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Subject: Double Shotting/ Bxr-ing in ranked matches
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Posted by: PARKER1
"I look at it like this, if it the tactic makes gives you a complete 100% upper hand on the other player then it's cheating."
You are cheating because the average gamer can not bxr or double shot-you will have the upper hand if you are doing this and the other player is not.

This sort of logic, as it is presented, doesn't make any sense. This claims that a player that has the upper hand is automatically cheating, which is false. The distinction is drawn in the manner of how the upper hand is gained.

  • 07.18.2007 1:57 PM PDT
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Spawn traps weren't necessarily intended, but it's inevitable if you set up and slay them as they spawn.

The way I look at it is.........would I literally back off and give them a chance to grab a weapon and kill me? No. If my team is set up and we're spawn killing, we're going to keep doing it. There's not really any way around that...........I don't think spawn traps are cheating.

  • 07.18.2007 1:58 PM PDT
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If you can't figure out how to BXR on your own, you shouldn't be aloud to play this game.

  • 07.18.2007 1:58 PM PDT

Circumstances do not make the man, they merely reveal himself to himself.

dude....everyone who says "BXR" knows how to "B-X-R" duhhhhh ok just some ppl dont do it fast enuf, im a fine bxr-er but i dont use it in matchmade games of any type at all!!!

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Spawn traps weren't necessarily intended, but it's inevitable if you set up and slay them as they spawn.

The way I look at it is.........would I literally back off and give them a chance to grab a weapon and kill me? No. If my team is set up and we're spawn killing, we're going to keep doing it. There's not really any way around that...........I don't think spawn traps are cheating.


Is the act of positioning yourself so that the enemy is forced to respawn on a certain place of the map an intended or unintended element of the game? If it's inevitable and simply occurs whenever a player is moving to a more advantageous position, does that alone make it intended because it is drawn from an element of the game that is?

  • 07.18.2007 2:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: PARKER1
"I look at it like this, if it the tactic makes gives you a complete 100% upper hand on the other player then it's cheating."
You are cheating because the average gamer can not bxr or double shot-you will have the upper hand if you are doing this and the other player is not.


but trying to double shot or bxr the other player doesnt give you the 100% upper hand, it really doesnt give you much. BxB will almost always though.

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Posted by: npt ii snake
If you can't figure out how to BXR on your own, you shouldn't be aloud to play this game.

Thats funny-most people dont care enough to learn because it is just a game.You should not "have"to learn a glitch to stay competive in a video game.THATS like saying" if you are a annoying little prick you shouldn't be allowed to play this game."

  • 07.18.2007 2:04 PM PDT

Circumstances do not make the man, they merely reveal himself to himself.

im goin on live now, ill ask my friends if they have any more ideas on br glitches. Ill b back in like.......2 hours? anyways, cya guys p.s. dont get outta hand with anything

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Posted by: ExaltedRage05
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Spawn traps weren't necessarily intended, but it's inevitable if you set up and slay them as they spawn.

The way I look at it is.........would I literally back off and give them a chance to grab a weapon and kill me? No. If my team is set up and we're spawn killing, we're going to keep doing it. There's not really any way around that...........I don't think spawn traps are cheating.


Is the act of positioning yourself so that the enemy is forced to respawn on a certain place of the map an intended or unintended element of the game? If it's inevitable and simply occurs whenever a player is moving to a more advantageous position, does that alone make it intended because it is drawn from an element of the game that is?


I doubt it was intended, but it happens.

Take Coag CTF/Bomb for example. You're going to spawn on either the sunny side or the dark side of your base, every time. If a sniper perches up and rains down triple kills and the rest of his team stands there and kills off the others as they spawn, there's really nothing that can be done about that.

But I doubt that's cheating. That's just an unfortunate side effect of the game's respawn coding. Some spawn traps don't even depend on standing on certain areas. The Coag trap I mentioned involves nothing more than pushing up on someone's base after slaying the majortiy of their team.

There's also the Warlock spawn trap. On Warlock CTF for example, you'll usually spawn on your flag, or under your base. If a team is set up properly, it doesn't involve them standing on particular spots, it involves them setting up in strategic areas, and hoping you spawn there every time, because sometimes you'll spawn elsewhere (bottom mid for example.)

Thing is, spawn traps are just a team's way of setting up and slaying you, not standing on exact geometric areas of the map.

  • 07.18.2007 2:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: ExaltedRage05
Posted by: PARKER1
"I look at it like this, if it the tactic makes gives you a complete 100% upper hand on the other player then it's cheating."
You are cheating because the average gamer can not bxr or double shot-you will have the upper hand if you are doing this and the other player is not.

This sort of logic, as it is presented, doesn't make any sense. This claims that a player that has the upper hand is automatically cheating, which is false. The distinction is drawn in the manner of how the upper hand is gained.


At no point should you ever have a 100% advantage, that's real cheating. The only thing thats borderline is super bouncing, where you can give yourself a probability of winning pretty close to 100%.

There's nothing wrong with a spawn trap. It's just teamwork. And it's teamwork to get out of it too.

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Posted by: Zach The One
Posted by: ExaltedRage05
Posted by: PARKER1
"I look at it like this, if it the tactic makes gives you a complete 100% upper hand on the other player then it's cheating."
You are cheating because the average gamer can not bxr or double shot-you will have the upper hand if you are doing this and the other player is not.

This sort of logic, as it is presented, doesn't make any sense. This claims that a player that has the upper hand is automatically cheating, which is false. The distinction is drawn in the manner of how the upper hand is gained.


At no point should you ever have a 100% advantage, that's real cheating. The only thing thats borderline is super bouncing, where you can give yourself a probability of winning pretty close to 100%.

There's nothing wrong with a spawn trap. It's just teamwork. And it's teamwork to get out of it too.


You make a good point. Even so, it doesn't matter how much of an advantage you have, it's how you gained that advantage. This also applies to disadvantages. Say that you modded your Xbox so that you could only move at 50% speed and you couldn't look left, you had to spin to the right all of the time. This is still cheating. Superbouncing isn't a clear-cut advantage either, being at the top of the world doesn't mean much if you have an SMG. If the superbouncer is holding the skull, that's a different matter.

But let's say you had a rocket launcher and a sniper rifle, and the enemy had a single magnum. Your chances of winning in most terrain are going to be nearly 100%, except if he somehow sneaks up on you. If you put yourself in a favorable position, it's nearly impossible for the guy with the magnum to win. That is nearly a 100% advantage, but it isn't cheating.

It doesn't matter if a glitch requires teamwork to pull off, it is still a glitch. The only real meaning your statement has is that forcing a spawn is directly related and comes about from holding good positions on the map, something that the game designer's intended. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that forcing a spawn is well within the intent of the game designer and is not a glitch (I had to talk myself through that one before I understood it :P ).

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I would say that spawn traps are inherent in any game that has a MM. Who can remember Stack on Goldeneye???

  • 07.18.2007 2:23 PM PDT

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Saying you don't know BxR or BxB is the same as saying you don't know where the OS spawns or Rockets. It's something that has become a part of the halo2 learning curve. Cheating is something that allows you to beat someone. You may be breeching some terms of use by modding your guy to suck, but your not cheating anyone out of something. So that is not cheating.

A computer application, password, or disallowed technique used to advance to a higher skill level in a computer video game.

By definition you must first be making yourself better to be cheating.

And you're not going to win purely by running around hitting bxr, you win from a million other things, factors and techniques. Button combos are just a few more tricks you can use. A BxR is like a quick scope or sweep snipe. It's a technique used in a certain situation that can give you the kill. For someone to not use it, you must remain ignorant of what the propper tactic is in that situation.

The key here is, we must learn to think for ourselves, not just believe what we hear. Bungie says anything unintentionally put into the game, used to give you an advantage is cheating. Cigorette companies used to say that smoking isn't linked to cancer. People used to think that we had unlimited oil. But through time we learn to think for ourselves. There's a big difference between playing a game and using a button combo in a battle, and sitting on top of the map picking people off. Or standby, or modding. Button glitches are not cheating because they do not give anyone a distinct advantage against the average player. They may sway the game to one way, but so would I if i had a sniper and got 10 straight headshots just sweep sniping. But am I cheating for that?

  • 07.18.2007 2:37 PM PDT
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Good point Zach. People just need to start thinking for themselves.

If you button glitch, keep button glitching. If you don't, then don't do it. Leave feedback if you want (that's why it's there.)

People are going to play this game the way they want to play it.

  • 07.18.2007 2:42 PM PDT

Although I do belive superjumping is a cheat in ranked matches and people should get the boot for it, BxRing and double shotting are things that can be countered and can be controlled.

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I use the button glitches all the time, you pretty much have to use BXR because nearly everyone uses it. I also double shot and sometimes people complain but I keep doing it because it was made into the game. I really don't understand how Bungie says that superbouncing is not a bannable offense, (They only thing you could do was leave feedback) yet they say that it is cheating to press certain buttons on your controller.

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Good point Zach. People just need to start thinking for themselves.

If you button glitch, keep button glitching. If you don't, then don't do it. Leave feedback if you want (that's why it's there.)

People are going to play this game the way they want to play it.


I second that thought. Good points Zach and Iceman states it best here with this statement. Nothing could be truer. Leave feedback and don't complain, or don't leave feedback and do it yourself.

Posted by: GUNNERMANZ
I use the button glitches all the time, you pretty much have to use BXR because nearly everyone uses it. I also double shot and sometimes people complain but I keep doing it because it was made into the game. I really don't understand how Bungie says that superbouncing is not a bannable offense, (They only thing you could do was leave feedback) yet they say that it is cheating to press certain buttons on your controller.


you my friend are an idiot. sorry to burst your bubble, but you are. when you say it was made into the game, your entire post is invalid. it wasn't, that is why it is and they are glitches. jesus age christ, i mean seriously, that is so moronic it makes my brain hurt.

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Only bad kids brag about basic kills. I dont allow my clan members to brag about anything less than a Kill Frenzy or a Berzerker I dont care how cool it is. No one cares about your kill or even how you got it, good players do it all the time and im almost complacent because ive gotten so many "leet" kills.[/quote]
wOW ,I bet thats a fun clan to be in.You dont allow?

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Hey Fred, what's "stack" on Goldeneye? Maybe my memory of that game is really really bad LOL

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I just played Gubi420 in a 1v1, and as I predicted, he's not up to the level of skill as I am.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo2.aspx?gameid=733824 875&player=Done%20DL
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I used BXR a few times and double shot once.

The thing is, people who are higher up in the skill range find no problem with bxr and hardly consider it cheating.
While people on the lower end will definately see that its cheap and cheating.

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The idea of leaving feedback if you don't use it and not leaving feedback if you do is voting by mass ban. There are two end results from it:

1. All of the people who use BxR are banned.
2. BxR is universally accepted, except by the few that continue to leave negative feedback.

Either way, people are going to get banned on something that is entirely subjective. If you have a great attitude, play well, and BxR, there's still a chance you'll get banned, even though some people think that it's acceptable to use in matches. It makes no sense to leave it up to players. Only a definitive answer will result in the people who need to get banned getting banned.

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Hey Fred, what's "stack" on Goldeneye? Maybe my memory of that game is really really bad LOL


It was this two level arena-esque that had like four rooms total and like five ways to get up on the second lvl. It was really an ingenious level. The original arena level for most ppl.

I am out, be on later ice

  • 07.18.2007 3:01 PM PDT