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Subject: Double Shotting/ Bxr-ing in ranked matches
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Posted by: II Column II
Who the hell do you think you are [XLG HANDOFGOD]. Are you seriously bragging about your stats... WOW! you must be retarded or something. The stats were restarted and you have no idea that many people dont even give a crap about their rank or their stats. Oh and I see you said you "poned" him, its called "pwned" not "poned". And anyone who gets host every game, no wonder you get 35+ kills every game (which it is probably less) .


Calm down.

Being too aggressive will surely get you blacklisted. There are better ways to submit your views.

Note: You double-posted. Use the 'edit' button in future.

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  • 07.18.2007 11:00 AM PDT
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  • 07.18.2007 11:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: II Column II
Half of you people have no idea what you are talking about. First off button glitches such as

BXB
BXR
RRX
RRX YY RRX

These are all considered to be in MLG. You are allowed to use button glitches in MLG. I wouldnt know what bungie would consider, but all I know is yes not everyone can do these glitches (just like the author said), but that is just like saying not everyone is good at pulling off a headshot or sniping, etc. Everyone is able to do it, so I say it should be allowed. If you do not know how to do it, you are stupid because we name these button glitches exactly how we say it (BXR) you just do it! and practice, it is not that hard.


You sir are stupid. They are allowed by MLG, which is not on Xbox Live. Under the ToU for XBL, and the Cheating FAQ on Bungie, these are deemed as cheating. HOWEVER, there is nothing that can be done to stop them, so if one feels like they were double shot, quadshot, double beatdowned or beatdown-single shotted, then they are to leave feedback.

Not knowing is not excuse. If you don't know Bungie's stance, then don't post on the forums about what MLG allows. Most ppl here know the difference of stances in each group. So, if your ignorant, it still isn't an excuse to condone them or favor them. Know a group's stance b/4 you mention them.

Adapt or Die is the motto right now with button glitches.

9 wks until H3 and no more of the button glitches.


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  • 07.18.2007 11:02 AM PDT
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There will be no button glitches for about 2 days and then people will find new ones. You just gotta deal with it. Whether you like it or not it is in the game. Learn to do it yourself and strafe better and then you won't have to complain about it.

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  • 07.18.2007 11:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Gc warrior 73
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use the legend down below next time.

  • 07.18.2007 11:04 AM PDT

Circumstances do not make the man, they merely reveal himself to himself.

w00t someone finally agrees with me ( i started this thread )

  • 07.18.2007 11:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: AF ARMY ToughGuy
there will be no button glitches for about 2 days and then people will find new ones.


People found them in Beta and they were fixed, I do agree that there will be a way to bypass animations and what not, but I think Bungie will have a better way of fixing this in the future.

  • 07.18.2007 11:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gubi420
EXACTLY i think u shuld b able to report someone just like modding for superjumpin or doin the br cheats!

you can, go ahead and report them

  • 07.18.2007 11:53 AM PDT
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Outside of Customs (with permission of course), button glitches should not be used. That's all there is to it.

  • 07.18.2007 12:02 PM PDT

Circumstances do not make the man, they merely reveal himself to himself.

i agree with sacrament that they shuldnt b allowed outta custom games

  • 07.18.2007 12:06 PM PDT
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A lot of button glitches you can't even tell if someone is using them, such as auto reload, quick switch, and quick reload.

  • 07.18.2007 12:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Done DL
A lot of button glitches you can't even tell if someone is using them, such as auto reload, quick switch, and quick reload.

Yet they can still change the course of the game cant they?

  • 07.18.2007 12:13 PM PDT

Circumstances do not make the man, they merely reveal himself to himself.

well still u can notice if someone is doin the bxr or double shot, those r the ones that really affect the game...not fast reload..................or quick switch, who cares about those?

  • 07.18.2007 12:15 PM PDT
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Here is the argument that I see happening again and again over BxR for why it is cheating:

Premise 1: BxR is a glitch.
Premise 2: All glitches are cheating.
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Conclusion: BxR is cheating.

While correct in form (link me to a logical fallacy, I dare you), the premises are what is wrong with the argument.

The first premise can be split further into the following argument:

Premise 1: All elements of a game that were not intended to be evident are glitches (as determined by the makers/programmers/designers of a game).
Premise 2: BxR was not intended to be in the game.
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Conclusion: BxR is a glitch.


We can see that BxR is clearly a glitch, as it was not intended by the game's designers, nor does it follow a clear, logical path of discovery by playing the game. It was discovered through the effort to subvert the game's mechanics.

Now, the real problem is Premise 2: All glitches are cheating. This premise is incorrect. Simply because it is evident in the game without the game designer's intent does not make it unsportsmanlike to employ. A game designer cannot release a game and then expect players to play the game as he intended simply because he wishes it. Had the game designer wanted the game to be played a certain way, he would have programmed the game so that it omitted certain aspects that he deemed undesirable.

If Bungie wants players to not BxR, they should fix the game so that you cannot BxR. It's that simple. Telling players that they should not use an effective method of achieving the game's most important goal (killing other players) is completely unenforceable. The honor system does not work with the large amount of players playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live.

If it is not feasible to fix the game, tough luck. It's in the game, and it's most likely here to stay. Forcing people to play in a certain way without any real concrete method of persuasion is doomed to fail.

If Halo 2's Xbox Live is Bungie's playground, why not circumvent this problem and announce to all players that BxR is unlawful to use, according to their standards? Are they afraid that they should further the knowledge and then the problem would be completely out of hand?

Bungie's approach to BxR has been really half-assed. Take a stance, fix the problem. Until then, players are going to be divided and endlessly raging against one another, literally turning friend into foe. Halo 2's Xbox Live experience already has enough hate without players screaming "You BXR noobie! Get some skill!"



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  • 07.18.2007 12:17 PM PDT
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Wow i've read so many posts on this. And it always ends the same way. Anyways, my view on the bxr is that it is cheating, but everyone can do it and nobody can stop it so its alright. Yeah it sucks getting bxr'ed but there are ways to avoid it. Say someone throws a grenade when they know they're gonna die, do you walk right into that grenade or avoid it because of the risk of dying? Its the same way with the bxr. if your scared of getting "cheated", just dont get close to that player. Use your strengths and dont put yourself into that situation.

With the double shot, it takes a lot of skill to even pull it off, let alone use it in matchmaking effectively. My opionion is that if you are double shotted, that player can destroy you anyways. I dont know a lot of people level 25 or below that do either bxr or rrx. It is mostly once you get in the higher levels where there is a higher percentage of people who have the SKILL to double shot. Hell if that player can do it while keeping it on a headshot, that is skill to me.

These glitches were not intended in the original game desdign, but they add depth to the game. Am i a better player because I can double shot? NO. These glitches help me out in situations I wouldnt normally survive, thus making every battle you face more interesting because you have the possibilty to win.

  • 07.18.2007 12:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gubi420
well still u can notice if someone is doin the bxr or double shot, those r the ones that really affect the game...not fast reload..................or quick switch, who cares about those?


Wow, you really have no idea do you? I probably use auto reload, fast reload, and quick switch about 10x more than the BXR or double shot every game. They effect the gameplay a lot, it's just that most of the people here on these forums aren't at that skill level yet thus they complain about simple glitches such as bxr.

  • 07.18.2007 12:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: ExaltedRage05
If Halo 2's Xbox Live is Bungie's playground, why not circumvent this problem and announce to all players that BxR is unlawful to use, according to their standards?

They have.

Although I do agree that Bungie needs to have a firmer stance on this issue.

[Edited on 07.18.2007 12:29 PM PDT]

  • 07.18.2007 12:27 PM PDT

Circumstances do not make the man, they merely reveal himself to himself.

big words make head hurt, jk jk, i mean i no that the bxr is considered by some to b cheating, others to b an advantage. I consider it cheating. But i think its alright in custom games. I mean sometimes my friends and i just have a game practicing bxr's just to have fun, but in a ranked game it is unfair. Not everyone knows how to do the glitches, its not a function the designers put in like "reload". Also i dont go crazy wen i come face to face with a br glitcher, i just go "aww damn this is gonna b a tough match" But really if its used in ranked matches it shuld b considered cheating and reportable by the player. In a custom game it shuld b alright to use. Thats my opinion.

  • 07.18.2007 12:29 PM PDT

Circumstances do not make the man, they merely reveal himself to himself.

ok lets say that the month is august and bungie puts out a poll: "Should we allow the BXR glitch in Halo3?" What wuld u vote? just type a "YES" or "NO"

  • 07.18.2007 12:31 PM PDT
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No!!

Read to your heart's content

  • 07.18.2007 12:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: supercommiefu
Posted by: ExaltedRage05
If Halo 2's Xbox Live is Bungie's playground, why not circumvent this problem and announce to all players that BxR is unlawful to use, according to their standards?

They have.

Although I do agree that Bungie needs to have a firmer stance on this issue.


The only one that has the authority to declare it cheating is Achronos, in my opinion. Okay, so we've determined that it is Bungie's playground. Why continue to dance around the issue? At the ends of locked threads hardly seem to be the best place for such a statement. I can see how, separated from these forums, people that just learned BxR can think it's just another part of the game. Do they deserved to get banned? Is ignorance not an excuse?

The best way to handle the situation is to make sure that everyone knows. Otherwise, it's leaving the issue to the banhappy zealots. Achronos made a strong statement, I don't see why it should be kept hidden away on the forums.

  • 07.18.2007 12:39 PM PDT

Circumstances do not make the man, they merely reveal himself to himself.

i really dont think ignorance is an excuse. Bungie can post a freaking huge message on the screen saying "Battle Rifle glitches of any type are no longer allowed in ranked games. If encountered it is promoted that you report the user of this glitch to Bungie" And then they were warned if they didnt look at it, too bad, their fault

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  • 07.18.2007 12:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: supercommiefu
Posted by: ExaltedRage05
If Halo 2's Xbox Live is Bungie's playground, why not circumvent this problem and announce to all players that BxR is unlawful to use, according to their standards?

They have.

Although I do agree that Bungie needs to have a firmer stance on this issue.


The only one that has the authority to declare it cheating is Achronos, in my opinion. Okay, so we've determined that it is Bungie's playground. Why continue to dance around the issue? At the ends of locked threads hardly seem to be the best place for such a statement. I can see how, separated from these forums, people that just learned BxR can think it's just another part of the game. Do they deserved to get banned? Is ignorance not an excuse?

The best way to handle the situation is to make sure that everyone knows. Otherwise, it's leaving the issue to the banhappy zealots. Achronos made a strong statement, I don't see why it should be kept hidden away on the forums.
I agree completely. Bungie should make a statement that definitively says
"BXR or any other glitch is cheating" or, conversely

"BXR and other glitches are not cheating."

Perhaps updating the FAQ or making a sticky so everyone would have it readily available would be beneficial.

  • 07.18.2007 12:42 PM PDT

Circumstances do not make the man, they merely reveal himself to himself.

Just a question to u guys, do u think that we could, in any way, request that bungie post one of these messages? Exalted, what would ur answer b on the vote?

[Edited on 07.18.2007 12:49 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Gubi420
Just a question to u guys, do u think that we could, in any way, request that bungie post one of these messages?
You could PM Achronos, but I doubt he would do it.

  • 07.18.2007 12:49 PM PDT