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I put a rather provacative sounding title to this thread merely because I know... that's what'll happen. With that said, though, I'd like to get just one thing straight. These words haven't an ounce of hatred towards Bungie or anyone in them and have no intent of insulting or bashing the people of these forums (so to anyone reading this who feels any of the above mentioned things... sod off).

Not twenty minutes ago I was reading a very interesting thread that dealt with the prospect of the third Halo game failing in the ability to satisfy gamers. It was posted in the Halo 3 Forum, it was pertinent with Halo 3, and there wasn't an air of hatred in his words. It is quite understandable that after playing Beta and seeing campaign trailers, people will have developed an impression on how the game is doing and it is quite reasonable that people might find certain aspects of the game questionable or even downright bad. I, in fact, found the poll to be very thoughtful. The author was actually looking at the game through a very interesting perspective: "How could this game fail?" A perspective that I pray the fine people at Bungie viewed through before even slapping a release date on their product.

Why was this thread locked? I hate to point fingers and sling slam words at people but it seemed like Bungie acted a little fascistically. I mean... I can understand locking up threads that are made for the pure purpose of pissing people off, but this guy didn't even slam anybody! He didn't even write an opinion of his owne! He just wanted our thougts. Is it that taboo that we even contemplate the possibility that ... maybe Bungie didn't make a perfect game (said in whisper). Maybe I missed something that he might have written. Perhaps Bungies true reasons ellude my pea-sized brain but their actions seemed very closed- minded. Of course I may misunderstand. I might have missed the "Overzealous Fanboys Only" sign but I thought the whole idea of a FORUM was to discuss new ideas and concepts.

What three thoughts that'll make it in before this thread is closed will be greatly appreciated. At least I'll get some sample (however small it is) of how the other people on this forum feel.



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  • 07.29.2007 10:04 PM PDT
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Link to the thread maybe?

  • 07.29.2007 10:14 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

I don't know what thread you're talking about, but if it was the one entitled "How will Halo 3 fail?" it was obviousily trolling. I didn't lock it, but I did open it to see why it was locked. When I opened it, there was nno real content to it. Just a poll about the things the OP didn't like about Halo2. Portions of it were inflamitiry, and it was just not needed.

  • 07.29.2007 10:15 PM PDT
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I really don't know how to do that. It was titled something like... "Ways Halo 3 could fall flat on its face". It sounds bad at first but he really didn't give any opinion of his owne. He just "wanted what we thought" and he had like campaign, weapons, vehicles, story, etc. listed in a poll. Really it just struck me as a place to contemplate possible flaws in the game. There wasn't even a hint of bashing.

  • 07.29.2007 10:19 PM PDT
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http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=12013433&p ostRepeater1-p=2n


There ( I think).


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  • 07.29.2007 10:20 PM PDT

I hate everything, but it's not my fault.

I thought it was a pointless post (we currently know very little about Halo 3, so how can you possibly say anything about its failure) with not much actual content and would almost certainly lead to a flame-fest. It was already starting to burn in flames when I locked it.
As a side-point, people who think Halo 3 will be perfect are going to be extremely disappointed, which is going to lead to a very angry forum. :(

  • 07.29.2007 10:34 PM PDT
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The original poster did not supply much in the way of actual content for his thread. After that it became a flame-fest so any actual discussion would most likely be drowned out. I suppose some mod felt that the thread was beyond help and figured he'd prevent any more flames being tossed at the thread starter and locked the thread.

Ugh, too tired to keep up.

[Edited on 07.29.2007 10:41 PM PDT]

  • 07.29.2007 10:40 PM PDT
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There is actually a lot of content on which to base a pre-launch analysis of how the game is doing. The thread had potential and there were actually a few genuine comments. The thread could have also been used to discuss concepts as well (possibilities for the game that were not yet known to be in it or not). A good example could be say... the introduction of a fan-thought-up vehicle. There were indeed many things relevent to the opening statement that could have been discussed.


Editt: To the last poster,

I could read through the flame. And I was very interested.

On a sidenote, I try to stay composed but every now and then I loose it. Actually monkey-$h!t-fights can be fun once in a while. A little emotion doesn't mean you have to lock up the thread.

P.S.
He supplied sufficient content in his opening statement to start a genuine discussion.


[Edited on 07.29.2007 10:50 PM PDT]

  • 07.29.2007 10:44 PM PDT
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I don't know, really.
It was called "Top reasons for Halo 3 falling flat on its face." That statement alone makes it seem like the game will fall flat on its face.

But the real problem was the body of the post. The OP didn't state...anything. He didn't even give the poll option of "the game won't fall flat on its face."
I can clearly see what he was going for, but it's not clear.

If he had asked:
If Halo 3 fell flat on its face, what would most likely be the reason for it?
and explained that while we don't know everything about Halo 3, and while he doesn't hate Halo 3 and it's probably not destined to fail, it still would be interesting to see what others would think that its downfall might be,

then it might have been an interesting topic.

The way it was, though, not many people saw that meaning because of poor wording, and it was just egging on the flamers. Plus, if the amount of people who want to flood your thread with spam is that much greater than the amount of people who try to contribute meaningfully to the thread, then the thread probably isn't a benefit to keep open. Despite the real meaning, it would've just turned into pages of spam and flames.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Threads about other threads make my head spin.


This thread is especially fun, because it is called "Just lock up the thread" but complains about why a thread was locked up.

  • 07.30.2007 12:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Threads about other threads make my head spin.

This thread is especially fun, because it is called "Just lock up the thread" but complains about why a thread was locked up.

Now you're just trying to make me dizzy.

I just read "Recon Num--" and got dizzy.

  • 07.30.2007 12:18 AM PDT
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Yeah. I noted the poor phrasing too and that was initially why I entered the thread The word reason, while technically correct, gives the impression that he's actually rooting for the game to fail. However, once he said, "...I just wanted to know what you thought," I interpereted it to be asking what could make it fail. He didn't give the option of saying that it won't because that's not the point of the thread. The point (that I got out of it) was to examine possible nuances that could potentially hinder the games playability. It is hard to tell exactly what the author was thinking but all I know is I didn't see any reason to lock it up.

I look back at my title and I realize it doesn't even convey the message that I thought it would (which wasn't even the message that I initially was going for). It should be "this"; not "the". It was a bit of sarcasm aimed at the admins, telling them to just lock up this thread. Typo; my bad. -DELETE -REDO

I really don't mind hanging on this one case but I had sort of intended this thread to be a place to discuss, overall, people's thoughts about how Bungie goes about moderating this thread. The whole point of the initial post was that Bungie seemed to keep things on an awfully short leash. I know I run the risk of getting my head bitten off by people telling me to just go to another forum if I don't like it. I'm well aware of my liberties to do so and Bungie's liberties to regulate their forums however they like. But I like the idea of being on the official Bungie forums and I was just wondering how other people felt about the matter.

  • 07.30.2007 12:33 AM PDT
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If someone thinks Halo 3 will suck, let them think it, but the thread will be locked eventually for flaming -- after all, this is a Halo-based site, which means lots of Halo fans. I strongly believe that the person saying Halo 3 will suck needs to actually play the whole, complete game through before deciding.

I personally think Halo 3 will be great -- E3 2007 graphics were a bit of a let down, but for me it was just getting used to.

  • 07.30.2007 12:48 AM PDT
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All this time I've been adding in terms of uncertainty. I cannot say that this person had no intentions of bashing Halo 3 but that was not how I interpreted it. I've never claimed to know exactly what the person was intending but I couldn't sense any outright blatant bashing or insulting of Bungie or its game. Had he came in asking for a show of hands who was hoping Halo 3 sucked, I could see locking up his thread. He was asking for reasons why it might; almost as if he was asking for predictions. There was some flaming in the thread by responders but that was in response to what they thought was a bashing of Halo 3. They were just being their normal diehard fanboy selves; you can't fault them for that.

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  • 07.30.2007 1:04 AM PDT

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If the intent of the thread is unclear, then it "phails" lukems's clean-up campaign for the Halo 3 forum. Lockage.

If it's a troll/inflamatory post, then it's against the forum rules. Lockage.

I fail to see how any moderator could have left it unlocked.

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  • 07.30.2007 5:56 AM PDT
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Thread hijack time.

Topic Change: Moderators locking topics that they deem to have "run their course".

I have no problem with the mods locking tossmongering threads like the one mentioned, however, over the last couple of weeks, i've seen a bunch of threads locked that didn't break any rules at all. Best example is this one. Sure, it was originally a poorly veiled attempt at posting "look at me, i want to be a mod," but towards the end of the thread, a couple of good valid points were raised.

Then, suddenly, we have Pezza making an inflammatory comment, basically saying most of b.net's regular posters are worthless scum, then, closes the thread. Why? The thread broke no rules and several people still wanted to respond. This is, after all, a forum. It is a place to air opinions and discuss. Why should a moderator (especially after making such a misguided comment) dictate to us which conversations we can and can't have? Again, the thread broke no rules. Just because Pezza thought it ran its course doesn't mean it actually had.

  • 07.30.2007 7:10 AM PDT

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That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
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Then, suddenly, we have Pezza making an inflammatory comment, basically saying most of b.net's regular posters are worthless scum, then, closes the thread. Why? The thread broke no rules and several people still wanted to respond. This is, after all, a forum. It is a place to air opinions and discuss. Why should a moderator (especially after making such a misguided comment) dictate to us which conversations we can and can't have? Again, the thread broke no rules. Just because Pezza thought it ran its course doesn't mean it actually had.

This isnt anything new. Mods have always locked threads that have run their course.

As for Pezzas comments, I dont see how you take what he said as a general flame at the majority of the Community. He said that there were a few non-mods that he would trust to be moderators and even then, one of those he wasnt sure about. I usually give your posts a little more weight elmicker, but if you can sit there and honestly say with a straight face that a majority of Bungie.net users would make good moderators, then I'll have to re-think that.

  • 07.30.2007 8:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sangeili Warrior
I put a rather provacative sounding title to this thread merely because I know... that's what'll happen. With that said, though, I'd like to get just one thing straight. These words haven't an ounce of hatred towards Bungie or anyone in them and have no intent of insulting or bashing the people of these forums (so to anyone reading this who feels any of the above mentioned things... sod off).

Not twenty minutes ago I was reading a very interesting thread that dealt with the prospect of the third Halo game failing in the ability to satisfy gamers. It was posted in the Halo 3 Forum, it was pertinent with Halo 3, and there wasn't an air of hatred in his words. It is quite understandable that after playing Beta and seeing campaign trailers, people will have developed an impression on how the game is doing and it is quite reasonable that people might find certain aspects of the game questionable or even downright bad. I, in fact, found the poll to be very thoughtful. The author was actually looking at the game through a very interesting perspective: "How could this game fail?" A perspective that I pray the fine people at Bungie viewed through before even slapping a release date on their product.

Why was this thread locked? I hate to point fingers and sling slam words at people but it seemed like Bungie acted a little fascistically. I mean... I can understand locking up threads that are made for the pure purpose of pissing people off, but this guy didn't even slam anybody! He didn't even write an opinion of his owne! He just wanted our thougts. Is it that taboo that we even contemplate the possibility that ... maybe Bungie didn't make a perfect game (said in whisper). Maybe I missed something that he might have written. Perhaps Bungies true reasons ellude my pea-sized brain but their actions seemed very closed- minded. Of course I may misunderstand. I might have missed the "Overzealous Fanboys Only" sign but I thought the whole idea of a FORUM was to discuss new ideas and concepts.

What three thoughts that'll make it in before this thread is closed will be greatly appreciated. At least I'll get some sample (however small it is) of how the other people on this forum feel.

I really fail to see any merit at all in this thread -- it was blatant trolling, and there was not a single interesting response except for yours, which occurred at the end of the thread, long after the thread had been lost to spam and flames.

This unfortunate downfall of a potentially interesting thread could have been avoided by the original poster if he had provided some support or content in the original post. There was none, and I join the opinions of others who agree that the thread deserved to be locked.

On this note, I am beginning to get sick of people in the Halo 3 forum simply posting one-liner questions. That is not a good way to start a topic, and it often sets the tone for the entire thread. One sentence topics receive one sentence answers, and suddenly you have a first page filled with 25 posts containing a total of 60 words combined.

To any regulars of the Halo 3 forum who happen to read this: please do not try to "get a discussion started" by posting a one-sentence question or comment. Put some thought into your post. Give us a theory, or an opinion, or a hypothesis with support. Well-thought-out original posts lead to far better threads than the type of post that THIS thread is complaining about being locked.

Posted by: elmicker
Thread hijack time.

Topic Change: Moderators locking topics that they deem to have "run their course".
To Elmicker -- you should start a new thread about this rather than trying to hijack another thread and take it WAYYYY off-topic. Organic conversation is the nature of the Septagon, but it seems like this is not even tenuously related to the original topic. Moreover, it seems like something that has been bothering you for awhile.... why not begin a new thread?

[Edited on 07.30.2007 8:27 AM PDT]

  • 07.30.2007 8:17 AM PDT

Fight hard, break bones >{o

well this thread is about a mod locking a thread for a bad reason. its obvious the example provided was the main focus but this thread isnt really specified. plus the reason for the thread being locked was clearly explained at the very beggining by the mod who locked it. so why not go onto other instances?

and i've seen mods say things i would never expect, but i can see why. if i had to deal with public forum goers nonstop (especially the Halo 3 forum) i would flame people on occasion too. heck i flame people in groups as it is (though not too badly and only those who deserve it). but i've never seen a mod do anything outrageous. and any thread being locked can have merit simply by the pure fact a thread almost duplicate has been made before. this site isnt like the Forza 2 forums or IGN forums or any other; this place is so used that its almost impossible to even create an original thread. besides its not as if anyone uses the search feature to try to avoid repeat topics.

  • 07.30.2007 9:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: twinkiemaker
This isnt anything new. Mods have always locked threads that have run their course.


Yes, but it seems to be becoming more and more common, and in this case, it was a thread that still had some potential, and at least 3 people i talked to wanted to respond to it. Aside from that - it was more the manner of the closing, the way an inflammatory comment was made (after saying the thread was over), and then the thread closed. It's a nit i've picked with moderators before, and more than one of them have PMs in their inboxes from me about it. By Pezza making an on-topic statement, the thread had obviously not "run its course" and so, it probably shouldn't have been locked.

As for Pezzas comments, I dont see how you take what he said as a general flame at the majority of the Community. He said that there were a few non-mods that he would trust to be moderators and even then, one of those he wasnt sure about.

No, what he said was that he trusted 3 members of the community, and even one of those he didnt really trust. If he can't warrant even an ounce of trust for more than 3 (out of tens of thousands), then why is he here? By stating that the rest of us are all untrustworthy, he's stating that he automatically disbelieves everything we say, and automatically puts any of our opinions in his little box of bull-blam!-. There were no modifiers such as "i would only trust 3 members as moderators" it was, and i quote, "I trust about three non-mods". Pezza doesn't trust us - nice of him. I mean, we're all obviously rabid spammers not worthy of even being talked to.

I usually give your posts a little more weight elmicker, but if you can sit there and honestly say with a straight face that a majority of Bungie.net users would make good moderators, then I'll have to re-think that.

No, that's not what i mean. I trust most people in this community, but all to varying degrees. However, out of those, at most, i could think of 30 who i would trust to be empowered as moderators. Don't think i'm so moronic as to trust the majority of the community to that level.

WAYYYY off-topic.

Way off topic would be talking about a totally unrelated subject, such as how much i like pie (not very much). This is me raising an issue of moderators locking threads that didn't need to be locked, in a thread about moderators unexpectedly locking threads. Its very much on topic.

[Edited on 07.30.2007 9:09 AM PDT]

  • 07.30.2007 9:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: elmicker
WAYYYY off-topic.

Way off topic would be talking about a totally unrelated subject, such as how much i like pie (not very much). This is me raising an issue of moderators locking threads that didn't need to be locked, in a thread about moderators unexpectedly locking threads. Its very much on topic.

It was totally unrelated. If it were "on topic" as you claim, you yourself would not have called it a "thread hijack" and a "topic change."

The thread is not about moderator judgment, as your topic change is. This thread is about whether "Bungie" is being "close-minded." Read the first post again -- the poster doesn't even mention moderators. I am not sure that the thread creator even understands that moderators are not Bungie employees.

In short, the thread creator was writing about whether a thread criticizing Bungie should be locked or allowed for open discussion. Your topic is about whether moderators should be making their own decisions about when a thread has "run its course." These are clearly different topics, and the subsequent responses to your question -- which have little to do with the original topic -- serve as proof.

Yours is a very interesting question and one about which I have a few thoughts of my own. But I do not think that this is the appropriate thread to promulgate them in.

  • 07.30.2007 9:18 AM PDT

Fight hard, break bones >{o

actually he said the thread shouldnt have been locked becuase it didnt criticize bungie it simply asked what could be criticized (or that was his view of it)

it simply looked as if it did.

you both are way off-topic and need to calm down.

[Edited on 07.30.2007 9:22 AM PDT]

  • 07.30.2007 9:21 AM PDT

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Why was your thread locked? Simple. You can end this pointless and long debate.

Your thread "half-broke" a rule, it wasn't clear which side of the fence you were on. Were you making an invidious post solely to tick the community off or did you want to simply start a discussion on why the game might not live up to expectations?

This is the hardest kind of content or anything in life for that matter, to deal with. Well, a moderator's job is to draw the line, somewhere, and deal with it. In the eyes of Ghandi, he found it inappropriate so he appropriately took the necessary steps where he saw fit. Every action doesn't always fit nicely into place; we're not playing with Tetris blocks here.

One of the most challenging duties of a person in command is to make a final decision when content and rules don't exactly always line up.

Posted by: Sangeili Warrior
Why was this thread locked? I hate to point fingers and sling slam words at people but it seemed like Bungie acted a little fascistically. I mean... I can understand locking up threads that are made for the pure purpose of pissing people off, but this guy didn't even slam anybody! He didn't even write an opinion of his owne! He just wanted our thougts. Is it that taboo that we even contemplate the possibility that ... maybe Bungie didn't make a perfect game (said in whisper). Maybe I missed something that he might have written. Perhaps Bungies true reasons ellude my pea-sized brain but their actions seemed very closed- minded. Of course I may misunderstand. I might have missed the "Overzealous Fanboys Only" sign but I thought the whole idea of a FORUM was to discuss new ideas and concepts.

  • 07.30.2007 10:21 AM PDT

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