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Yep. Agreed.

  • 07.26.2007 3:12 AM PDT

Freedom of Speech does not equal "Freedom from Consequences when one speaks".

It is a right, and all rights have responsibilities associated with them. Ignore the responsibility, and you tend to lose the right.
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Posted by: Done DL

No offense, but its only the players with a lack of skill that complains about button glitching.

b3owulf: Team Slayer Stats: Won 256/662 Level 15


I shouldn't honor this thread with a response, but since you so astutely brought up my poor stats, it offers an opportunity for me to illustrate my point.

1. I don't have cable broadband, and from the start am playing at a disadvantage against the rest of you who have better connections. I'm not making excuses, that's just how it is.

2. I don't do parties any longer, which would offer me a team advantage. I'm an older gamer, and all those on my friend's list close to my age and demeanor have long since quit playing H2 because of all the cheating and lousy behavior. I enter matchmaking as a single, which most of the time matches me with other singles or pairs placed against organized teams. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the probable outcome will be.

3. There is button-glitching going on EVERY SINGLE GAME. I can't win against cheaters when I play by the rules, but I refuse to compromise the correct style of playing to sink to your level. Therefore, my rank stays between 15 and 20. It's nice to win, but I would rather have the satisfaction of playing a game that I otherwise enjoy without exploiting unfair advantages against others who may be playing like me. I don't live my life that way, and play H2 the same way.

If it weren't for the abovementioned factors, my rank would easily be double what it is.

  • 07.26.2007 8:06 AM PDT

I really don't get much of it at that level. I've been BXR'd maybe twice in matchmaking that I know of, and a suspected double shot once.

Still, doesn't change the rules though.

  • 07.26.2007 8:23 AM PDT

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Recon Number 54

Posted by: SOSLICK22

1. my connection is no better than yours and i do fine


And...how do you know that your connection is no better than mine? My max pause is sometimes as high as 1300ms. Latency in my connection is probably the biggest single factor why my level is where it is.

  • 07.26.2007 8:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Which will never happen. By the same token, just because your mind thinks they're fair doesn't make them fair. The rule is in place, therefore those who don't follow the rules are cheating those that do. The simple existence of people who will be following the rules makes breaking them unfair. You cannot out-rationalise that. If you want to play the game a different way to how it was intended, there's obviously plenty of scope for doing so in your own customs, LANs, whatever. But when you do something in matchmaking - a proprietary service ran by the people who make the rules - that was not intended to be a part of the game, you're not playing the same game as the guy who does observe the rules, and that is what isn't fair.


This struck me as the best argument in this thread. Rules are there to keep people in order and no "rules are not meant to be broken". I will say that since it is so hard to detect for Bungie in matchmaking that in the final sixty days of Halo 2, just play it and enjoy it. We can't change anything and nothing will get done. As Iceman said
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Unfortunately, this is the wrong place.

Bungie.net is known for being anti MLG, and anti "competitive gaming" as a whole. If you play MLG and/or game competitively, you're labeled as a quote unquote "No life Cheater" on these boards.

Immaturity at its finest I say.

Maybe there will come a time where we can discuss MLG/Competitive gaming on these forums. I honestly don't see why we can't at the moment. Maybe lesser skilled players feel bad that people can be so good at a game and they can't. I don't want to come off as "cocky" or "good" (I'm really not that good at this game) but it sure does seem that way any time we try to talk about MLG/competitive gaming here.

Oh, and guys, please don't turn this into another tired "Anti MLG vs Pro MLG" debate, it's getting really REALLY old.

  • 07.26.2007 8:41 AM PDT

Posted by: B3OWULF
I shouldn't honor this thread with a response, but since you so astutely brought up my poor stats, it offers an opportunity for me to illustrate my point.

1. I don't have cable broadband, and from the start am playing at a disadvantage against the rest of you who have better connections. I'm not making excuses, that's just how it is.

2. I don't do parties any longer, which would offer me a team advantage. I'm an older gamer, and all those on my friend's list close to my age and demeanor have long since quit playing H2 because of all the cheating and lousy behavior. I enter matchmaking as a single, which most of the time matches me with other singles or pairs placed against organized teams. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the probable outcome will be.

3. There is button-glitching going on EVERY SINGLE GAME. I can't win against cheaters when I play by the rules, but I refuse to compromise the correct style of playing to sink to your level. Therefore, my rank stays between 15 and 20. It's nice to win, but I would rather have the satisfaction of playing a game that I otherwise enjoy without exploiting unfair advantages against others who may be playing like me. I don't live my life that way, and play H2 the same way.

If it weren't for the abovementioned factors, my rank would easily be double what it is.

1. Connection can have an effect, but even "bad" connections find games that aren't laggy. My ISP, for example, likes to randomly drop my connection and reduce my upload/download rate. I still manage 25-28 (pre-reset mind you, haven't played much since...)

2. It seems that if you aren't with friends, you tend to get the short straw when it comes to player skill. The only way to fix that is to go in with friends. There are kid that aren't stupid/loud/obnoxious that you can play with. Some are intellegent. (I'm assuming by "older" you mean 20-40, even if you aren't, it still applies)

3. Your just putting yourself at a disadvantage for not using it. You wouldn't going around using JUST the SMG because you thought the other weapons make the game "unfair." It just doesn't make sense. It's also the same as the combo. It is cheap but it's there to use and if you complain about loosing because of it, it's your fault for not using it.

Don't blame your rank of bad connection/cheating/going in single. I have a bad connection, I don't button glitch (in Matchmaking, I do in Customs) and go into matchmaking by my self and I still have a rank of 25-28. Your rank is low because you aren't as good as other players/teams (ie. suck).

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  • 07.26.2007 9:31 AM PDT
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You should rename it "Cheat because you suck any other way" :P

Just because you can do something doesn't make it ok. The United States could nuke the planet, but because we try to walk the moral path, we don't. Plain and simple... I could also drive my car with my feet, but that doesn't make it a good idea, or LEGAL! :) Cheat in VR fail in Life! :D

  • 07.26.2007 9:54 AM PDT

Freedom of Speech does not equal "Freedom from Consequences when one speaks".

It is a right, and all rights have responsibilities associated with them. Ignore the responsibility, and you tend to lose the right.
Recon Number 54

Posted by: OG Fastforward

1. Connection can have an effect, but even "bad" connections find games that aren't laggy. My ISP, for example, likes to randomly drop my connection and reduce my upload/download rate. I still manage 25-28 (pre-reset mind you, haven't played much since...)


That's exactly what my rank was pre-reset. You're comparing apples and oranges. Your point is?


Posted by: OG Fastforward
3. Your just putting yourself at a disadvantage for not using it. You wouldn't going around using JUST the SMG because you thought the other weapons make the game "unfair." It just doesn't make sense. It's also the same as the combo. It is cheap but it's there to use and if you complain about loosing because of it, it's your fault for not using it.


Your ethics are different than mine, because we come from different generations. I play the game as it was designed, and follow the online rules that Bungie maintains. Perhaps in thirty years, you'll think more like me.


Posted by: OG Fastforward
Your rank is low because you aren't as good as other players/teams (ie. suck).


You told me all I need to know with your last comment.

  • 07.26.2007 9:57 AM PDT

Posted by: Phantom Tulaba
You should rename it "Cheat because you suck any other way" :P

Just because you can do something doesn't make it ok. The United States could nuke the planet, but because we try to walk the moral path, we don't. Plain and simple... I could also drive my car with my feet, but that doesn't make it a good idea, or LEGAL! :) Cheat in VR fail in Life! :D

You have a good point. The only thing is, for doing button glitching, there is NO chance of getting a consequence (as of now anyway). The reason you wouldn't do any of that in real life is because it risks your life and there are consequences.

  • 07.26.2007 9:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: OG Fastforward
Posted by: Phantom Tulaba
You should rename it "Cheat because you suck any other way" :P

Just because you can do something doesn't make it ok. The United States could nuke the planet, but because we try to walk the moral path, we don't. Plain and simple... I could also drive my car with my feet, but that doesn't make it a good idea, or LEGAL! :) Cheat in VR fail in Life! :D

You have a good point. The only thing is, for doing button glitching, there is NO chance of getting a consequence (as of now anyway). The reason you wouldn't do any of that in real life is because it risks your life and there are consequences.



Just because you can get away with something doesn't mean you should do it. By MLG standards players say they glitch because someone else does it to them, but the cycle keeps going until we break the chain. Believe me when H3 comes out and you can use the rating system in XBL to lower a players rep for glitching, then everyone will know that player has no moral backbone.

  • 07.26.2007 10:06 AM PDT

Posted by: B3OWULF
That's exactly what my rank was pre-reset. You're comparing apples and oranges. Your point is?

If you were legitimately that good (or if you didn't rely on your friends to win matches for you), you should have no problem getting that rank again. Nothing has changed in the way of cheaters since the reset. It should be easy to get your rank back up

Posted by: B3OWULF
Your ethics are different than mine, because we come from different generations. I play the game as it was designed, and follow the online rules that Bungie maintains. Perhaps in thirty years, you'll think more like me.

Point taken. Although, my point still stands. Also, my thinking my change in 30 but it should be a big deal, winning/playing video games as it does to you.

Posted by: B3OWULF
You told me all I need to know with your last comment.

I'm glad you just needed to be told. You should take it to heart and get better.[/smart ass]

Posted by: Phantom Tulaba
Just because you can get away with something doesn't mean you should do it. By MLG standards players say they glitch because someone else does it to them, but the cycle keeps going until we break the chain.

It's just one of those things that doesn't have and end. It's a vicious circle. (Your right by the way.) Even though you SHOULDN'T do it. it doesn't stop people from doing it. (Your still right.)

Posted by: Phantom Tulaba
Believe me when H3 comes out and you can use the rating system in XBL to lower a players rep for glitching, then everyone will know that player has no moral backbone.

From experience of my friends and me, no one checks rep except when they need to give rep. Besides, there won't be any glitching suck as button glitching in Halo 3, for a few weeks anyway.

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  • 07.26.2007 10:10 AM PDT

Stupid computer.

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The rep is used by Microsoft when deciding on whether or not to permaban your account for some moderate complaints and/or offenses. If you have a higher Rep, then some Moderate stuff is forgivable, but if you have a very low one, then they are quick to bring down the hammer of God on that BLAM~ing A$$

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I don't really understand seriously why everyone blames button glitches for losing. A teammate of mine doesnt use BxR or Double Shot, and hes one of the best teammates I've ever had and still has the ability (and shows it) to go huge several rounds. Yes, button glitches are a part of the competitive gameing (Topic Starter Never said matchmaking you whiney bastards.),are almost essential and, do help to get what you need done, but anyone who says that they are losing because some kid can double shot or BxR, is lieng to themselves ez. o BTW if you dont believe me I have recorded OpR HyPnoTizE playing
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  • 07.26.2007 10:39 AM PDT

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The people who use button glitches in halo, are the same type, that get all the cheats for a game right from the start. Just so they can brag that they beat it really fast. The older people here have run into that type of people in the workplace as well. They are the kids who show up, can't do anything, but think they should be paid the same as the guy that's been there for 10 years. B3owulf, I have a team that thinks the same as you, and we need a fouth, if interested fr me.

  • 07.26.2007 10:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: mongoliancluster
The people who use button glitches in halo, are the same type, that get all the cheats for a game right from the start. Just so they can brag that they beat it really fast. The older people here have run into that type of people in the workplace as well. They are the kids who show up, can't do anything, but think they should be paid the same as the guy that's been there for 10 years. B3owulf, I have a team that thinks the same as you, and we need a fouth, if interested fr me.


Some people use button glitches in halo, are the same people who are perfectionists and do everything they can to work up the ladder to be the best in the competive gameing scene.(for gods sake we are not talking about matchmaking here!!) Just so they can brag to their friends that they recieved the first tournament check. The older people run into these kind of people in the work place all the time, working overtime, coming up with new ideas, and getting payed three times the amount of the guy who's been there for 10 years. It's called the drive to succede. mongoliancluster you need to realize (even in your presumably old age) that everything isn't always black and white and theres situations where what you say is unfair and illegal may be the opposite somewhere else (like the difference between American and Thai Boxing).

  • 07.26.2007 10:54 AM PDT

Posted by: Phantom Tulaba
The rep is used by Microsoft when deciding on whether or not to permaban your account for some moderate complaints and/or offenses. If you have a higher Rep, then some Moderate stuff is forgivable, but if you have a very low one, then they are quick to bring down the hammer of God on that BLAM~ing A$$

And when was the last time you heard of it actually working?

We should get off of this argument (addressed to EVERYONE) or else this topic will be closed. It is a good topic for those somewhat interested in competitive gaming/Halo 2.

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  • 07.26.2007 11:10 AM PDT
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1. If you have full green bar then your connection is fine. The only exception I think to this rule is if you live in another country.
2. If you were legitimately good then you can get up to level 25-30 by yourself, even more so on double team.
3. Level 15-20s are horrible at button glitching. And there are ways to prevent it; just don't get close to them when they try to bxr you, or when they try either jump up so its ineffective. I doubt you encountered good double shotters at your level and I doubt people at your level even know the obscure glitches like auto reload or quick switch. You shouldn't even need to begin button glitching to win until around level 30.

  • 07.26.2007 11:33 AM PDT
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#3. Is incorrect. I am a level 17 in hardcore and 14 in slayer. Im not much of a fan of ranked games. I CAN button glitch pretty well that doesnt mena i will though. And i am working on getting to 30 in TS and DT.

  • 07.26.2007 11:39 AM PDT
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Halo Is A Game. MLG customs is where its at, if you agree C/P this into your signature

I think I should go to the MLG forums more often seeing how many people who post at bungie are against button glitching and MLG. MLG is the only fair way to play this game, otherwise it is all about who spawns by the weapons. In MLG you can always get the power weapons back and then lose them. But in games with SMG starts, it is just stupid because you can't do anything without a BR. Thank you distraction for supporting MLG :)

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Posted by: GUNNERMANZ
I think I should go to the MLG forums more often seeing how many people who post at bungie are against button glitching and MLG. MLG is the only fair way to play this game, otherwise it is all about who spawns by the weapons. In MLG you can always get the power weapons back and then lose them. But in games with SMG starts, it is just stupid because you can't do anything without a BR. Thank you distraction for supporting MLG :)

QFT. SMG starts prove nothing but the fact that you can pick up a weapon and hold it. BR starts actually give you something to work with, and possibly come back with. Button glitching helps that and gives an advantage against an otherwise abused host. There are no "moral standards" when it comes to competitive gaming, you're right, but there are no morals in gaming. You kill each other for Christ's sake!

  • 07.26.2007 12:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: B3OWULF
3. There is button-glitching going on EVERY SINGLE GAME. I can't win against cheaters when I play by the rules, but I refuse to compromise the correct style of playing to sink to your level. Therefore, my rank stays between 15 and 20. It's nice to win, but I would rather have the satisfaction of playing a game that I otherwise enjoy without exploiting unfair advantages against others who may be playing like me. I don't live my life that way, and play H2 the same way.

You make it seem like button glitches make player invincible. BXR isn't a fool-proof way to kill someone, you have to get within melee distance, and most people can't doubleshot well...so how do button glitchers make you consistently lose games? Is it because maybe they're good enough to win without glitches but choose to use them because they play competitively?

  • 07.26.2007 12:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: mongoliancluster
The people who use button glitches in halo, are the same type, that get all the cheats for a game right from the start. Just so they can brag that they beat it really fast. The older people here have run into that type of people in the workplace as well. They are the kids who show up, can't do anything, but think they should be paid the same as the guy that's been there for 10 years. B3owulf, I have a team that thinks the same as you, and we need a fouth, if interested fr me.


Some people use button glitches in halo, are the same people who are perfectionists and do everything they can to work up the ladder to be the best in the competive gameing scene.(for gods sake we are not talking about matchmaking here!!) Just so they can brag to their friends that they recieved the first tournament check. The older people run into these kind of people in the work place all the time, working overtime, coming up with new ideas, and getting payed three times the amount of the guy who's been there for 10 years. It's called the drive to succede. mongoliancluster you need to realize (even in your presumably old age) that everything isn't always black and white and theres situations where what you say is unfair and illegal may be the opposite somewhere else (like the difference between American and Thai Boxing).


Only in your fantasy world, you know, the one where you smoke your vegatables.

  • 07.26.2007 1:05 PM PDT

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