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Subject: people who complain about noob weapons...

i love how i can kill someone with the noob combo or the sword and instantly "all of your kills were with..." comes from my enemies. followed by, "I would own you 1v1, because beating you in a video game would make my self estem rise through the roof."




suck it up, pros use it too.

  • 07.22.2007 9:48 PM PDT

Combos are always double sided, you like them when you have them and hate them when the enemy does. Same goes for the power weapons. Like it or not they are here to stay. If you don't want it used against you then you should be using it against your enemy. Besides its just a game, and if you don't use it, chances are that someone else is going to.

[Edited on 07.22.2007 9:53 PM PDT]

  • 07.22.2007 9:52 PM PDT

I hate cry babies, if I lose, im practically like bhudda. i just cant stand hearing anyone whine about it. don't like the weapons play a different game.

  • 07.22.2007 9:53 PM PDT
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its not a 'noob' combo, its a more effictive way of killing someone, deal with it.

  • 07.22.2007 10:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Powerful Tard
i love how i can kill someone with the noob combo or the sword and instantly "all of your kills were with..." comes from my enemies. followed by, "I would own you 1v1, because beating you in a video game would make my self estem rise through the roof."




suck it up, pros use it too.

I second this.

  • 07.22.2007 10:32 PM PDT
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Some consider it a point of pride that they are effective at killing their opponents with the traditional weapons and using them in the intended way described by the game. However, I notice that they will of course use a nade / BR and not consider that as unfair, they consider it just using skill and experience. If experience in the game says I can kill someone with a Plasma Pistol shot followed with a head shot from whatever then why wouldn't you use it?

If you can kill someone from a distance and be mostly guaranteed to have victory by grabbing the energy sword, why wouldn't you?

If you can grab the rocket-launcher and crush people, why not?

I never will understand how someone will log on and play a game that's only real goal is to kill as many of your fellow players as possible and then consider any way that makes that killing more efficient as somehow being unsportsmanlike. Combat by it's very nature is and should be unfair. To ignore an obvious advantage over your opponent is to hand it to him on a silver platter. If your pride costs you your life (even in a game) then so be it.

  • 07.22.2007 11:18 PM PDT
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Pros use it too... Thats because they use such amazing teamwork and glitch so insanely that it renders it useless. However, in a Live match with SMG starts and utter -blam!-wits on your team... It's different.

Suck it up.

  • 07.22.2007 11:20 PM PDT

There was a man from Allentown who fed his son to death.
He calmly watched him gorge himself until his final breath.
And there he stood, surprised and shocked above his tiny frame.
He said: "I bear no blame for this. I only share his name!"

I hate any weapon that gives extremely easy kills with no or little drawback, whether I'm the one using it or not. You can be beat by people who are by far worse than you, but simply got the good weapons first.

  • 07.22.2007 11:23 PM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

It's extremely frustrating to get killed because someone decides to exclusively whore weapons the entire game. To out-BR someone repeatedly only to have them respawn on top of the combo and see them hide behind that for the rest of the game si the kind of thing that makes me angry. I'm never the first person to bring out sword or combo. I honestly wish they weren't there and treat them as if they weren't until someone brings them out.

  • 07.22.2007 11:27 PM PDT
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Bungie designed the weapons and made them available for game-play. They obviously intended them to be used. I agree that some of them, such as the energy sword are too powerful, but they are there. If you want to avoid them, stick to custom games or play Team SWAT.

Of course, nothing makes a new player want to find those weapons and use them like some trash talking moron who likes teabagging opponents and other insulting behaviors. What's worse, taking advantage of an in game viable weapon to have an edge or being a douche with the mentality of a 4-year-old?

If you want the gaming environment to be about fairness and the honor of equal combat then act in a fair and honorable way. If instead you want to continue to "pwn" and "-blam!-' people then learn to get nailed with a cheat-stick just as soon as that new player finds out how to use it.

Alls fair in love and war.

  • 07.22.2007 11:54 PM PDT

There was a man from Allentown who fed his son to death.
He calmly watched him gorge himself until his final breath.
And there he stood, surprised and shocked above his tiny frame.
He said: "I bear no blame for this. I only share his name!"

Of course it's fair, it's just not fun.

  • 07.22.2007 11:56 PM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

Posted by: C Moth
Bungie designed the weapons and made them available for game-play. They obviously intended them to be used. I agree that some of them, such as the energy sword are too powerful, but they are there. If you want to avoid them, stick to custom games or play Team SWAT.

Bungie doesn't even play their own game. And when they do, they suck at it. As such, weapon placements are poor. Just because Bungie put something there doesn't mean it should be there. That's why MLG settings are so radically different from defaults; Bungie can't seem to get a proper weapon set. As far as avoiding them goes, as much as I like MLG customs, I shouldn't be forced out of Matchmaking by Bungie's poor decisions.

  • 07.23.2007 12:00 AM PDT
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How are you being forced out of matchmaking? The game of Halo is an envionment that actually allows for a great deal of creativity in the custom settings. You could also play SWAT which completely removes everything you claim to despise. SWAT is in my opinion anyway a great equalizer. No shields, no grenades, just projectile weapons and a players reflexes. He who lands the best shot first, wins. You get no fairer than that.

If however, you are more interested in some fictional ranking system then I could see why you'd be irritated. If you don't like the way the system is set-up, go to a different one. Nobody said you had to play Halo.

Now I am assuming that since you are apparenly an expert on Bungie employees and their performance in game then you are obviously better suited to design their game and make their rules for them. Why don't you send your suggestions to them and maybe they'll recognize your genius the way the rest of us have.

Or, you could learn to live with the game as it presently exists, use the weapons made available in the settings made available and learn to have a good time in spite of your obsessions.

BTW, I'm in a crappy mood so the attitude in post is mostly due to that.

  • 07.23.2007 12:13 AM PDT

Yeah they dont play, becuae they are busy working halo 3. And stop complaining wells. If you dont like them then go play another matchmaking capable game.

  • 07.23.2007 12:14 AM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

Posted by: C Moth
How are you being forced out of matchmaking? The game of Halo is an envionment that actually allows for a great deal of creativity in the custom settings. You could also play SWAT which completely removes everything you claim to despise. SWAT is in my opinion anyway a great equalizer. No shields, no grenades, just projectile weapons and a players reflexes. He who lands the best shot first, wins. You get no fairer than that.

I play lots of Matchmaking. I was saying that your suggestion to stick to customs would be forcing me out of Matchmaking and I don't see it as a very good solution. As for SWAT, it's a terrible playlist. No weapon variety, no BR skill, and an absolutely massive host advantage. Halo 2 isn't suited to that kind of gameplay.

Posted by: C Moth
If however, you are more interested in some fictional ranking system then I could see why you'd be irritated. If you don't like the way the system is set-up, go to a different one. Nobody said you had to play Halo.

I do like the ranking system. It presents a challenge to see how far a player can progress up the ranks and allows for reasonably similar matchups. I was just stating that it can be frustrating to have progress potentially hindered by those with lesser player skill but better luck in whoring weapons.

Posted by: C Moth
Now I am assuming that since you are apparenly an expert on Bungie employees and their performance in game then you are obviously better suited to design their game and make their rules for them. Why don't you send your suggestions to them and maybe they'll recognize your genius the way the rest of us have.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Bungie isn't good at their own games. I mean come on, they consistently lose humpdays to people who are terrible. And for God's sake, they made a whole news post once bragging about how they beat 6 randoms and guests in unranked BTB in Halo 3. They base their playlist decisions around numbers rather than actually playing the playlists and understanding the communities that drive them. Let's take the unranking of BTB Skirmish for example. They claimed it had low playlist usage. At level 35 and with 36s and other high ranks in my party, I could consistently find matches in the playlist without much effort. When playing down at more average ranks, it was very easy to find a game. I played unranked BTB quite a few times over the past couple games. I don't think I played a single one without quitters, and very few even finished the game before the entire other team quit out.

Let's take Certain Affinity for example as well. Although not technically Bungie employees, they were once employees for Bungie and developed the two newest maps. They clearly have no idea what it's like to play competitive Xbox Live games where there's a host. Let's take Desolation Team Slayer. If the host gets one of the two Battle Rifles, th egame essentially ends right there. There' very little cover and the way the map is designed it becomes an absolute trap for any off-host player. It's a similar concept on Tombstone except you have host sniper thrown into the mix.

As for sending in my suggestions, they won't listen. The BTB community had plenty of excellent suggestions for changes to be made to Big Team Battle. These suggestions went completely ignored and Bungie chose to unrank the playlist rather than improve it. Great move that was. I can assemble at the very minimum 5 different members of this forum who I would trust more than Bungie for making decisions regarding playlists.

Posted by: C Moth
Or, you could learn to live with the game as it presently exists, use the weapons made available in the settings made available and learn to have a good time in spite of your obsessions.

I play plenty of Matchmaking and enjoy. However, that's not to say that there aren't significant flaws with Matchmaking playlists that could be greatly improved and result in a superior inline experience.

  • 07.23.2007 12:26 AM PDT

my other account, if you are gonna send me an FR, send it to this account and my Main GT.

i hope in halo 3 that mlg makes its own forge gametypes, then puts them up for download on marketplace. then people who know how to balance a game like the guy above me can search for cuustoms being played with the mlg forge settings. bottom line: bungie is good at making the games but mlg tweaks the way the gametypes and weapons are used to perfection.

  • 07.23.2007 12:49 AM PDT
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SWEET, that's what I wanted. A little extrapilation of your intent never hurts.

You're right, host advantage SUCKS in SWAT, particularly on Tombstone. However, I disagree that it takes no BR skill. What kind of skill are you referring to? Knowing how to button combo or glitch? Please don't advocate that, I don't want the thread locked. Particularly when we have a pretty decent arguement going. Why is it not skill to be able to place a well aimed shot?

Host also has a huge advantage in matchmaking with the BR usage although it's not as noticeable due to the shielding and repeated hits needed. In SWAT it's far more noticeable. But, if the guy playing host can't get those first shots in then he's toast. I've played plenty of games where host got creamed because they couldn't consistently land those first strikes. But, a player with extremely fast reflexes that have their stick coordination down has you destroyed, whether you have host or not.

Besides, the weapons missing from the map which lends to the lack of weapon variety are the very weapons that you are complaining as giving an unfair advantage.

But, from reading previous complaints, the BR is not labeled as part of the weapon problem. The plazma pistol, a weapon whose only real existence seems to be to bring down an opponents shields in one strike to prepare a follow up kill shot with another weapon. In H3, they seem to have cured that somewhat and have relegated the PP to disabling vehicles (which is hilarious). In the mean time it seems that it's a weapon that makes sense considering the environment. Measures and counter-measures have driven weapon development since we first picked up a pointed stick. With the advent of shields will naturally come the advent of a device used to drop them. That's what the plazma pistol is. It certainly is piss-poor at anything else.

The energy sword in H2 is way overpowered. It would be better if they didn't include the lock-on lunge and required more than one head-on strike to deliver a killing hit. Even the H3 version only seems to differ from being limited in the number of strikes you can deliver.

The rocket-launcher, have to have it. How else are you going to bring down vehicles from a distance? Some guys are good at tossing nades but not everybody is.

It all boils down to counter-measures. I've played with plenty of guys who have learned how to counter those "easy-kill" combos. So much so that if you do use them you only make it easier for them. Some guys are really good at using a shotty to end somebody's rampage with the sword. Other guys have good movement and avoidance skills to get around somebody attempting to use a plazma pistol combo.

I haven't been playing Halo for very long. I have a K/D rating of 0.6+. Mediocore at best. My best games are in SWAT. I mostly play custom maps and I don't really care about my rank because I can only devote enough time to the game to have it as only a temporary diversion. Life, career, kids, extra-jobs, all go to demanding a heck of a lot more of my time than gaming used to when I was younger.

Bungie's employees are more than likely hampered in their gaming in the same manner as I am. They are far busier working for a living, making more product that we will obsess over in one way or another and then inevitably complain about.

I'm sorry if the fun has been removed for you by some players taking advantage of a limited range of weapons that require very littel skill to use. I've been playing a lot of custom games or arranged games with friends because of the insulting and juvenile behavior of some of the players encountered in matchmaking. So in one way or another we agree that the game offers some reward and some compromise.

Hopefully, the weapons will be far more balanced in H3 and will be more suited towards a more accurate ranking system.

Somebody who artificially elevates their rank is only setting themselves up for a huge azbeating. The players who have honestly have the skill their rank suggests are not going to be taken advantage of by some little dork running around with a sword the whole game.

From what I understand they unranked BTB as an easy fix to the complaints. This makes a lot of sense from a business decision but didn't make the players happy. Which is unfortunate. But BTB also allowed for players of lower skill level to ride the shirt-tails of more skilled players. I basically did that in Team Sniper. I didn't even try playing until some of the guys on my friends list (who happen to be skilled with snipping) invited me to play with them. I stank, but because they were so good, I upranked. It's only after I went into matchmaking nd got traounced a few times that I started learning how to use a sniper rifle and have since improved. But, the ranking I got in shrt order hindered my learning curve since I was being matched up against players with honest skill.

If the ranking was based on the players individual stats instead of whether or not the team won, the ranking system would be much more better. I don't know how many times I've seen players who have much better skills than their opponents suffer a de-ranking because the other players he was with didn't pull their weight.

My suggestion on sending Bungie your comments was obviously me being a smart-ass. I don't honestly think that a copmany will change their product based on the complaints of a percentage of their customers. It's a little more complex than pushing a few buttons. But, they do seem to be listening. Why do you think they're making the changes that are being made for H3?

ETA: Holy crap, I must be tired. My grammar and spelling stank on this one.



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  • 07.23.2007 1:12 AM PDT


Rockets dont bother me - If I dodge two shots the rockets are mine. Even if the person is good - 4 shots total and that's it.

I hate noob combo and snipers. I wish there was some kind of 'dive and roll' manouver to give you some hope fo surviving when caught out in the open and getting sniped at.

  • 07.23.2007 6:07 AM PDT

"The best part of waking up is not Folgers in your cup but knowing Chuck Norris didn't kill you in your sleep."

Love it all you want because it is going to be a little more difficult to do in H3.

  • 07.23.2007 6:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: xx THE KMANN xx
Love it all you want because it is going to be a little more difficult to do in H3.


I agree. The AR (Assault Rifle for you ignorants out there) will be in Halo 3. The AR brings balance to the game and almost completely eliminates noob combos, swords, and rocket launcher lovers. The only problem is it holds as much ammo as a Dixie cup.

  • 07.23.2007 6:42 AM PDT
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the noob combo is always gonna be available to people who want easy kills. Deal with it. I agree, pros use it, but it doesnt make them better. I dont use it because I actually want to improve. Besides, when you four shot the noob combo, it just makes it so much more fun.

  • 07.23.2007 7:46 AM PDT
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The weapons that bungie created are there to be used. Whether its an easier way to kill someone isn't the point. A kill is a kill and it shouldn't matter how its done. if i come across a PP and also have a BR, then great im gonna use that combo as i know its more a less guaranteed a couple of easy kills before someone shoots a rocket up my arse............The weapons are there to be used and bungies intentions were for us to use them.

  • 07.23.2007 7:55 AM PDT
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[quote]Posted by: C Moth
That's why MLG settings are so radically different from defaults; Bungie can't seem to get a proper weapon set.[quote]

MLG settings are different because they're a business trying to make money. They had to change the settings because they needed competitive and fast paced games because that's what people would rather watch. They do it because it gets more interest and brings in more money. It's not at all because "Bungie can't seem to get a proper weapon set."

[Edited on 07.23.2007 8:03 AM PDT]

  • 07.23.2007 8:02 AM PDT
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Energy sword is nooby? So is shotgun to? If you do rumble swords is everyone like "Noob your using the sword!" and on rumble shotguns? Is Plasma pistol and magnum nooby?

  • 07.23.2007 9:28 AM PDT
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Man u need to suck it up, the worst tho is when your comboing kids down and they are whining in their high pitch voices"omg your a noob", then as soon as they muster up all of them they kill you and begin to use your combo, very hipocritical,but back to the 1v1, y not?, if ur that garbage u cant 1v1 som1 just leave the postgame or dont listen

  • 07.23.2007 9:36 AM PDT

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