- Rokit
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Trying something once will increace your chances of success, because you tried it. Try someting twice, and your chances increase yet again - seeing as you've done it. Try something a few thousand times, and your chances of success is exponentially increased; this increase would likely provide success every time
Sorry for the double post. I wouldn't let me post all of it, even though I still had 5 character =\
Posted by: The Kodemyster
There aren't any members who have more privileges than others...
I understand that. It just seems as though some members can get away with far more than others.
Posted by: Rainman89
I must say, since this is about the fortieth "the community will die" proclamation I have read, I have my doubts this one will be any different, and the community will soldier on.
That being said, perhaps it is just these threads that keep the community going. Once someone reads this, they start thinking about the issues it brings up, and might even act differently. So while I won't argue any points, or try to defend a side, I'll just leave with this little question...
Could this community keep lingering on if it weren't for people constantly trying to say it will die soon?
The community will always live on. My only concern is either for the better or the worse, I hope for the better.
Posted by: Kasai
1. No member gets more privileges than others, except for Theme Masters, who only are able to have a unique looking symbol.
2. You will not see very many people banned because they brought something off topic.
3. What in the world are you talking about? Yes there is a warning system, and yes the mods can lean back a little more. But oh well. I would you to name a few of these so called "Special members".
Try not to be so one sided. If you are to present a arguement to the community, show both sisdes.
I am both sided, this is basically just me speaking my mind to the community. And I am beginning to see that my worries of posting this have been realized.
Posted by: twinkiemaker
I dont see the same thing happening.
Even though people who have been here for awhile have developed some sort of comradarie, and in some cases, a respect for other members, it doesnt mean that the typical b.net user is above the law, so to speak.
I can joke with the mods or Achronos or whoever all I want, but beleive me when I tell you that I will still get blacklisted if I step over the line too far.
These forums are the same as anything else in life, if you look hard enough for flaws, you'll find them. These forums arent perfect, the community isnt perfect, Bungie isnt perfect, etc. What we do is try to take the bits and peices that we enjoy and leave the rest on the side.
Edit: This preferential treatment that you think you are observing is just veteran members who have been blacklisted enough to know what they can and can't get away with, in my opinion.
I understand that, hell anyone can joke around with Achronos, the mods, or whoever. Yet, again, it seems like some members can take it further. Twinkie, you know me, and many other members, everyone has had their fair share of bannings. Nobodies perfect.
Posted by: Achronos
I am quite frankly sick and tired of "elitism" arguments.
If you have a specific complaint, make it. Philosophical whining about how things aren't fair does not interest me.
Life isn't fair, and you don't have access to all the warnings, the short bans, the history of accounts, the private messages, etc.
So, again, I say if you have a specific incident, make the complaint to the appropriate master moderator or myself. Otherwise, stop whining about your perceptions. This forum is more concerned with "elitism" than any group I've ever seen, and in most cases it is just silly. Some people are just going to always be elitist, and the rest of us aren't. The elitists will be ignored as usual, so there really isn't a problem other than your perception of what's going on.
I do understand that life isn't fair, and I do as well understand that I do not have access to warning, bans, history of accounts, messages, all the groups, and all that jazz. And you do have a very good point with the elitist bit, they are, and will, be ignored to no end.
Posted by: SS_Zag1
Rokit, let's make this clear first, I have no delusions about who you're referring to and something you claim they've been doing recently. You think because they're 'chummy' with the moderators, they get away with things, act like a jerk, go around running threads right off the rails. Sorry, but that's down-right ridiculous. Obviously people who are better friends with the mods get some leniency on things, but that's pretty much human nature. You treat your friends slightly different than complete strangers.
The moderators are honest guys, nonetheless. When someone does something worth a blacklist, they see to it. I've seen good friends of moderators get blacklisted for posting leaked content and doing things they shouldn't be doing. The moderator was their friend, but they said "Sorry, rules are rules." We all know a good ex-mod who has been blacklisted at least once since he's been off mod-duty.
However, if you think the people you're referring to are getting away with activities they'd normally be blacklisted for, that's just silly. Making a humorous joke in a Septagon thread does not 'derail' the topic. The most derailing thing you could possibly do in such a situation is start an argument about whether or not the comment was derailing. We're all here to have fun, aren't we? Obviously you want to be serious about things when the situation requires it, but a bit of 'goofing off' and some humorous comments (See, many of us find the moderators' and other members' comments humorous, even if you think it's childish and silly) will not hurt the community.
Bungie has always had a bit of humor about it's community. I'd hate to see that die because someone decided that it was too childish and not strict enough.
I understand that some people are friends with the mods, myself included, but again, this is not a direct nor indirect topic towards the mods, this is a topic towards the community. You are correct, I am a serious man, and I too do need a little bit of goofing around once in a while. But derailing a topic is no excuse. To goof around, all you need is a group of friends in a chapter. Then you can goof around all you want.
I am not speaking about a minor joke derailing a topic. I am talking about the entire topic, changing topic. A few that you and I were in, for example. The guy asked for help on a gamertag change. White Raven and myself answered it, then you changed the topic all together. No, this example is not a direct attack at you, but the problem is, is that I see this all the time around the entire community.
Posted by: Achronos
Oh, and by the way, of course the Septagon users are more trusted than the Halo 3 forum. Have you SEEN the Halo 3 forum? Notice how little spam there is in the Septagon forum? And when there is spam, it is almost always from someone who isn't a regular to this forum.
That means that the Septagon regulars have earned the freedom to not always be on topic, to stretch the rules a bit. The Halo 3 forum, on the other hand, is regularly spammed by its own regulars, making stupid posts, flamewars, etc. Many of those regulars behave like small children, and thus will be treated as such until they figure out that kind of behavior isn't tolerated.
You don't get to define the community. It defines itself. I suggest you step out of your fantasy world. Everyhting is not equal. The same standards do not apply to each forum, because the sub-community around each is different. Suggesting otherwise ignores the reality of the community as it has defined itself.
I have, indeed, seen the Halo 3 Forum. And I do understand that the Septagon does, and should, have far more trust then the Halo 3 Forum due to the differences. Yet, I still don't believe the rules should be so stretched. I do admit, the Septagon is very laid back, and it is a great place to hang out. It just seems like things could be stricter here and there. Not everywhere of course, but just a small bit.