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I believe that Bungie got it right, having different gametypes start with different things. The point of Team Slayer is coordination and controlling power-weapons and key points throughout the map. Team Hardcore twists that by starting EVERYONE with a semi-power-weapon, and taking away the radar, hence the increased difficulty in gaining rank in this particular playlist.

  • 08.03.2007 12:20 PM PDT
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in there halo 3 viDoc that realesed a while ago, it explained that starting everyone with the SMG made everyone hold duals, thus taking away gernades and melee attacks, and then stated you can't do either when your duel weilded. i also beleive the BR would'nt be that fair as most people can't double shot, quad shot etc. i'd have too say that Assualt rifle would be better than both as a Legit starting weapon.

  • 08.03.2007 12:49 PM PDT

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It is fact that the BR is the most balanced and skillful spawning weapon in Halo 2. Not an opinion. Facts are backed up with reasons, and the OP gave all of them, so I will not repeat them. Whether it is the 'best' spawning weapons is all subjective, because everyone has different tastes.

  • 08.03.2007 2:36 PM PDT

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Can I just re-iterate something: -
Posted by: johnd3d
This thread is not aimed toward MLG
Also posted by: johnd3d [b]In the same post no less{/b]
we would probably be happy with just 1 well-designed playlist *cough* MLG *cough*

So you DO NOT believe his entire article is was written with the purpose to persuade players that MLG should be the only playlist and that because it has BR start it is superior to SMG start? Also; this means you believe I am wrong in telling him to shove it because not all players like MLG.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the powers that be implement the common wishes of many with the aim to serve: unfortunately this means not everyone gets exactly what they want. I would like H 2 H back, but it isn't going to happen so I don't dwell on it like the MLG guys dwell on BR starts.

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Guys, stay on topic. Don't make this a MLG discussion, cause this thread will get locked if it does.

I care not what spawning weapon I have, so long as everyone else has the same starting weapon.

  • 08.03.2007 6:54 PM PDT
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SMG sucks, i hate when i spawn with an SMG and have to combat a BR or a Sniper. It sucks.

  • 08.03.2007 8:48 PM PDT
Subject: The BR is the Ultimate Spawning Weapon of Halo 2.
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Most, if not all the time, people prefer the BR over the SMG because they haven't the skill to take control of the map and retrieve the power weapons.

  • 08.03.2007 8:50 PM PDT
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Most, if not all the time, people prefer the BR over the SMG because they haven't the skill to take control of the map and retrieve the power weapons.


Like I said, its impossible to take out someone who is controlling those power weapons with a single SMG. The AR is way better for it.

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Ahh yes, of course. But, do you know why they have the power weapons? Because they had the skill and presence of mind to retrieve them because they know what it takes to win.

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Posted by: A Drunk Llama
Ahh yes, of course. But, do you know why they have the power weapons? Because they had the skill and presence of mind to retrieve them because they know what it takes to win.

What does that have to do with spawning with an SMG?

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If BR was the spawning weapon in Halo 2 then that would defeat the purpose of Team Hardcore- why no just play Team Slayer or Skirmish instead? I mean, you would start with a BR anyway... besides I hardly see people dual wielding anyway. SMG+nades start is good for most purposes.

  • 08.03.2007 9:19 PM PDT
Subject: The BR is the Ultimate Spawning Weapon of Halo 2. (With explaining ...

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Posted by: Dredwerkz

I think you MLG folk should be given your own Forum on B.net, no not because you deserve one, but because there are people who enjoy the game just how it is and realise other people have their own preferences so don't try to force their opinion on others. The BR is a weapon, it kills, sometimes better than others, sometimes worse than others. What makes it the ideal spawn weapon over the sniper on big maps and the magnum on small maps? Yet you MLG folk insist on having it the spawn weapon on all maps. Balance doesn't come in the form of weapons, it never will, just the players, how they want to play, what mood they're in, who they're with, if they're drunk, if they care, if they want to win, if they want to superbounce. Advertise your group but for Christ sakes don't force it onto other people. You spend so much time trying to convince people what you are saying is correct. Even if you are I will never submit because I loath the tactic of join us or die. You should learn to live with what other people believe, even if you think it is wrong, find it offensive, or even wish them dead because of it.


See, that's not the point. When soemthing is brought up, no one is forced to believe. And neither is this a matter of what is right and what is wrong. His focus is to explain areas where the SMG fails to make the game balanced.

Your argument hardly has anything to do with what he is originaly talking about. In fact, it is a separate argument altogether. So, in the same way people want to do what they want to do, why do you have to talk like he had no reason to talk about what he wanted to talk about.

  • 08.03.2007 11:31 PM PDT

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Can I just re-iterate something: -
Posted by: johnd3d
This thread is not aimed toward MLG
Also posted by: johnd3d In the same post no less
we would probably be happy with just 1 well-designed playlist *cough* MLG *cough*

So you DO NOT believe his entire article is was written with the purpose to persuade players that MLG should be the only playlist and that because it has BR start it is superior to SMG start? Also; this means you believe I am wrong in telling him to shove it because not all players like MLG.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the powers that be implement the common wishes of many with the aim to serve: unfortunately this means not everyone gets exactly what they want. I would like H 2 H back, but it isn't going to happen so I don't dwell on it like the MLG guys dwell on BR starts.
Posted By: Kevkili
Why did you just quote exactly what I said?

[Edited on 08.04.2007 2:15 AM PDT]

  • 08.04.2007 2:05 AM PDT
Subject: The BR is the Ultimate Spawning Weapon of Halo 2.

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Posted by: A Drunk Llama
Ahh yes, of course. But, do you know why they have the power weapons? Because they had the skill and presence of mind to retrieve them because they know what it takes to win.


or they spawned closer to them, killed you because you only had an smg, and proceeded to win the game because you spawn with a completely useless weapon. or you can spawn with brs, use team fire, call out player and weapon locations, have well planned out setups for different maps and gametypes, time things like overshield and power weapon respawns, and use a weapon that takes more overall skill than any other weapon in the game. you just like sniping kids across the map when they have smgs, not trying to outsmart and out br them on an even playing field.

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i dont personally like spawning with the SMG especially on Warlock when all the enemies have BR's.
But on most maps, the player can adapt and work with what bungie gives him.

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I'll not get into the argument here...

I don't see why anyone would prefer the SMG as a starting weapon. The BR has decent damage, and damn good range for being a basic weapon.

  • 08.04.2007 10:25 PM PDT

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Its much like the AR because it works perfect with the three major things in Halo Weapons, Mele, Grenade

  • 08.04.2007 10:48 PM PDT