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I hate everything, but it's not my fault.

I am for eating meat, but I think the Atkins diet is unhealthy. It's not good to just remove a food group.

  • 06.03.2004 4:53 PM PDT
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Well... I believe that depends on the food group you are talking about. But that's what I believe.

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Twisted Chains

  • 06.03.2004 6:02 PM PDT
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I think many people here would find their statements of reasons for eating meat is 'good' might see a better picture and bigger understanding of why it is indeed bad if they went to this link at vegan.com. It's a good FAQ's for all people... http://vegan.com/faq.php

I remember reading a lot of stuff there, but I'm not sure if I recall anything about hunting. But if you aske me, I don't think it's as a good idea to think that it's up to rednecks for the deer's sake of survival. Many people forget that nature can take care of itself. And it's only when people get involved that something in nature will go wrong. But that's a very complicated and long discussion. But if I may give examples of why people are the reason that rain forests are being wiped out, animals are becoming either endangered or extinct, the air is being polluted as well as the ozone depleting, resources are being used up, global warming continues to worsen every year. And because of this and so much more the earth is deteriorating at a large rate. All and only because humans have become involved. The best thing people can do is just let nature take care of itself. And if a deer gets hit in the road... well... people put the road there through the place the live. Eventually, when people destroy the Earth (whether they know thery are doing it or not) to the point there's nothing left for anything in nature, there will be nothing left for people. That is, unless most people were to eventually, and finally chage their ways and get smart about what they are currently doing and change it to where all of these world threatining issues are no longer a problem. One big step in doing that would be to become either vegetarian; or a bigger step, vegan. And you could solve many of the world's problems in one big and major sum. And then it works out for everyone in the end.

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Twisted Chains



Yes, well if humans hadn't screwed with nature in the first place then we could not hunt. But since most of the natural predators have been killed we can't just leave the deer alone. Unless you want to die in a fiery car crash because you swerved to miss a deer. If that's your opinion then go ahead and continue to belive that we can leave nature alone.

  • 06.07.2004 1:30 PM PDT
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Yes, well if humans hadn't screwed with nature in the first place then we could not hunt. But since most of the natural predators have been killed we can't just leave the deer alone. Unless you want to die in a fiery car crash because you swerved to miss a deer. If that's your opinion then go ahead and continue to belive that we can leave nature alone.


Where I live there are hundreds of deer. You can see them grazing on the fields on the side of the road at twilight - and it makes you one hell of a paranoid driver. Ever since legislation that protects does and young deer was passed, they have been damaging forest ecosystems by clearing, well, any foliage they can reach short of adult trees. Personally, I think it's time for some drastic legislation changes to lower the deer population. There are too many of them, and they're damaging the local environment more than we are at this point.

Oh, and I'll say it again: we don't have to hurt animals, but if we want to we can as long as their population remains balanced. And you should eat a little of every food group to maintain order in your body...

  • 06.07.2004 2:43 PM PDT
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all i have to SAY AFTER READING 5 PAGES OF THIS IS ...um.. omg

  • 06.07.2004 2:55 PM PDT
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I like to watch animals... through the window of my oven. Oh, and through the scope of my SKS before I kill them and gut them out with my bare hands and my Gerber hunting knife.

PETA

People
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Animals

  • 06.07.2004 3:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Twisted Chains
stonewall 007,
Actually, it is healthier not to eat meat and you can get all that is required through plants. With all of the plants availiable out there, how could you not get the nutrients you need. You can combine plant foods and get the same nutrients you receive from meat. Minus the unhealthy animal fat. And while you do need fat, you don't have to have to get it from animals. There are plenty of plant fats you can consume. One of the best ways I like to get fat is by eating fried vegetables such as potatoes, squash and many others.

As for the animal testing, I'm not so sure where I stand on that issue. While I don't like the idea they are being tested (by the way, no one asked the animals if they wanted to be tested on. Now that's being pushy), I do understand that it benefits people's lives by finding medicines and such, and what other way are you going to test that these medicines do indeed work... or not work? I'm not sure, and as you can see I do look at both sides because I am unsure about this issue. But I know that there are some people who will volunteer to have something new used on them that hasn't been tested befor because they need something right a way. And sometimes these medicines will work. And if they work on that person, should we still continue to use that medicine on animals? It sounds good to me just to stop testing a medicine on animals that they find out already works (or doesn't work). I would at least like it if animal testing was limited as much as possible.

But on the concern of eating, I think that if you don't have to eat an animal product, then why do so? Why do it when you could otherwise spare an animals life that doesn't have to end. Or suffer for that matter. And the government doesn't really care what factory farms do. Only when a large group of people like the PETA start to complain and not let up until something is done. Only then is something done. The meat industry didn't start out caring and isn't going to start now until something steps in it's way and makes it change. And the same goes for the government.

cheers,
Twisted Chains


Hey, Twisty Rusty Chains,

Meat tastes good, so SHUT YER MOUTH, YA TREE-HUGGING, AGING HIPPIE LIBERAL DOUCHE!!!!!!!

Why would anyone name a group or organization after a type of bread (That's made of animal products which are very tasty)

I think I'm going to go and eat a tasty steak sandwich right about now. Oh, along with some genuine venison hamburgers. You want some? Guys, come up here with me in Northern Wisconsin and we'll have a BBQ! Ye Haw!!!

  • 06.08.2004 1:03 PM PDT
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I appreciate your support on my oppinion Frag Master... but I dont think bumping a dead thread in order to flame someone counts as a civil argument.

  • 06.08.2004 1:44 PM PDT
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Where in northern Wisconsin... it's been so long since I've had a real BBQ...

I'm a libertarian, not a liberal. Libertarians are for one thing only: preserving the rights of the American people. So, they share republican views about gun control but liberal views about seperation of church and state and are generally pro-choice.

So, if you find that too close to "liberal douche" I think I'll stay the hell away from you and your SKS...

  • 06.08.2004 1:58 PM PDT
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Frag Master,
You know, I'm not a hippie or whatever you think I am. I just care about things. I don't do drugs, smoke nor drink. And now I don't eat animal products. I do it for me and the world. And if you don't care then... well... I guess you just don't care. So what does one do about someone who doesn't care?

Also, you say meat tastes good? Well try not eating it for a while and see if you can stand the sight or smell of it.

Anyway, I used to think on the lines you did. I didn't care if I had eaten a full dump truck of meat before. But that was back when I didn't think it was possible for me to exclude it from my diet. I knew when I ate meat I was contributing to the animal's death. And I loved animals. But it was only after I found out I could change that I did change. And then I was able to care more.



But as for hunting. I'm not all that sure about them taking over and yata, yata, yata. But we should try to restore things for them. But that's something the government would have to get involved in. But I seriously don't think that it's up to rednecks to save the deer and the environment by having their dumb fun.

cheers,
Twisted Chains

[Edited on 6/8/2004 2:08:58 PM]

  • 06.08.2004 2:07 PM PDT
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The only other options to limit deer populations are a A) to re-introduce wolves. or B) to pay the goverment to kill them.

Re-introducing wolves is not really an optoin because one wolf pack needs at least 40 square miles of no human activity. To have any affect they would need thousands more miles of wildlife reserves and their is no way that many people are going to sell their houses. That's if the goverment had millions of dollars to buy the land.

Paying the goverment to kill them is worse than hunters doing it because the meat isn't farmed so it has to be thrown away. That's a waste of meat. At least hunters don't just burn the bodies like the goverment would.

If you can come up with a better way of controlling the deer population then I will not hunt. But since that isn't going to happen I will have to take a deer this fall with my Dad.

P.S. Not all hunters are rednecks. Just most of them.

  • 06.08.2004 2:27 PM PDT