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Subject: Bungie Weekly Update: 7/20/07

OMG i want that warthog.

  • 07.20.2007 6:24 PM PDT

I am no developer but in this day and age you would think they could do something. Gears of War did it but obviously not far away.

Here is my idea on on how to fix the problem. Again I know nothing about how but in theory with todays peeps working on it, it has to be possible.

When you are in Co-Op there should be two modes to the game.

MODE 1 - When Co-Op players are within suitable range for smooth play the game will be running in mode 1, which is normal Co-Op like when you have someone on the second controller(Example - Gears of War) The longest range you can be from your partner can be whatever the limit is but with a buffer to give the game time to move into MODE 2.

MODE 2 - When Co-Op players move into the BUFFER ZONE MODE 2 will take over and convert the game into a Multi-Player Map(Like On-Line Play) and run the map in this configuration. I suppose they can run a 2nd map in Multi-Player behind the real game and keep it to a wire-frame to keep the usage of it to a minimum. They can just record it the same way for the playback which is just code. I think I read that being why it is so simple.

So you see, they probably can do it, but maybe, just maybe, my idea is something that can be done, but no-one even thought about it like that.

Again, I could be talking out my wazoo but at least it does seem possible to me. Just common sense. Multi player allows big player gaps, co-op doesn't. Just mix them with a buffer and it's fixed. Even write new programming to combine the 2 so it looks like you fixed it and didn't merge the two so no-one thinks it was a lazy fix. HAHAHA

Hopefully someone reads it and thinks it may just work.

Yeah and that Warthog will probably end up as a prop for the real Halo film. Once people see these short films they will wish they would have said, "How much Bungie? Oh here you go and here is a little extra for the kids!" because the "Arms Race" got people's attention. My friend at works nephew is a real movie producer and he is best buddies with the director of Batman and the new Batman as well coming out and they have been involved also with The Prestige and Momento..etc.

My point is he, who hates video games, was very impressed with it so that means something to me.

  • 07.20.2007 6:25 PM PDT

*I sense a disturbance in the forum*
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After kim saying pc gamers are more mature:
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we r?

did anyone notice the ant on the side of the warthog?

  • 07.20.2007 7:00 PM PDT
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I wish it was International! I want to have a go at it. I'm a Big Halo Fan. But I live in Sydney Australia!
BLAM!


SJ

  • 07.20.2007 7:01 PM PDT

Thank you Bungie! <3

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Posted by: Frankie
Are you the world’s biggest Halo Fan?

Seriously, are you? We’re looking for one Halo freak from each of the following cities (or close by) for some antics we may plan around the launch of Halo 3. Can’t promise anything will come of this, but if you’re from one of these cities, send us a brief bio and a one paragraph explanation of why you’re the most loyal Halo fan from your region.

New York

Los Angeles

Chicago

Philadelphia

San Francisco

Boston

Dallas

Washington DC

Atlanta

Detroit

Miami

Seattle


Wow, I never knew "the world" was just America, there are other places in the world with Halo fans, maybe you should look on at an Atlas, Frankie


Ha, pwned Frankie! Hahahaha!

(don't eat me! PLEASE!!!!!!!!)

Seriously, awsome update Frankie! me Want WARTHOG!!!!! The sword sounds shweet, and more importantly, BALANCED!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!

[Edited on 07.20.2007 7:15 PM PDT]

  • 07.20.2007 7:12 PM PDT
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Looks like Mister Chief's put on some weight since we've seen him last. :P

  • 07.20.2007 7:26 PM PDT
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nice update
online co-op mode would pwn
ME WANT A WARTHOG POR FAVOR!!!!!

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lol, bewbz

  • 07.20.2007 7:56 PM PDT

Posted by: Frankie
Calming down the Interwebs freak-out, changes to a nouveau classique weapon from the Halo sandbox and potentially good news for hardcore Halo fans.


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Burnt hair huh? it does hurt thats y im bald

  • 07.20.2007 8:07 PM PDT
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but seriously.... how would I go about getting a warthog?

  • 07.20.2007 8:12 PM PDT

Posted by: Nerd Boi
OMG i want that warthog.
NERD!!!!!!!!!! no im joking i want it to

  • 07.20.2007 8:13 PM PDT

What, me worry?

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I can't begin to express what a HUGE dissapointment (and frankly, failure) it would be for Microsoft and Bungie if H3 ships without the ability for online co-op. Online Co-op is practically a standard feature on FPS games on the 360; for H3 to not have that ability would be an embarassing failure, in my view.

Cries of "our AI is extra complicated" or whatever is a hollow excuse. I'm confident the game will be great in every other respect, but I, for one, just can't accept any excuse were it to ship without online Co-op.

How about less work on movies, comic books, graphic novels, figurines, t-shirts, helmets, RTS versions of the game, Halo-themed controllers, consoles, MP3 players and all that other stuff and more work on the game? Hell, I'd even give up the ability to share films of my games in exhange for the ability to share the campaign portion (remember, Bungie, the "most important" part of the game?) of the game itself with others, in real-time.



there are lots of reasons why it is difficult for them to have online co-op. look at the size of the maps, we have heard about free roaming, and the like. just see what the have done with the skys as some proof. so no only do you have that large amound of information just in the maps, there is also the randomness factor, granted it isn't much, but a lot more than your normal fps, that adds another thing into the mix. the reason why this is easier with just system link, is the fact there is no go between, with online co-op, there is lag, even if it is small, but that lag will cause a lot of frustration. and all the work on other things, is not done by bungie themselves, but third parties, granted they do take a small bit of time, which is hardly a revolutionizing hour or so, to talk to these people and get these other mediums situated. granted i would love online co-op, i would like it even more if they presented us with a fun time, then a half crap attempt to provide something that is wholely unintertaining.

but all in all, love the update!!!! every week my inticipation grows as i await the tantalizing tidbits of the next weekly update. and burnt hair is a pretty putrid stench, and it lingers. . . .


I recoognize there are challenges. But they overcame them in a game like Crackdown -- a "sandbox" game where two people can be on completely opposite ends of the map and play in their own section just fine. I've played story mode in Rainbow 6 cooperatively online -- it works just fine, people can be all over the place and communicate with each other just fine. They are both sophisticated games. They can do it in H3; I think part of the problem is it's been mismanaged on a publicity level. I mean, how much more anticipation and excitement do people need? H3 will outsell H2 by a wide margin. Maybe it's time for them to consider saying less about the game, not more to avoid these types of problems going forward.

That's my $.02 anyway. The game will be great. I'm confident I'll enjoy it whatever it's final form will be. But if there is no online co-op it will be a large blemish on an otherwise unblemished game.

  • 07.20.2007 8:13 PM PDT

Posted by: GS 059
but seriously.... how would I go about getting a warthog?
pre-order comes with halo3

  • 07.20.2007 8:14 PM PDT

Posted by: OneBigBastard
Posted by: sarrgard
Posted by: OneBigBastard
I can't begin to express what a HUGE dissapointment (and frankly, failure) it would be for Microsoft and Bungie if H3 ships without the ability for online co-op. Online Co-op is practically a standard feature on FPS games on the 360; for H3 to not have that ability would be an embarassing failure, in my view.

Cries of "our AI is extra complicated" or whatever is a hollow excuse. I'm confident the game will be great in every other respect, but I, for one, just can't accept any excuse were it to ship without online Co-op.

How about less work on movies, comic books, graphic novels, figurines, t-shirts, helmets, RTS versions of the game, Halo-themed controllers, consoles, MP3 players and all that other stuff and more work on the game? Hell, I'd even give up the ability to share films of my games in exhange for the ability to share the campaign portion (remember, Bungie, the "most important" part of the game?) of the game itself with others, in real-time.



there are lots of reasons why it is difficult for them to have online co-op. look at the size of the maps, we have heard about free roaming, and the like. just see what the have done with the skys as some proof. so no only do you have that large amound of information just in the maps, there is also the randomness factor, granted it isn't much, but a lot more than your normal fps, that adds another thing into the mix. the reason why this is easier with just system link, is the fact there is no go between, with online co-op, there is lag, even if it is small, but that lag will cause a lot of frustration. and all the work on other things, is not done by bungie themselves, but third parties, granted they do take a small bit of time, which is hardly a revolutionizing hour or so, to talk to these people and get these other mediums situated. granted i would love online co-op, i would like it even more if they presented us with a fun time, then a half crap attempt to provide something that is wholely unintertaining.

but all in all, love the update!!!! every week my inticipation grows as i await the tantalizing tidbits of the next weekly update. and burnt hair is a pretty putrid stench, and it lingers. . . .


I recoognize there are challenges. But they overcame them in a game like Crackdown -- a "sandbox" game where two people can be on completely opposite ends of the map and play in their own section just fine. I've played story mode in Rainbow 6 cooperatively online -- it works just fine, people can be all over the place and communicate with each other just fine. They are both sophisticated games. They can do it in H3; I think part of the problem is it's been mismanaged on a publicity level. I mean, how much more anticipation and excitement do people need? H3 will outsell H2 by a wide margin. Maybe it's time for them to consider saying less about the game, not more to avoid these types of problems going forward.

That's my $.02 anyway. The game will be great. I'm confident I'll enjoy it whatever it's final form will be. But if there is no online co-op it will be a large blemish on an otherwise unblemished game.
you talk funny



no good point

  • 07.20.2007 8:15 PM PDT

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

I am curious about Bungie's apparent need to refer to the internet as the "interweb".
I rarely see this word if ever anywhere else.

BTW whoever wrote this must have been a journalist, cause the article sounds very much like a satirical editorial. But I usually skip through this odd humor. I just can't take that much comparisonial (yahh) referencing of random things.

  • 07.20.2007 8:25 PM PDT

No Matter the Size, Finish the Fight.

I can finally post a reply and it only took me five minutes when surfing the Halo 3 forums that I wasn't signed in *gasp*.

As for the online cooperative play, don't sweat it. It would really be cool to see it in the game, but for it to come with the debut after hearing all the trouble you guys have been having at Bungie, it would be fine to just make it a Xbox Live Marketplace download, but of course, make it free. :)

Zut! Are you guys specifically referring to those regions, as in if you are not in the city you cannot participate, or if you are at least about 100 miles distant away from the city's limits, you are eligible? I would probably like to try.

That's a nice warthog, Weta. As for the guy mentioning the ant, I wondered about that too. How fun would it be to drive a warthog to school and then mow down my enemies with my machine gun? Too much fun that it's illegal, that's what.

Coolios, Bungie, Coolious, and of course, chouetacular.

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  • 07.20.2007 8:27 PM PDT

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Here's to Halo's Lefties. (not the Jackals, the players!) Check my fileshare, I might be worth your while.Unfrigginbelievable!!! In campaign! check my fileshare!

AR/BR together! Why can' t they just get along?......Well, now I guess its AR and DMR,,,, oh will the flame wars never end?

Red Brute- "It gives you Jetpacks!"

I'd love to have a mongoose made by these guys. >_>

When I first read about the sword changes, a thought about a short button sequence minigame within the sword duel raced through my head. /jk

I can see why there might be trouble with online co-op considering how large the stages are going to be, considering after looking at the level with the scarab in the e3 trailer. Meh, I'd still be satisfied with system link, my friend no longer complaining about adjusting to half screen.

Damn, I was just in Dallas.

  • 07.20.2007 8:31 PM PDT
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Yay! Nice to see that they're at least putting in an effort to have online split-screen in Halo 3. Hopefully they can figure out how to make it work in the next week or so before they start mass-producing it for release.

  • 07.20.2007 8:39 PM PDT

ZOMG!!! Am I the first to notice they made the Warthog wrong?!?!?!??!! They forgot the PUMA tires, ala RvB/Halo 3!

  • 07.20.2007 8:46 PM PDT
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ZOMG!!! Am I the first to notice they made the Warthog wrong?!?!?!??!! They forgot the PUMA tires, ala RvB/Halo 3!


its close enough....

  • 07.20.2007 8:49 PM PDT

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ZOMG!!! Am I the first to notice they made the Warthog wrong?!?!?!??!! They forgot the PUMA tires, ala RvB/Halo 3!


its close enough....


Haha, yeah it is extremely well done. I wannna get me one of them=] lol. Still, PUMA still does PWN.

  • 07.20.2007 8:53 PM PDT
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that worthog F'en ROCKS!!

nice update as well

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Suffice to say that sometime, a moderator is going to end this account permenantly.

That update was made of pure win.

  • 07.20.2007 9:01 PM PDT