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Subject: Rocket & BR only servers: Make it Stop!
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Halo 2 is a great game I've been waiting for forever to play online with a PC. Unfortunately due to the low number of players things get very limited as to server choice. This wouldn't be a such a dire situation if it wasn't for one thing; the preponderance of Heavy Weapons (read: Rockets) & Rifle only servers.

Halo is a great franchise and part of that is the awesome variety of weapons you can use. Even better with H2 you can akimbo the lighter ones in most any combination. It's what made Halo 1&2 such an enduring game.

Yes, I know Rockets or BR's only are "fun"....in maybe one out of every 10 maps. So was sniper arena with low grav in UT2004....until it became basically one of the only games people ended up playing. I would hate to see this happen to halo 2 PC even before it had a chance to grow a decent sized community.

Sorry but I had to get this off my chest. I just logged out for the umpteenth because there aren't any default games going on that has more than 10 players.

Ok, I'm done.

  • 07.19.2007 7:12 PM PDT
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I would disagree with the "rifle only " server thing. Br is the only skilled weapon in the game, so that would be all I'd play lol. But I could understand if you wanted variety. Later on more servers will pop up for you.

  • 07.19.2007 7:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ryanman7
I would disagree with the "rifle only " server thing. Br is the only skilled weapon in the game, so that would be all I'd play lol. But I could understand if you wanted variety. Later on more servers will pop up for you.


its only balanced because every other weapon in the game sucks.

  • 07.19.2007 7:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Omnios
Posted by: Ryanman7
I would disagree with the "rifle only " server thing. Br is the only skilled weapon in the game, so that would be all I'd play lol. But I could understand if you wanted variety. Later on more servers will pop up for you.


its only balanced because every other weapon in the game sucks.


WAUT ABOOT THEH ENARGY SWOARD

I PAWN WIT DAT

  • 07.19.2007 7:39 PM PDT
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In a way, it seems like Halo 2 Vista hasn't picked up its audience yet as Halo 2 Xbox is better from what I've heard. Besides, the BR is the pistol of Halo 2.

  • 07.19.2007 8:05 PM PDT

I hate the Rocket only servers, there is so many of them, but then again, I hate servers with SMGs as the starting weapon, with radar off, and games with only BRs. when I make a game and host it, I have the starting weapons on random, like you can spawn with a BR, and a rocket, and when you die you respawn with a SMG and a sword. I like having the radar on in games that the map has wide open areas that you feel like you're walking around in a feild with a big sign saying "SNIPE ME!", but those I can work with. but some of the custom maps that you're starting to see pop up, (Like Soda Hill) are what I call "Super noob maps" one side spawns swords and the other spawn other weapons, and you have a turret on the top on one side, and who ever has that turret has a good chance of wining the game. I say that some one should make a server that has the good maps and a good amount of different weapons.

  • 07.19.2007 9:16 PM PDT

Posted by: Himura_Kenshin
Posted by: Omnios
Posted by: Ryanman7
I would disagree with the "rifle only " server thing. Br is the only skilled weapon in the game, so that would be all I'd play lol. But I could understand if you wanted variety. Later on more servers will pop up for you.


its only balanced because every other weapon in the game sucks.


WAUT ABOOT THEH ENARGY SWOARD

I PAWN WIT DAT


Over powered noobifyed lunge.


Annoying but can be fun

[Edited on 07.19.2007 9:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.19.2007 9:21 PM PDT
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I agree entirely with the first post. Single weapons games are the devil.

  • 07.19.2007 9:30 PM PDT
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Yes...for the sake of our (some of us) lord Jesus Christ...get rockets off the "starting weapons" list...i believe its these dedicated servers run by clan A00001X or something that have buckets of CTFR ("R" for "Rockets") and TSR and whatever the hell else u can do with that ungodly weapon. In truth, I don't even like using the Rocket Launcher in default Slayer games. Its meant to be used on vehicles. Period. I'm glad someone made a stand about this... if the the topic author hadn't, I probably would have...and it would not have been pretty.

Other single weapon games, though I dislike the concept, aren't too bad (as long as it isn't needlers or other single handed weapons).

[Edited on 07.19.2007 9:51 PM PDT]

  • 07.19.2007 9:50 PM PDT
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if more people played custom edition, at least one of the halos would be decent online. but no. everyone plays regular, where you cant hit someone if you are dead on their chest and they are running straight towards you.

  • 07.19.2007 10:11 PM PDT
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It's balanced because it works at all ranges, while being outclassed at short and far ranges with the right weapon... it does headshots so you kill quickly if you can aim... you can't kill someone in one shot. THAT is what a balanced weapon is. If you're going to have a crappy one weap server it better be the BR.

  • 07.19.2007 10:18 PM PDT

Better to die on your feet then live on your knees!

Time for your PissTest.

With MLG for xbox and now CAL league for H2V, more and more BR start servers will turn up.

As said before it's like the pistol was for halo pc, It's the best skilled weapon for people who can shoot, It removes the noobish weapons on the map that cause heavy damage or the spray and pray for those who can't aim to save their lives.

You wont find me hosting a non CAL rules with BR starting weapon server, personal or dedi.

[Edited on 07.20.2007 6:45 AM PDT]

  • 07.20.2007 6:42 AM PDT
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There will ALWAYS be heavy weapons servers because ot the large number of heavy weapons Clans. If you don't like heavy weapons, don't play in those servers. We (CV) are one of the best known heavy weapons Clan's in Halo and everyone knows that ALL of our servers are heavies only. Yet our servers are always full. Why is that?? Well, most serious players got tired of the newbs using aimbots on regular weapons and switched to heavies. Kinda hard for an aimbot to work on a slow moving rocket which can easily be dodged.

That being said, Halo 2 brings a big change to tactics over Halo 1. Primarily due to the lock-on capability of the rockets. In Halo 1 I am one of the best tankers in the Clans. That's because the tank moves quickly and can turn on a dime and it's easy to manouver out of the path of incoming rockets. In Halo 2, not only do you have to worry about the homing rockets, but the tank (and all other vehicles in H2) moves very slowly and cannot be controlled as easially as in H1. And for that reason, Halo 2 matches will be ground based for the majority and not vehicle based as Halo 1 matches are now, and the reason I stay out of vehicles.

With regular weapons in H2 it takes no skill to "spray and pray", but using a rocket launcher and sword it take much more skill to make a kill. One reason is that the rockets move slower so you have to lead your target more, and make more decisions on where you think the enemy will be in the couple of seconds it will take for your rocket to get to them. Another reason is that the explosive blast radius is smaller and therefor your shots have to land closer to the target to register a kill.

So if you don't have, or don't want to develop the skill to be a better player, please stay out of the heavy weapons servers to make room for more skilled players ;-)

[Edited on 07.20.2007 7:06 AM PDT]

  • 07.20.2007 7:05 AM PDT

Better to die on your feet then live on your knees!

Time for your PissTest.

" everyone knows that ALL of our servers are heavies only. Yet our servers are always full. Why is that?? "
Because they can just jump right in and get some kills with little or no aim based skills.

"most serious players got tired of the newbs using aimbots on regular weapons "
No, most noobs who couldn't aim figured anyone who could shoot was a botter.

"but using a rocket launcher and sword it take much more skill to make a kill."
All I can do is LOL at that comment.

Take 2 great players one who only uses BR and snipers (pistol if HPC) and one who only uses heavy weapons, go play a BR or sniper slayer to 50 kills then play him with heavy weapons, you will loose by a much larger number in the BR or sniper match then then you would win by in the heavy match because they require both less aim and accuracy.

That having been said If you go review Halo PC history in CAL, TWL leagues and Halo 2 xbox on MLG you will find for competitive play that heavies (shees and tanks) are considered a joke and would never see the light of day in a competitive playoff match, though rocks and frgs would be used against hogs and ghosts for balance and map control to keep the nubs from trying to run people over.

Bottom line, when cash, prizes or even just playoffs are up for grabs, heavies (tanks and shees) are not to be found, even most 2v2 KW matches (KW being considered the noobish of the listed leagues) between the top 10 teams went down as no heavies of any kind at all, except for maybe a couple teams who played only bad clans or each other and avoided any team with teamwork or aim based skill.

Sorry to tell you this, but that's how it always has been and always will be, might want to work on some aim based skills instead of heavy damage weapons.




[Edited on 07.20.2007 8:05 AM PDT]

  • 07.20.2007 7:51 AM PDT

heh, rockets and swords, the two main weapons noobs like. Rockets take no skill even with out the lock-on. swords you melee until you get close to some one then lunge. rockets you point, fire, hope it hits. yes it takes some skill to kill some one with a rocket, but that's easy stuff if you're go with snipers and know how to lead the right way. when people jump, you try to fire at the spot that you think their going to land. now some real skill is in a normal game with all weapons, snipers, heavys, short range, med range, and swords, you have to use more skill, you have to know how to dodge a sniper bullet, how dodge a rocket, how to dodge a sword, how to kill some one with a pistol or a BR with out getting killed your self. heavy weapon servers aren't for the skilled players, not in Halo 2, no Sniper servers are the more skilled players. a sniper as a slow moving bullet, but still fister then the rocket, and you have to hit the person to kill them, not the grond right next to them or the wall next to or the helf dead ghost they're running to.

  • 07.20.2007 8:04 AM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

The problem is that Halo 2 Vista doesn't use Matchmaking from the Xbox version.

  • 07.20.2007 9:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: No Refunds
I agree entirely with the first post. Single weapons games are the devil.
No, single weapons games beat the crap out of dual-wields, thank you. Okay, but that's just opinion.

  • 07.20.2007 9:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ryanman7
skill
No you.

But yeah, even in Halo CE, almost every single match I try to join (especially CTF) is always Rockets. I'm so sick of it.

  • 07.20.2007 9:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mr Faucy Paunts
Posted by: Ryanman7
skill
No you.

But yeah, even in Halo CE, almost every single match I try to join (especially CTF) is always Rockets. I'm so sick of it.

you do know that you can make your own server right?

  • 07.20.2007 1:39 PM PDT
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CVScorp, I would be more than happy to play other servers if they had the settings at deafult but the preponderance of specialized servers (even non-clan) makes the game a kiddie fest because thats exactly who plays these types of games, kids. Do you REALLY want to play the game based on skill?

Use Plasma pistols only.

No?

why not?

I'll tell you why, because people kid themselves into thinking its because of "skill" but its really about a bunch of kiddies who have the equivilent of ADD where if you can't make a kill within 2 seconds of pulling the trigger the weapon is automatically garbage. I maintain THATS why rocket and BR servers are popular. Have the patience to learn how to use the default weapons. Bungie spent god knows how long making sure every weapon was worth using. This elitist crap of "spray and pray is for noobs" is total horsecrap. The automatic weapons have their pros and cons. If they were true "noob weapons" with the ability to kill in less than 2 seconds they would be the preferred weapon. Certain weapons should be used in combonation, the plasma pistol and magnum are a good example. Learning how to use them in the right situation is what takes "skill", not using a battle rifle and keeping it on someones head or aiming a RL at someones feet. Some are meant to be used in close quarters, some ranged, some defensive, others offensive. When you start removing that and only use the most powerful weapons THATS when you start removing skill from the game.


I don't intend for this to become one long -blam!-fest, it just gets a little frustrating when all one can find are the same gimped games going on on every server.

  • 07.21.2007 9:54 AM PDT
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It's not that we can't get a kill quickly that we hate automatic weapons.
The Perfect weapon is one that, when used PERFECTLY never leaves you feeling shafted because of its limitations. With the SMG you are ALWAYS outclassed with another weapon, no matter what it is (skip the needler). With the battle rifle, you can disrupt the scope of a sniper, or bxr your way out of a CQB situation or at least damage someone to where your teammate can finish them. Spawning with a weapon that, while not being able to KILL everything but at least defend yourself is a lot better then spawning with a weapon that's inferior to everything else.
It was added as a way to "force" dual-wielding but ended up making the game a weapon whore/nade spam/luckbox festival.

  • 07.22.2007 5:14 PM PDT

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I agree with stopping all the rocket servers but BR servers are fun and use tactics and skill. Same with Halo Pc, it has way too many rocket servers, and the only good servers are the generic weapons on Blood Gulch.

But I do agree with you. Although they are the supiorior gametypes, the games have so much diveristy not being used.

  • 07.22.2007 7:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gauntlet
Posted by: Mr Faucy Paunts
Posted by: Ryanman7
skill
No you.

But yeah, even in Halo CE, almost every single match I try to join (especially CTF) is always Rockets. I'm so sick of it.

you do know that you can make your own server right?
I'm not even gonna comment...

  • 07.22.2007 8:09 PM PDT
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Bah
MS can go screw em selves Get gold and find someone running a zombies or hide n seek game, loads of fun

  • 07.23.2007 5:43 AM PDT