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Subject: The BR is the Ultimate Spawning Weapon of Halo 2.
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I believe that the game designers did a great job with the way that Halo is played now. The SMG should remain the main starting weapon for most gametypes. Why fix something that isn't broke? In Team Hardcore, all players start with the BR. In other matchmaking gametypes, such as Team Slayer, most of the time it's SMG start.

Personally, I love the BR start in Hardcore, which is what I usually play the most of when I actually do play in matchmaking. It's the main reason I play it. I don't think that the BR should become the primary starting weapon for 100% of the time, though. Given the SMGs limited shooting range, for distanced battles, it's still FAIR. If you make it to the nearest BR first, congratulations. If not, go play Hardcore.

  • 07.24.2007 6:59 PM PDT

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  • 07.24.2007 7:43 PM PDT

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There is no "perfect" or "balanced" weapon for Halo 2, for that, I'm sure everything can agree on. SMG does not work well enough in enough maps, and neither does a BR. Overall though, there are more common cases that the BR enables a player to get more kills (in comparison to a SMG). Look we can go on and on, but this is the bottom line (THERE IS NO ARGUMENT FOR THIS): if two players both spawn of equal skill and neither has host (assume splitscreen or a third person not nearby), the person who spawns next to a BR will kill the other person with and SMG or SMG/Mag or SMG/PR more often. Gernade + BR = instant death.

  • 07.24.2007 7:55 PM PDT

Add me for some MLG customs or Team Hardcore =D

Posted by: Dawkinsfan33
You took the " Three Golden things of halo weapons, grenades and melee" straight from the Halo 3 Vidoc exactly what they guy was saying, except that he was talking about the ASSAULT RIFLE.

He was comparing AR to BR, they are remotely similar.


The AR is like an SMG with less recoil, effective clos/midrange, and fully automatic, takes half of the clip to kill 1 person.
The BR is semi automatic, same amount of ammo as AR(i think), very effective long range and close range, can kill someone with 4 shots to the head, effective to kill multiple people because of its 3 shot burst to kill someone with no shield with 1 shot ( grenade, melee, plasma pistol) <---omg 3 golden things of halo!

FAR FROM REMOTELY SIMILAR.

  • 07.24.2007 11:01 PM PDT

its not a good idea becuse the SMG is made for a starting weapon and as you said power weapons are a necesity to win ranked matches and if everyone had a BR then its almost having everyone with a decent gun instead of scavenging for them besides right now most slayer games i play i start with a BR.

  • 07.25.2007 1:15 AM PDT

Posted by: Ninja 2153
The reason BR is not a good spawning weapon is because people stop duel weilding all together.

No, it just means dual-wielding is no longer mandatory. Obviously bungie agrees, because they went for a single-wield starting weapon in halo 3.

Posted by: johnd3d
If your always gonna complain about host i suggest you get a better connection.

Which won't have any effect on latency, and will be a waste of money.

  • 07.25.2007 2:05 AM PDT
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Why does this thread even exist? I seriously want to know why you started this pointless topic this late in Halo 2's lifecycle.

  • 07.25.2007 1:38 PM PDT
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The reason BR is not a good spawning weapon is because people stop duel weilding all together.

2.) It ruins/destroys/stops duel wielding

Incorrect. It stops improper duel wielding. You now need to duel wield where it should dominate. Close range. BR spawns simply put duel wielding in it’s place. How many times have you seen duel wielders run across coag? A bunch huh? Watching them run at each other until they get within magnum range, only to be taken out by a sniper. If they had BR’s they both could have fought. + for BR spawn on big maps.




Wrong, it stops duel weilding all together

On big open maps, yes i agree BR start is good but maps like Lockout it doesn't work.

  • 07.25.2007 2:16 PM PDT
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I'm willing to openly guess that this thread was a giant response to that one thread asking to remove the BR entirely. If that be the case, next time just cut it down by 80% and paste it inside the thread.

  • 07.25.2007 2:19 PM PDT
Subject: The BR is the Ultimate Spawning Weapon of Halo 2.
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Smg start is broken. Sorry not always the best team wins in SMG start games. I mean can you honestly disagree that most if not all matches won with br start games are usually won by the better team? If so why do you disagree?

  • 07.25.2007 8:40 PM PDT

John 3:16

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Ha. In almost every situation the Battle Rifle will own the SMG at close range.


True, 1 SMG v. 1 BR = BR FTW if the players are equal



Not if you use the SMG properly. Mainly, I use the SMG like I would use an assault rifle and it works.


In an isolated situation, yes it works. But in reality, your in a heavy disadvantage. One, you lack range and firepower. Two, you need a dual to go along with it, grenades, and in addition to that be in close quarters range, to make good use of it. Other than that, a person who uses a BR will stay out of SMG range. If the two players use their weapons to their maximum potential, the one with the battle rifle wins unless he makes a mistake. Which would be the dual wielders only golden chance if both players are decent aimers and are at an equal skill level.


Wrong, it stops duel weilding all together

On big open maps, yes i agree BR start is good but maps like Lockout it doesn't work.


Check again, dual wielding is good against raiding defensive positions like BR tower or Sniper Area. Heck, I even owe some wins by single weilding a plasma rifle using its laser to take shields out and followup with a beat down.

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  • 07.25.2007 10:01 PM PDT
Subject: The BR is the Ultimate Spawning Weapon of Halo 2. (With explaining ...
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Posted by: johnd3d
PS Halo 3 Assult Rifle is the most balanced perfect spawning weapon

I was going to argue with you until I saw that. Now I just agree.

I consider halo2 a very flawed game (it's still one of the best games ever made in my opinion). There simply aren't any perfect spawn weapons in halo2 because none of them reinforce what Halo should be about, which is a wide variety of combat styles.

But out of that mess I have to agree, the Br is the best spawn weapon in halo2 because it gives everyone a running chance from the get go.

I'm just glad Bungie has the AR for halo3.

[Edited on 07.25.2007 10:22 PM PDT]

  • 07.25.2007 10:21 PM PDT
Subject: The BR is the Ultimate Spawning Weapon of Halo 2.

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i prefer the BR and i admit i do use BxR and RRX and sometimes even RRXYYRRX but i played the beta and to be honest i ended up owning a lot more that i thought i would so dont go giving it all that about how we good players rely(sp?) on those button combos just because your not that good at them and get beat by them i know how you feel we were all n00bs once

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  • 07.26.2007 2:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: johnd3d
Video with Bungie admiting duel weild spawns are bad for halo in OP and here http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/87067.html#new_ comment
great video ......bungie change the default starting weapon in halo 2 to the BR

  • 07.26.2007 12:58 PM PDT
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I am gonna save this thread and read it another day, I just have to say is that I used all of those video clips and spent an hr one day transcribing them to defend why I think that the game should be a BR start only. Great video

  • 07.26.2007 2:47 PM PDT
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July 26, 2007

Current results from poll

Poll: The BR is the Ultimate Spawning Weapon in Halo 2.
Yes, the BR must become the spawning weapon in H2: 75%
(75 Votes)
No, Smg is the best spawning weapon: 25%
(25 Votes)
Total Votes: 100

3/4 of the Halo population believe that the Battle Rifle is a more balanced starting weapon in halo 2 than the smg or any duel weild spawning weapon. So Bungie you admit smg spawns are a mistake too so when are you going to fix this mistake by making the battle rifle the default spawning weapon in Halo2 .

  • 07.26.2007 3:20 PM PDT

get pwnz0r'd

I think the BR is better because it wins when it faces an SMG-wielding opponent

  • 07.26.2007 5:46 PM PDT
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hah, if casual players actually cared to vote, things would look different.

Again, the people who voted yes were probably 1 or 2 people. Possibly multiple personalities of the same person. Or possibly a Hive mind with numerous drones.

  • 07.26.2007 9:50 PM PDT