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Yes, they were not intended to be in the game, but they do not give an unfair advantage because everyone can do them and nearly everyone does do them. It is not an unfair advantage. Modding and standbying give an unfair advantage but not pressing buttons on your controller.

  • 07.24.2007 1:24 PM PDT
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This thread will soon be locked.

As it is button glitching of any kind is now being considered cheating by Bungie. The faq page has yet to be edited to reflect this change of stance but I've been told by the Mods that they will be enforcing that in these forums. Therefore, any thread identifying or advicating the use of button glitches will be locked at soonest opportunity.

  • 07.24.2007 1:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: GUNNERMANZ
Yes, they were not intended to be in the game, but they do not give an unfair advantage because everyone can do them and nearly everyone does do them. It is not an unfair advantage. Modding and standbying give an unfair advantage but not pressing buttons on your controller.


Canceling an animation that shouldn't be canceled isn't an unfair advantage. Making a gun shoot twice as fast than it should isn't an unfair advantage. Please, explain how? There wouldn't be any arguement if it wasn't for the fact that they shouldn't exist, and thus exploiting something that should have existed gives the player who uses it an unfair advantage.

Tell me though, what sets Modding, Standbying, and Bridging apart from Glitches? Either way you are still finding a way around the system to give yourself an advantage over your opponant. Some may be more drastic advantages over the other, but that doesn't change the fact that they still function the same way. Hell, I remember when people saw bridging and didn't look at it as cheating because it didn't drastically change the game, regardless of that belief it was still cheating the system. This is no different. You are still cheating the system, exploiting errors to your advantage.

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Its not unfair. There are ways to avoid getting BXR'ed. Duck the melee, and the guy who tried to BXR you is screwed. Dont get close to a guy if you're scared of getting BXR'ed. There are ways around it if you feel like you are getting cheated. Also, I dont know about other people, but I only double shot if they have no chance of winning. If I have two shots on a guy, and he doesn't even see me or is about to turn a corner, I try to pull of thr RRX so I can go on with other things. I never try to do it in an even battle.

My guess is that anyone who has a problem with it has other things to work on. If you think you lost a game because of a guy double shotting you, you are wrong. That person likely has better skill or tactics than you. You have the opinion to think you were killed cheaply. Leave feedback if you want, nothing is going to be done about it.

  • 07.24.2007 1:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: LBT Petrie
Its not unfair. There are ways to avoid getting BXR'ed. Duck the melee, and the guy who tried to BXR you is screwed. Dont get close to a guy if you're scared of getting BXR'ed. There are ways around it if you feel like you are getting cheated. Also, I dont know about other people, but I only double shot if they have no chance of winning. If I have two shots on a guy, and he doesn't even see me or is about to turn a corner, I try to pull of thr RRX so I can go on with other things. I never try to do it in an even battle.

My guess is that anyone who has a problem with it has other things to work on. If you think you lost a game because of a guy double shotting you, you are wrong. That person likely has better skill or tactics than you. You have the opinion to think you were killed cheaply. Leave feedback if you want, nothing is going to be done about it.


And there are ways to avoid being modded or standbyed again, that doesn't mean that those forms of cheating arn't cheating. The issue isn't losing, but instead people get frustrated when they earned a kill, only to be glitched out of that kill last second. THAT is what irritates people. It is also pure disrespect to glitch when you do not know what a person's stance is on glitching

  • 07.24.2007 2:04 PM PDT
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im sorry but i dont think ists cheating because in pro mlg tournaments they use them!!

  • 07.24.2007 2:08 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: DeathShot21
im sorry but i dont think ists cheating because in pro mlg tournaments they use them!!



Before I say this, I want EVERYONE to know that im supportive of button combos.


Now, I hate to tell you but regardless of what you think it is cheating. Just because MLG allows it at tournaments dosent make it legit on XBL. Bungie and Live have their own rules they you are required to abide by if you want to play. I personally do not abide by that part of their rules and NEVER will but thats the price I pay isnt it?

  • 07.24.2007 2:12 PM PDT

Posted by: DeathShot21
im sorry but i dont think ists cheating because in pro mlg tournaments they use them!!


Here, genious -

Posted by: Linkb8s
MLG does it because it's their organization, they make the rules. If they choose to, in 2008, they could ban glitches, and everyone would drop them without a second thought. Here's what you need to remember, outside of MM, outside of Bungie's realm, you are free to make up whatever rules you want, but inside of MM, your rules, MLG's rules, whatever, are not the rules, Bungie's rules are. If you don't like it, leave.

Outside of MM, it is up to yourself to decide if you want to use glitches or not because you are not bound by the rules of Bungie. But inside of MM, you respect Bungie's rules just like you respect MLG's rules at their tournaments...or are you saying that you would do the same and go against MLG's rules?

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I respect your opinion if you choose not to do it. I know plenty of players who are better than me who dont use the BR glitches. They are hella good. If you are irritated thats ok. Give them props for pulling something out of their ass. You can get them next time. Again, if you use smart tactics instead of charging in with anger at the person, you are more likely to succeed. Notice how the best players are not the ones who run around in MM yelling, "OMG I just got a triple kill, get raped" Most of the pro players are calm and keep their heads. The BR glitches are such a small part of the game that they should never decide the outcome of the game.

Last night in a br slayer game on zanzibar, a guy was camping by the sniper with dual wields by the sniper waiting for someone to come and get it. He comes out firing at me and I pull off a nasty lunge to bxr him just as my shields were about to die. First off, I t-bagged him cuz that was -blam!-. second, I think he deserved that. If you camp w/ DW in a br slayer game, ur just a nub. Yeah he quit as soon as I did that. But was the game decided by one kill? No. It wasent even close from the beginning. It meant nothing. It had zero effect on the outcome of the game.

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Posted by: sony killa
I hate MLG and the people who are total fanatics for it.


Dont confuse MLG with a Battle Rifle. One is a game type, the other is a weapon. I dont even pay attention to MLG. Those kids have no future.

"Oh I've got a great idea, Mom"
"Yes, dear what is it?"
"I'm gonna drop out of college to become a professional video game player. And, I might get $20,000 to split with 4 people."


  • 07.24.2007 2:25 PM PDT
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i think that the BR is a little too overpowering in the game. When people use the glitches such as BXR, BXB, RRX, and others make the weapon even more overpowered and retarted.

  • 07.24.2007 2:26 PM PDT

Posted by: LBT Petrie
I think it is the most versatile weapon in the game. As of now, I only bother with team hardcore. It is obviously great at long distances, but can be quite effective in short range too. (Not talking about BXR) I mean you get a quick beat down in, and then just single headshot kills them. The only dual wield I ever lose to now is the brute plasma combo. (That thing is just a beast) I dont know why so many people on this forum keep talking bad about it. The SMG is a terrible spawning weapon. If the other team has high ground, you are always going to die, hence why I never play slayer.

The double shot, another thing that people complain about, also adds to the depth of the game. Now there have been so many posts about how its cheap and against the rules. I frankly dont care. Nobody will ever get banned for it, and Bungie cant do anything about it, so it has become part of the game whether you like it or not. Now doing the glitches like RRX and BXR dont make me a good player. I just think it makes it a little more interesting. If you get double shotted, the person who did it to you is probably very good and can beat you anyways. To be able to pull it off and still get headshots on a consistant basis requires a lot of skill, especially for people like me and the majority of the players who dont claw. I also only use it when either I have no chance of losing, such as the guy doesn't even see me, or if it against a cheap weapon like the sword or noob combo. Trying to do it in an even battle is just stupid. If you dont do it, you are going to reload and will lose a fight you could have won. I also find the BXR messes up more often than not, so I rarely go after someone with the intention of BXRing him.

This thread will get locked because it is the admins jobs to prevent talking about things that are technically against the rules, but just realize that BXR and RRX have become part of the game, and nothing will be done about it if you fall victim to one of these button combos, so stop complaining about it. Either learn how to do them or wait for the glorious day Halo 3 is released.


the person who RRX's can be a terrible person at halo, this is the main reason i think the RRX glitch is cheap and should be bannable, there are people out there in the world that have made an xbox 360 controller have an added button on the back of it, this button can do RRXYY in continuous cycles making the BR automatic and killing people in seconds, also people doing RRX normally cant aim cos their fingers are away from the thumbstick, but this button on the modded controller can be put somewhere easy to access and they can aim while ussing it. this is why RRX is cheap. only few people have these controllers so they are majorly exploiting the glitch

  • 07.24.2007 2:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: LBT Petrie
I respect your opinion if you choose not to do it. I know plenty of players who are better than me who dont use the BR glitches. They are hella good. If you are irritated thats ok. Give them props for pulling something out of their ass. You can get them next time. Again, if you use smart tactics instead of charging in with anger at the person, you are more likely to succeed. Notice how the best players are not the ones who run around in MM yelling, "OMG I just got a triple kill, get raped" Most of the pro players are calm and keep their heads. The BR glitches are such a small part of the game that they should never decide the outcome of the game.

Last night in a br slayer game on zanzibar, a guy was camping by the sniper with dual wields by the sniper waiting for someone to come and get it. He comes out firing at me and I pull off a nasty lunge to bxr him just as my shields were about to die. First off, I t-bagged him cuz that was -blam!-. second, I think he deserved that. If you camp w/ DW in a br slayer game, ur just a nub. Yeah he quit as soon as I did that. But was the game decided by one kill? No. It wasent even close from the beginning. It meant nothing. It had zero effect on the outcome of the game.


And you are entitled to your opinion, that said, I, and more than likely many other people out there will leave cheating feedback if it is seen done in MM. But it is frustrating, and irritating knowing that someone will glitch, regardless of what the other players stance is. It shows a totaly lack of respect towards your opponants (though that kind of ideal seems to have gone straight out the window at this point.

I would give them props on pulling off the glitch...if the glitch was a standard thing which is ALLOWED by the rules of the realm in which I play. If it was pulled off in one of my games where I allow glitches, then I will give mad props. But as it is, if it is pulled off in MM, there is no need to give any props because I am not going to do them out of respect towards my opponant, and out of respect of the rules of the realm in which I play in. It is that concept which is what irks me the most. People who look at the rules and replace them with their own. It's like going into some elses custom game and doing whatever you want, regardless of what the concensus is.

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Posted by: LBT Petrie
I think it is the most versatile weapon in the game. As of now, I only bother with team hardcore. It is obviously great at long distances, but can be quite effective in short range too. (Not talking about BXR) I mean you get a quick beat down in, and then just single headshot kills them. The only dual wield I ever lose to now is the brute plasma combo. (That thing is just a beast) I dont know why so many people on this forum keep talking bad about it. The SMG is a terrible spawning weapon. If the other team has high ground, you are always going to die, hence why I never play slayer.

The double shot, another thing that people complain about, also adds to the depth of the game. Now there have been so many posts about how its cheap and against the rules. I frankly dont care. Nobody will ever get banned for it, and Bungie cant do anything about it, so it has become part of the game whether you like it or not. Now doing the glitches like RRX and BXR dont make me a good player. I just think it makes it a little more interesting. If you get double shotted, the person who did it to you is probably very good and can beat you anyways. To be able to pull it off and still get headshots on a consistant basis requires a lot of skill, especially for people like me and the majority of the players who dont claw. I also only use it when either I have no chance of losing, such as the guy doesn't even see me, or if it against a cheap weapon like the sword or noob combo. Trying to do it in an even battle is just stupid. If you dont do it, you are going to reload and will lose a fight you could have won. I also find the BXR messes up more often than not, so I rarely go after someone with the intention of BXRing him.

This thread will get locked because it is the admins jobs to prevent talking about things that are technically against the rules, but just realize that BXR and RRX have become part of the game, and nothing will be done about it if you fall victim to one of these button combos, so stop complaining about it. Either learn how to do them or wait for the glorious day Halo 3 is released.


the person who RRX's can be a terrible person at halo, this is the main reason i think the RRX glitch is cheap and should be bannable, there are people out there in the world that have made an xbox 360 controller have an added button on the back of it, this button can do RRXYY in continuous cycles making the BR automatic and killing people in seconds, also people doing RRX normally cant aim cos their fingers are away from the thumbstick, but this button on the modded controller can be put somewhere easy to access and they can aim while ussing it. this is why RRX is cheap. only few people have these controllers so they are majorly exploiting the glitch


Programmable controllers, I hate those things with a passion.

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Yeah the people who buy $200 controllers to double shot are retarded. I played against someone who had one of those and it was unbelievable. It was like this guy was playing swat and the rest of us were playing slayer. In someone's comment ,"a person who double shots can be terrible at halo", yes I agree. Doing these glitches does not make you good. But to be able to pull them off with any degree of efficency in Matchmaking takes considerable skill. To pull it off takes perfect timing along with keeping the aimer on the head. It took me a long time to be able to do this.

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Yeah there is no honor in Matchmaking. I never use the noob combo out of respect for my opponents, and to get better.

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button combos make the br too overpowered.

  • 07.24.2007 2:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Wow, Zack and Brock, don't you guys ever get tired of proving you're idiots? Seriously, shouldn't you kids get out and do something productive with your lives? Instead of trying to justify the use of glitches in a video game? It's truly saddening to see such idiocy continue on the forums. I promise you both you'll have a temp-ban by the end of the week. Maybe that will convince you to go outside or stay away from Bungie.net. Or just go back to the MLG forums, there are plenty of idiots over there for you to play with.

First off, for all the complete idiots who keep touting that "glitches add depth"; you've got to be kidding me. Seriously, can you be that stupid? But apparently, the majority of you are, and that is saddening. Glitches add about as much "depth" as using standby does. Everyone can learn to do standby, you just have to have a modem with the magical "standby" button and learn to push it at the right time when you have host. If you can't understand why animation glitches ruin weapons balance on the Battle Rifle, you're more of a window licker than I give you credit for. And just because "everyone" does something that breaks weapons balance, that doesn't magically make it balanced again. How in the hell do you ignorant kids keep thinking that makes sense? "If we keep breaking the game more, it makes it less broken"...damn fine logic there. How could I possibly argue against something like that? Stop trying to use this tired old excuse because you are wrong, you've been proven wrong, and you'll never ever come up with a valid argument to the contrary. Which is why you never attempt to, because you're glitching idiots, who can't think for themselves other than to give the excuse "it adds depth". Grow a brain and try to think for yourselves instead of using completely invalid BS excuses like this one. But you can't now can you Zack or Brock, because that is your "bread and butter". If the fact is that it doesn't add "depth" as MLG says it does, that means *gasp* MLG has no reason to allow them. Just like they don't allow for the use of physics glitches. Many people would argue that the use of superjumps add "depth" to the game because it allows people to access areas of the map they couldn't normally. But MLG doesn't allow those? Sounds like somebody's organization is being a bit hypocritical.

Why allow one set of glitches if not the other? You can try to justify both (equally badly) with the excuse that they "add depth". Because in fact, neither glitch adds depth because they essentially "break" a certain aspect of the game, be it weapon or map balance. But you idiots are too blinded by your devotion to MLG to realize and think for yourselves that "hey, maybe these don't add depth". If MLG is really about teamwork and strategy, why not just allow those, and not use a glitch. But you can't, because MLG says they add "depth" so you come on the forums spouting the same crap. MLG IS WRONG, and if you choose to subscribe to their misguided opinion, you're wrong as well.

As to the kids who keep saying that they know that the use of animation glitches and physics glitches are illegal but yet continue to use them in MM on XBL anyways? Why bother? Why not cheat in other ways too? Why stop there? Why not move up to standby or modding? Because you are cheaters just the same as they are. You knowingly cheat and that's pathetic. Anyone who is willing to practice a glitch is pathetic. So that's right, I'm calling every "pro" in MLG pathetic, because they don't have the balls to stand up to their organization and say, "we want to play a tournament and see who has the best teamwork and strategy, not who can use a glitch the best". But they never will, because they can't fathom with their diminished intellects that they are playing a "broken" version of the game and trying to pass it off as "depth".

Grow up kids, and please stop being idiots.

As for Zack and Brock, enjoy your time off...

~B.B.

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Posted by: ALIENwolve
The battle rifle is too versatile.


Agreed. Honestly, I think it (+Carbine) should be considered a power weapon. Honestly, three shots?

My opinion.

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Seriously, shouldn't you kids get out and do something productive with your lives? Instead of trying to justify the use of glitches in a video game? It's truly saddening to see such idiocy continue on the forums.


Lol thanks for catching that one. I totally overlooked that and assumed it was another BR topic. Yeah guys, dont try to justify glitches.

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Posted by: LBT Petrie
Yeah there is no honor in Matchmaking. I never use the noob combo out of respect for my opponents, and to get better.


Wait...WHAT?!? Not using the weapons the way they are designed out of respect for your opponant...but using glitches instead. That makes NO sense.

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Ok but its like meeleeing to shoot faster after a reload. Is that cheating too? If BXR was used by everyone and it became second nature, where is the imbalance. But since some people are against it not everyone will. Now I suspose people are going to say "Halo 2 is for cheaters who cant play halo 1." And then superjumping is glitching but you dont make a giant fuss about that. And for the noob combos as previously said, nothing is wrong with it. You just dislike it because you got killed by it but arent brave enough to use it or you think for some reason its below you.

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Posted by: SOSLICK22
I will agree that button glitching changes weapon ballance. for example if you meet someone around a corner (he is carrying a sword as a secondary) and you BxR him he doesn't even have a chance to take out his sword, where normally he would if you didn't BxR him. BUT this just makes it more skillfull to use weapons such as sword and shotty. (you have to be more aware so that you can switch fast enough, and you have to make sure you don't miss)


The don't really change the weapon balance...they destroy it. And the issue is this, it doesn't make using a sword or shotty more skillful, instead it just makes the BR far superior to any other weapon. Eventually it boils down to a player only needing the BR in most situations.

The problem with the excuse though of "Glitches add depth" is that it adds depth...in one factor of playing. In reality though, it takes away depth from the overall game by limiting the choices one needs to make regarding weapons.

  • 07.24.2007 3:53 PM PDT

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