking about changing it's food to the Atkins diet. They said on the news that would probably be very unhealthy since the kids wouldn't be receiving all the neccessary nutrients. Instead of the Atkins diet, they've said people should stick to more fruits and vegetables. Something that's been known for a long time, yet people keep searching for more, other 'solutions.' Like how to lose weight with a pill instead of exercising and eating right. Again, something that's been known to work for a long time. But lets face it, most of America is too lazy and lack the motivation or brain compacity to do something good with their lives.

Riddle me this: If more than 60% of America is obese, are we really sure that most of America makes the most wise decisions for themselves? Well, certainly not on the part of eating I would say.

cheers,
Twisted Chains

[Edited on 6/3/2004 11:21:57 AM]

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So i guess I dont make my own decisions because i eat meat? I eat meat because i want to. If i wanted to follow a trend, I would be a vegan. But I dont, so im not.

I dont think that because one group of people beleives in something different, that means they should try to redifine life for millions of other people. Did you ever think of the fact that if meat were outlawed, millions more people on earth would be starving? Meat is a major food source to the world, getting rid of it would condemn more people to hunger. Even in america, there are poor people here too.

I am a christian, and when i see other christians protesting homo-blam!-s and bombing abortion clinics in an attempt to redifine the way other people live, I want to throw up. Its called free will and personal choice.

As for the argument that meat is unnatural and unhealthy for a human.... im pulling a major bull-blam!- card on this one. Yes, meat causes heart disease and other stuff. That is because people enjoy it too much. You (people) need to learn how to balance your whole diet, and not eat a 18 ounce steak every night. Meat needs to be eaten in moderation for a healthy diet, just like everything else in humans' omnivorous lifestlye. Meat is a healthy part of the human diet. To say meat shouldnt be eaten by humans and is not natural, is nonsense. Those pointy teeth, starting in the middle on your top row, the third set from the center. Know what they are called? Incisors. Canines have them, as well as many other carnivours and omnivours. They are made for tearing meat.

Other animals eat meat, are they evil? If meat were to be taken away, what would my dog eat, beans? Is my dog purpetuating an evil society of meat eating canines who dont think for themselves?


And you people posting with threats towards vegans and nonsense non-constructive replies, shut up. This is a debate thread, not a flame thread.

  • 06.03.2004 12:26 PM PDT
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First of all, the Atkins diet is a new trend that's been around, what? A couple of years or something? However, the term vegetarian was coined way back in 1847. And the term vegan was coined back in 1944. They have been around for a very long time and are ever growing stronger. If you were to really think things through you would realize it is truly the way to go. People on the Atkins diet are on it because 'everybody's doing it' and 'it's popular.' And they don't really look that much more in to it. They just hear that it's healthy and go along with it thinking it is. But like I said, many experts and doctors are already saying it is not healthy. And soon you will see that this BRAND NEW trend will die out faster than the 80's haircut.

And yes, you can choose to eat meat, and you did. Just like I chose to not eat meat, anymore. But you have to really think, are you really making a wise decision? Well, I certainly think I am, and not just for myself. And I don't think eating all of that animal fat is good for you either. You will clog your arteries over time. My advise to people would be to stick to plant fats. Also, you know what? You're right, we do have those incisors to tear through things such as meat. And you know what else? We probably really needed them back when we HAD to hunt with spears and such. But those days are over. And the thing is, we don't have to eat that way anymore. We are an advance society now. Now, wild animals still need them and probably always need them until perhaps they were to evolve. Which we do know that evolution occurs. And as for your dog, I know they have incisors, but do you really think they were made to eat cows?? But they actually do make vegetarian and vegan dog and cat food. I haven't seen any in my local grocery store. But I do know that you can by it through the internet. But you have to be sure to get the right kind. There is a web site that's something like veglife.com or maybe some other site that tells you what you need to be sure is in the food. There are certain thing their bodies must have. More than just protein. There are some real specifics. Our dogs and cats need other kind of nutrients than people need. And they do make vegetarian/vegan dog and cat foods like that.

As for the starving people. You know you can actually feed millions of people in, say, really starved countries with the grain that is fed to animals that are only going to be used for slaughtering for just a few people. Now, I'm not sure how else these farm animals would eat or where they would stay or what would happen to them if everyone stopped eating meat, but they might end up being like cats and dogs and they won't raise so many of them just to be slaughtered.

cheers,
Twisted Chains

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I see that you have made your decision and I respect that. The thing that I have a problem about is people that seem to think that animals feel and think like humans. Animals cannot "feel" the way we do because they are not intelligent creatures. They are to an extent, but it would be impossible for them to love, think, or even feel simple emotions like we do, simply because they are not us. Most, if not all, activists that claim that we are causing great suffering to the families of the animals do not understand that animals do not have families. Some animals even eat their own offspring. As I said before, I respect your stance, but your perspective is skewed. The difference between us and animals is our intelligence and the way our intelligence factors in to give us emotions. I do not doubt that they can feel pain but pain is but a reaction to stimuli and nothing more for them. An example could be a handicapped person. A normal compassionate human would help the person if they were having trouble with something. Now on a parallel, if a hurt animal were trying to get at another animals prey to gain some strength the animal who caught and killed the animal would attack and maybe kill the other animal with no remorse or feeling. Are you seeing the difference?

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Posted by: Twisted Chains
And as for your dog, I know they have incisors, but do you really think they were made to eat cows?? But they actually do make vegetarian and vegan dog and cat food. I haven't seen any in my local grocery store.


Yes those incisors were made to kill other animals. Have you ever had a small animal, maybe a rabbit, in your backyard with your dog? The dog would tear it to pieces. And it is actually bad for your animals to give them strictly vegan foods. Their digestive tracts were made to process meat and to give them solely plant products causes unneeded wear on the animals digestive system. Those animal foods were made by activists that don't know what is good for their pets.

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So you are saying that because they are not as intelligent as us, we should kill them? Because then I would also hope you are also not saying that we shouldn't take care of our health, the environment, and as I mentioned in my last post, the starvation of people. But just because an animal's intelligence isn't exactly on par with ours doesn't mean they are stupid. Heck, not even every person thinks alike as we can just see on these forums. So why don't you just kill me since you seem to think that I am skewed on my perspective or my thoughts. Maybe you should end my life because it is not like yours. But of course that not exactly what you are talking about. Your talking perhaps about general thinking, and feelings among people. But you also think that animals don't feel, like having emotions and such. But I believe they do have feelings. I can just tell they do whenever I am around my dogs or cats. It's hard to explain since they can't talk to us, but you can really sense it, and you really don't have to try. I'm not sure if we can really prove that nor if it may have already been proven. I don't know. But if know one is sure, then how could we be so quick to judge. But there has been a breakdown on animals intelligence, feelings and such. But I have forgotten exactly what they were. I'm sure I could do a search. But also, as you know, anmals will scream if they are trying to be hurt or killed. But if you think that's nothing, then what about when animals avoid you if you bother an animal or if they thing you are trying to hurt them. They will avoid you with fear if they think you are trying to heart them.

Anyway, there are several reasons for not killing animals. You can pick one of them or you can pick all of them. You just either need to use your intelligence, and/or your feelings to decide.

cheers,
Twisted Chains

[Edited on 6/3/2004 2:29:36 PM]

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I DISLIKE PETA! They love animals... enough said.
P.S.nothing wron with liking animals, but loving them and saying that there better than humanity is just wrong.

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Posted by: Grandest
Posted by: Twisted Chains
And as for your dog, I know they have incisors, but do you really think they were made to eat cows?? But they actually do make vegetarian and vegan dog and cat food. I haven't seen any in my local grocery store.


Yes those incisors were made to kill other animals. Have you ever had a small animal, maybe a rabbit, in your backyard with your dog? The dog would tear it to pieces. And it is actually bad for your animals to give them strictly vegan foods. Their digestive tracts were made to process meat and to give them solely plant products causes unneeded wear on the animals digestive system. Those animal foods were made by activists that don't know what is good for their pets.


Now I've already said that there were specific nutrients that animals needed and that you have to search for the right vegetarian/vegan dog and cat food. And so what if it was made by an animal activist! That doesn't automatcally mean that they don't know what they are doing. If you look at the animal dog and cat food, they stick whatever part of the animal in dog and cat food. Now that is unhealthy. There are just some things that shouldn't be eaten. And if you ask me, I think none of the animal should be eaten. It's the people who make the animal dog and cat food who don't know and don't care what they are doing. And yeah, I know that they were made to hunt and eat their food. But the point I was making about the cow was that they don't actually eat those. Only when the cow is chopped up and made into dog or cat food do they eat that!

cheers,
Twisted Chains

[Edited on 6/3/2004 2:52:19 PM]

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Carnivours are not suppossed to have fiber in their digestive tracts.

You know, Atkins sais that you can get the nutrients you need as well, even though you dont eat the full spectrum of food. But of course, atkins is bull-blam!- and vegetarianism is healthy, right? I guess the scientists who have denied the positive health effects of vegetarianism arent credible, right?

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Well I personally don't know them. But what makes anybody credible? An award? Some may argue that some movies either don't or do deserve awards. So where do you draw the line? There are some scientist who would agree that a vegetarian or vegan diet is healthy. But there are also many for and opposing film critics. I do what makes the most sense to me. Eventually everyone has to come to a conclusion of their own. It's good though to have different people with opposing views. It can help narrow down the point when the sides discuss. As for wild carnivors, well, I suppose that's just nature for you. And you can't control nature, and if you mess with it you might most likely destroy it.

cheers,
Twisted Chains

[Edited on 6/3/2004 4:07:10 PM]

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That was well said, but keep in mind there are scientists FOR the Atkin's diet, as well as against it. And the same goes true for anything in this world.

Im ducking out of this argument because we are now just basically repeating the same things. Its always nice to have a debate with someone of an opposing view every now and then, it helps keep the brain open.

  • 06.03.2004 3:43 PM PDT