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So, a LOT of people think that Halo 3 is the end of Halo altogether. Even the official trailer states "This is how the world ends". Anyways, bungie is planning on bringing out a book AFTER the Halo 3 game. It will be about the events that occur AFTER Halo 3. I'm quite interested actually. I think I might grab a copy after I buy Ghosts of Onyx and finish reading it. Read more about it here (not much to read actually):
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161388

  • 07.27.2007 2:04 AM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are. You are destiny.

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So, a LOT of people think that Halo 3 is the end of Halo altogether. Even the official trailer states "This is how the world ends". Anyways, bungie is planning on bringing out a book AFTER the Halo 3 game. It will be about the events that occur AFTER Halo 3. I'm quite interested actually. I think I might grab a copy after I buy Ghosts of Onyx and finish reading it. Read more about it here (not much to read actually):
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161388
You CLEARLY know nothing of the Halo timeline.

Harvest was the first colony glassed by the covenant, plus humanity's first contact at all with the alien race(s). In fact, it takes place in the year 2525, when John (Chief) was but 14 years old. By the way, if you need me to hold your hand too, the story emphazises on Avery Johnson's experience during the first encounter with the Covenant.

  • 07.27.2007 8:41 AM PDT

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Isn't the battle of Harvest when the UNSC sent out their entire fleet, and won but lost 2/3rds of it? And, I can't remember how many cruisers they went up against, I know it was a very small number though.

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They fought EXACTLY 1 Covenant Destroyer and they sent out 3 ships two destroyer and a crusier

  • 07.27.2007 10:24 AM PDT

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Oh, thought it was a cruiser. But, I was sure that Admiral Cole sent out his entire fleet to take back Harvest.

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Posted by: Beowul7
You CLEARLY know nothing of the Halo timeline.


Sorry my apologies, I do know about the Halo timeline I have read all books except Ghosts of onyx. I just skinned through that website and must of missread it. I was pretty sure it had said it continues after the Halo 3 game. My bad.


Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Isn't the battle of Harvest when the UNSC sent out their entire fleet, and won but lost 2/3rds of it? And, I can't remember how many cruisers they went up against, I know it was a very small number though.


Nope.

If I remember correctly (from first Halo book), the UNSC was waiting for a reply from a ship they had sent out on a mission or something. When that Ship did not report back, the UNSC became worried and sent out 3 of their cruisers. You really have to read the first halo book, because this fight scene was quite good. In all our attempt we didn't even manage to wipe out the covernants ships shields. But we still manage to cripple the covernant ship pretty badly. I'm guessing that the gel like shield is flexible and the amount of force from the bullets fired from the MAC cannon was strong enough to flex the shields and still hit the covernants ships hull. The covernants ship bent (literally) but was still quite maneuverable. Not sure if this was a different battle scene cause I haven't read the book in a while, but they end up sending a few spartans onboard the covernant ship. The spartans realized that the covernants shields where still up and had to figure a way to get onboard. While the Master Chief was figuring this out, the covernants fired another plasma bolt at one of the UNSC ships. Just before it fired, the covernants shields where lowered (this becomes one of the covernants weakness later on). Anyways he gets onboard through a massive hole one the the UNSC MAC cannon inflicted on the ship and so on. Read the book, lol.

Can anybody tell me when Ghosts of Onyx is set? I remember reading that one of the surviving Spartans (not master chief) became a trainer for a new group of super soldiers. So I'm guessing that it takes place after the Halo 3 game?

  • 07.27.2007 10:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: Beowul7
You CLEARLY know nothing of the Halo timeline.


Sorry my apologies, I do know about the Halo timeline I have read all books except Ghosts of onyx. I just skinned through that website and must of missread it. I was pretty sure it had said it continues after the Halo 3 game. My bad.


Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Isn't the battle of Harvest when the UNSC sent out their entire fleet, and won but lost 2/3rds of it? And, I can't remember how many cruisers they went up against, I know it was a very small number though.


Nope.

If I remember correctly (from first Halo book), the UNSC was waiting for a reply from a ship they had sent out on a mission or something. When that Ship did not report back, the UNSC became worried and sent out 3 of their cruisers. You really have to read the first halo book, because this fight scene was quite good. In all our attempt we didn't even manage to wipe out the covernants ships shields. But we still manage to cripple the covernant ship pretty badly. I'm guessing that the gel like shield is flexible and the amount of force from the bullets fired from the MAC cannon was strong enough to flex the shields and still hit the covernants ships hull. The covernants ship bent (literally) but was still quite maneuverable. Not sure if this was a different battle scene cause I haven't read the book in a while, but they end up sending a few spartans onboard the covernant ship. The spartans realized that the covernants shields where still up and had to figure a way to get onboard. While the Master Chief was figuring this out, the covernants fired another plasma bolt at one of the UNSC ships. Just before it fired, the covernants shields where lowered (this becomes one of the covernants weakness later on). Anyways he gets onboard through a massive hole one the the UNSC MAC cannon inflicted on the ship and so on. Read the book, lol.

Can anybody tell me when Ghosts of Onyx is set? I remember reading that one of the surviving Spartans (not master chief) became a trainer for a new group of super soldiers. So I'm guessing that it takes place after the Halo 3 game?
No, that´s the encounter at Chi Ceti 4. You started off well by the way. The UNSC sent a cruiser to inspect the situation. That little cruiser did not report in back, so they got worried. They sent three cruisers to handle the ominous situation. They dispatched Admiral Cole, the creator of the Cole Protocol. He managed to come back, and his ship very much damaged, and that took him weeks. It is then explained in the book that Cole fights again with the Covenant, thus winning because of having 3 times as much ships as the Covenant in the battle. However, he losses 2/3 of hsi fleet in the process. I believe it is explained in the first chapter of the third section, already in the year 2552. In the chaper at the remote Archimedes Outpost where Ensign Lovell stays on patrol and makes his report on Slipspace. You mixed it up.

By the way, just as you said, "read the book lol".

  • 07.27.2007 2:34 PM PDT

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Yeah, I've read it but it was a while back, and seeing as how I lost my book, if I forget something, I have to rely on wikipedia. :/

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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Yeah, I've read it but it was a while back, and seeing as how I lost my book, if I forget something, I have to rely on wikipedia. :/


Hehe, yea, I read the books early last year, and have forgotten a fair bit. I only read the books to get a slightly better understanding of the Halo universe. Got a little tired of the halo fan boys who thought they knew everything about the Halo universe just because they finished the game a hundred times but haven't read the books. Now I can ask them questions and laugh at them while they make up crap :-)

  • 07.27.2007 4:02 PM PDT

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Haha, well, I read mine about 2-3 years ago, and lost it about 2-3 years ago. lol

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Why does Halo remind me of Noah's Ark?
The Flood
The Ark
The Storm where they killed the Heretic leader
All we need is a guy named Noah

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  • 07.27.2007 4:09 PM PDT

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Believe it or not Halo seems to be very intiwined with religion, just listen to some of the things Gravemind says. Don't forget the cortana letters (sure it is debatable. But I remember Gravemind saying "I was there at the tomb", and lots of other things. Could just be my mind playing tricks on me though.

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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Believe it or not Halo seems to be very intiwined with religion, just listen to some of the things Gravemind says. Don't forget the cortana letters (sure it is debatable. But I remember Gravemind saying "I was there at the tomb", and lots of other things. Could just be my mind playing tricks on me though.


Screw religion, I just play the game because it has a nice story line, and I like fast paced action games where I can blow things up :-)

Anyways, I sort of have a question about Halo 2, if anybody is still reading this thread. The Covenant don't exactly advance much in technology, they simply steal technology from alien races that they have conquered, than reverse engineer it to their own advantage. At the start of Halo 2 when you go for the energy shield test, the guy says that the shielding system on your new armor is superior to the Covenant shielding technology that we used for the old armor in Halo 1. How come the Arbitor's shields are exactly the same as the Master Chiefs, yet the Arbitors armor is generations older than the recent Elite armor?

  • 07.27.2007 5:36 PM PDT
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Both sides want to build your confidence up even though they know your messed over big time?

  • 07.27.2007 6:15 PM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are. You are destiny.

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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Believe it or not Halo seems to be very intiwined with religion, just listen to some of the things Gravemind says. Don't forget the cortana letters (sure it is debatable. But I remember Gravemind saying "I was there at the tomb", and lots of other things. Could just be my mind playing tricks on me though.


Screw religion, I just play the game because it has a nice story line, and I like fast paced action games where I can blow things up :-)

Anyways, I sort of have a question about Halo 2, if anybody is still reading this thread. The Covenant don't exactly advance much in technology, they simply steal technology from alien races that they have conquered, than reverse engineer it to their own advantage. At the start of Halo 2 when you go for the energy shield test, the guy says that the shielding system on your new armor is superior to the Covenant shielding technology that we used for the old armor in Halo 1. How come the Arbitor's shields are exactly the same as the Master Chiefs, yet the Arbitors armor is generations older than the recent Elite armor?
By the way, they don't steal the technology from alien races conquered. All of their lasers, ships, types of alloys, plus their belief on the rings (Halos) are Forunner, not Sanheillii nor from any other species. Well, except the Forunners made the rings not on religious belief, but to study the flood and contain them. Thus making the monitors of each installation to keep everything functioning.

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Posted by: Beowul7
By the way, they don't steal the technology from alien races conquered. All of their lasers, ships, types of alloys, plus their belief on the rings (Halos) are Forunner, not Sanheillii nor from any other species. Well, except the Forunners made the rings not on religious belief, but to study the flood and contain them. Thus making the monitors of each installation to keep everything functioning.


I can debate that. First of all you are correct about the technology etc being Forunner (except the alloy). But you got to remember, it's not Covenant technology, and I highly doubt the Forunners gave them permission to use their technology (so technically its stolen). Not to mention that it has been reverse engineered to the Covenant advantage. Also it states in the Halo book, not directly, but if you understand, the Covenant take all that could be used effectively against them and reverse engineer it to their own advantage. And the Covenant AI is a perfect example of that, they stole that technology from us, although their AI is extremely buggy and unstable, but it still works and can be used against our AI.

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in most if not all of the boks,multiple people say that t covenant are immitative rather than innovtive.

  • 07.27.2007 9:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Beowul7
By the way, they don't steal the technology from alien races conquered. All of their lasers, ships, types of alloys, plus their belief on the rings (Halos) are Forunner, not Sanheillii nor from any other species. Well, except the Forunners made the rings not on religious belief, but to study the flood and contain them. Thus making the monitors of each installation to keep everything functioning.


I can debate that. First of all you are correct about the technology etc being Forunner (except the alloy). But you got to remember, it's not Covenant technology, and I highly doubt the Forunners gave them permission to use their technology (so technically its stolen). Not to mention that it has been reverse engineered to the Covenant advantage. Also it states in the Halo book, not directly, but if you understand, the Covenant take all that could be used effectively against them and reverse engineer it to their own advantage. And the Covenant AI is a perfect example of that, they stole that technology from us, although their AI is extremely buggy and unstable, but it still works and can be used against our AI.
Dude, they took the Forunner technology BILLIONS of years after they're gone. Seriously, how could they ask for permission? What the -blam!-? You make no sense at all. By the way, yes, true, they made their own A.I. No big deal. The Hunters, Grunts, Jackals, Brutes, Drones, none of them made any weapons of which they wield now. After all, the Forunners made shield technology, plasma and laser as well. The Brute rifle is only a modification that Brutes made to the original Plasma rifle wield by the Sangheillii.

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Posted by: Beowul7
Dude, they took the Forunner technology BILLIONS of years after they're gone. Seriously, how could they ask for permission? What the -blam!-? You make no sense at all. By the way, yes, true, they made their own A.I. No big deal. The Hunters, Grunts, Jackals, Brutes, Drones, none of them made any weapons of which they wield now. After all, the Forunners made shield technology, plasma and laser as well. The Brute rifle is only a modification that Brutes made to the original Plasma rifle wield by the Sangheillii.


Isn't it more like 800,000 years (think it was mentioned in 2nd Halo book), not billions of years. And the Covenant didn't make their own AI, they simply altered and reverse engineered our AI (think the information is in 3rd Halo book). And yes, the Covenant have taken some of the technology from the Forunners, but the weaponry and armor have been reversed engineered (you do know what reverse engineering is don't you?). I highly doubt that the Forunner had armor that perfectly fitted the Elites and have super alloy shields perfectly fitted for the Hunters (not to mention the Hunters fuel rod cannon attached to their arm), and the Jackels shield perfectly fitted for them. Can't say much for the design for the weapons except they seem to fit the Covenant a lot better than us.

  • 07.27.2007 10:40 PM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are. You are destiny.

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Posted by: Beowul7
Dude, they took the Forunner technology BILLIONS of years after they're gone. Seriously, how could they ask for permission? What the -blam!-? You make no sense at all. By the way, yes, true, they made their own A.I. No big deal. The Hunters, Grunts, Jackals, Brutes, Drones, none of them made any weapons of which they wield now. After all, the Forunners made shield technology, plasma and laser as well. The Brute rifle is only a modification that Brutes made to the original Plasma rifle wield by the Sangheillii.


Isn't it more like 800,000 years (think it was mentioned in 2nd Halo book), not billions of years. And the Covenant didn't make their own AI, they simply altered and reverse engineered our AI (think the information is in 3rd Halo book). And yes, the Covenant have taken some of the technology from the Forunners, but the weaponry and armor have been reversed engineered (you do know what reverse engineering is don't you?). I highly doubt that the Forunner had armor that perfectly fitted the Elites and have super alloy shields perfectly fitted for the Hunters (not to mention the Hunters fuel rod cannon attached to their arm), and the Jackels shield perfectly fitted for them. Can't say much for the design for the weapons except they seem to fit the Covenant a lot better than us.
Nope, not at all. The weapons technology was already the Forerunners, the Covenant just made it fit for their troops. With the different materials owned by the Forurnners they made the armour for their troops themselves, yes. As about the A.I, they copied and studied our A.I technology, thus finally making their own. No, I do not know what Reverse Engineering is, after all, this is not my first langauge and I do my best to know as much as I can. I repeat myself, the Forunners made the technology, but the Covenant made it fit for themselves. Damn, is it so hard to explain that? Because it does seem so.

By the way, how did this discussion turn into technology all the way from events? 0_o

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Posted by: Beowul7
Nope, not at all. The weapons technology was already the Forerunners, the Covenant just made it fit for their troops. With the different materials owned by the Forurnners they made the armour for their troops themselves, yes. As about the A.I, they copied and studied our A.I technology, thus finally making their own. No, I do not know what Reverse Engineering is, after all, this is not my first langauge and I do my best to know as much as I can
I apologize, didn't know that your 1st language was not English. Reverse engineering is basically "As about the A.I, they copied and studied our A.I technology, thus finally making their own". It's the capture of another technology that doesn't belong to you, copying and studying the technology to get a better understanding of it, than using that knowledge to create that same technology "differently" so it will benefit them. Which is what I'm trying to say the Covenant did with the Forunner technology, but you keep disagreeing until you said "I repeat myself, the Forunners made the technology, but the Covenant made it fit for themselves", which is what I've been trying to say.

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By the way, how did this discussion turn into technology all the way from events? 0_o
It started when I asked a question, but did not get an answer, so if you don't mind, I'll ask again:

I sort of have a question about Halo 2, if anybody is still reading this thread. The Covenant don't exactly advance much in technology, they simply took the technology from the Forunner (and perhaps other races), than reverse engineered it to their own advantage. At the start of Halo 2 when you go for the energy shield test, the guy says that the shielding system on your new armor is superior to the Covenant shielding technology that we used for the old armor in Halo 1. How come the Arbitor's shields are exactly the same as the Master Chiefs, yet the Arbitors armor is generations older than the recent Elite armor?

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The answer is that it's for gameplay purposes... and as the arbiter's armor is sacred it might be more powerful than the mass-produced shield generators of other elites. Besides, standard elite shielding is the same as the Chief's so the armory master was probably just spewing propaganda (were you playing on easy?)

Also guys, regarding the Halo story discussion, the Hunter's had armor before they encountered the Prophets/Forerunner tech. Perhaps the hunters originated on a Forerunner world and maybe the armor was created for them. And not all of their tech came from the forerunners I think, some was assimilated from the other races. Only the Prophets have no original technology.

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The answer is that it's for gameplay purposes... and as the arbiter's armor is sacred it might be more powerful than the mass-produced shield generators of other elites. Besides, standard elite shielding is the same as the Chief's so the armory master was probably just spewing propaganda (were you playing on easy?)
Nah, gameplay was on Heroic. Your probably right about the Arbitor having stronger shields, but on the 3rd level, one of the elites states that the Arbitors active camouflage will not last as long as theirs, due to the Arbitors armor being outdated. I think they may have rushed Halo 2 a little to much, They could have improved the game a lot. The game doesn't really make sense, well the storyline may, but the technological advances don't.

Posted by: Ryanman7Also guys, regarding the Halo story discussion, the Hunter's had armor before they encountered the Prophets/Forerunner tech. Perhaps the hunters originated on a Forerunner world and maybe the armor was created for them. And not all of their tech came from the forerunners I think, some was assimilated from the other races. Only the Prophets have no original technology.

Didn't know that about the Hunters, but I did know about the Covenant having some sort of technology from races they have conquered and/or joined forces with.

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When the Elite is offered to be the Arbitor, they mention something about 'The taming of the Hunters' which makes them sound... pretty stupid.
Near the end on the last level when you go through the door from the beach to try to move to the Scarab, an elite says something to the effect of "It's the Arbitor. I thought he was dead. Hold your fire! The hunters have decided to fight by our side."
Are they stupid or sentient?

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When the Elite is offered to be the Arbitor, they mention something about 'The taming of the Hunters' which makes them sound... pretty stupid.
Near the end on the last level when you go through the door from the beach to try to move to the Scarab, an elite says something to the effect of "It's the Arbitor. I thought he was dead. Hold your fire! The hunters have decided to fight by our side."
Are they stupid or sentient?
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Respectful but authoritative commanders, Elites rarely fail to elicit a strong bond of loyalty with their troops: it was noted that Elite Arbiters suppressed the Grunt Rebellion and tamed the Hunters, and these two races remain faithful to the Elite when they are cast out of the Covenant.

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