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Subject: Save Halo 2 Bungie, Please.

gamertag: matt hero ii

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo2.aspx?gameid=740631 349&player=Matt%20Hero%20ii

That game began last night (technically this morning) around 12:50 AM. The game ended at around 3:00AM. Why? Cheaters.

When Bungie released this game back in 2004, I believed they created the single best online gaming experience that world had ever seen. I still believe that statement is true to this day. Did I expect cheaters to eventually come along and put a damper on the fun? Yes, yes I did. Did I expect the cheating to reach the levels it has? No.

I'm not naive. Halo 2 far from my first online game. I've gone through so many of the most popular shooters (Rainbow Six, Counter Strike, Call of Duty, Unreal, etc...), and I’ve been cheated in every single one of them. People make their aim bots and what not. Companies release patches and fix these cheats, or cheaters just got permanently banned. With Halo 2 however, it’s been quite different. It all started off what’s been called "Stand-By". That later evolved into "Secondary Stand-By", and later on "Bridging". All of which can be summed into a single category, network manipulation. These people tamper with either their internet connection or the connection of other players in the game in order to give themselves the advantage; a CLEAR example of a violation of the Xbox live terms of service. Next to this type of cheater, there is the "Modder". These players use modified files to again gain an advantage over other players, which is again a CLEAR example of a violation of the terms of service. How are these people treated? Temporary bans. 3 Days, a week maybe. When the "ban" expires, they cheat more. Eventually Bungie hits them with an actual ban. At that point they grab "a 2 month", and cheat some more.

We also have cheaters who don't even get chastised. Do you "Super Jump", or "BXR"? Guess what, you are a cheater. Yes, Bungie did say "Super Jumps" are not cheating, I'm aware of that, and I agree with them, to an extent. If you want to "bounce" 100 feet into the air and come back down somewhere within the bounds of the map, be my guest. If you however, use these "bounces" to land anywhere which is out of the bounds of the map, AKA an area you cannot get to without glitching, then at that point you are cheating. I don't know how many people I've explained that to; the mass majority of them simply don't understand and the rest attempt to insult me because they know I'm right and have nothing better to say. As for BXR, BXB, LLR, GGP, 7HW, they are glitches, and there for cheating. Some people will say "We all have access to these glitches, therefore it’s not cheating". Well kids, life is all about choices. I’ve made the choice not to exploit glitches. If you made the choice to glitch, you are a cheater.

The game that I linked to above had a mix of both types of cheating. Myself (Matt Hero II) and my buddies Josh and Dr. Dennis Labamba Ewid plus a random versus a party of four. In the first round, we scored the flag. We did not say anything rude towards the opposing team, nor teabag them or anything like that. In the second round, they rushed the flag, pings drop, our whole team dies. It’s not bad enough they “Bridged”, but they then super bounced the flag out of the map. Two of them managed to get out of the map, the other two failed to perform the super jump, and our random team mate promptly quits. For the first hour of the game we just slaughtered them in kills, in hopes that they’d either quit or just score the flag. They didn’t do either. After about 300 tries, Mr. Host (OXTAGON) FINALLY successfully super jumped out of the map with the sniper. At this point, the game was going nowhere, sure we were slaughtering the one guy on their team that was still in the map, but that was not enough. I had to resort to Super bouncing myself, something I’ve never done in match making before. After teaching myself how to do the jump, I successfully got out of the map, and began looking for the flag guy... what happens? They bridge and kill me. For the last hour I kept trying to get out of the map to find the flag guy. Every time I managed to pull off the jump properly, Hosty would try and out BR me, fail every time, and right before he was about to die he would again bridge and kill me. After nearly 2 and a half hours of this, we quit. They “won”.

Why do it? Was there some sort of twisted sense of accomplishment at the end? Do they now believe they are better at the game then us? I’ve been trying to wrap my mind around why these types of people do what they do for so long. I honestly cannot understand. Why do I play Halo? Simple, to have fun and win. If we lose a legitimate game, that’s fine, we move and play again. But why do cheaters do it. How can you find it fun? There is no skill involved. Do they do it for the rank? Do they do it because they know they are not good at the game, and simply have no other way of winning? And even better than why do they do it... why do they deny it? I cannot say how many times I’ve been the victim of some sort of network manipulation. After the game I’d congratulate the other team on their cheating skills... and they say they don’t cheat. Why deny it? I don’t think I’ll ever understand it.

Bottom line: I’ve played this game since the day of its release, and I’ll play it until Halo 3’s release. I’ve gone through 5 different gamer tags and thousands upon thousands of games. I’m not the best, and far from the worth. I don’t have the best K/D ratio, nor the most wins. However, there is one stat that I believe I do own. I firmly believe that I’ve been cheated more times than any single other person that’s played this game.
Without the Halo franchise the Xbox probably would have flopped. Without Halo 2 Xbox Live would never have taken off as well as it did. I know Microsoft is all about making money, but have a little respect for the fans that helped your company succeed in the video game industry. Stop with these garbage temporary bans. Stop giving them chances. On the first cheating offence, ban the Xbox from accessing Live ever again. We know it’s possible... do it. I know you guys are busy working on Halo 3, but it’s not too late to save Halo 2.

This post was not made to gain your sympathy, or pity. I am aware no actual Bungie employee cares. This is just a rant that’s been nearly 3 years in the making, and I just decided to vent.

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  • 07.30.2007 8:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: xXfactor
I know Microsoft is all about making money,


There you have it.

  • 07.30.2007 8:26 PM PDT
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Cheaters^^^^^

Ban both of 'em! You can see their GT's, give them a Permaban!

AHAHAHAHA!!!!

....Anyhoo...after reading through the whole thing you really must suck...no offense my man, but not being able to kill one guy for a hour and a half is a little pathetic.
I 've been out of Turf before--where did they go so you couldn't kill them with grenades?

Hell, even after enough tries I finally got my buddy down out of the map on Warlock (plasma's galore--and I kept getting close to him to, but he'd hop around, I finally had to use some frags...anyway, moving on)

You couldn't use the PP and BR to quickly pop him before he could his the Stand-by Button?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around why you couldn't kill the guy...

  • 07.30.2007 8:32 PM PDT

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the above guy fails

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  • 07.30.2007 8:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant Boon
Mkay, you wanna know why people cheat? BECAUSE ITS FCKING HILARIOUS!! I love superjumping the flag/bomb/oddball out of the map because it's so funny to see the other team get to pissed. When I'm bored, I also go into BTB and load up a warthog and drive it off a cliff. It's fun, and hilarious. You should try it sometime. And BTW, BXR, RRX, etc, is not cheating. If you and I were playing air hockey, and all your shots on my goal missed, would you say "HEY! No fair, He blocked his goal, wahhhhh?" No, you wouldn't, because you can block your goal too. You have access to these "cheats" use them instead of geting beaten every game, and then eventually coming here to whine.

People like YOU ruin Halo, the rest of us would rather have fun.


O the stupidity of this post and the irony. People like him don't ruin halo, people like YOU do. Superbouncing and button combos are cheating, no matter what the amazing MLG [/sarcasm] says. You superbounce and that is selfish, you ruin the game for others.This is the Bungie forums not the MLG forums. You are not allowed to advocate cheating (button combos and superbouncing). Also hes talking about XBL who consider button combos and superbouncing cheating, hes not talking about some MLG LAN tournament. Ninjas have said many times on the forums that button combos are not allowed in MM and you are not allowed to advocate them on THEIR forums. Go to the MLG forums if you want to talk about them.

BTW, your analogy sucked. Also, don't say "your just mad because you can't do them." I can, but i chose not to because IT IS CHEATING.

[Edited on 07.30.2007 8:48 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2007 8:44 PM PDT
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{You can't know what was here!!}

Who's for a change in font-type? I say that Arial's for queens, let's go Garamond!

[Edited on 07.30.2007 10:01 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2007 8:49 PM PDT
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They come as second nature nowadays for most players though. (The button glitches.)

I always BXB someone when I get close--which is good, because on a regular Xbox I couldn't out BR my little brother..but that's beside the point.

If you want to get good you have to get good at using Button Glitches. 'Tis the way of life.

  • 07.30.2007 8:58 PM PDT

We all have it coming, kid. - Will Munny

Very well said, I agree with you 100%. I have been involved in those types of games before, they get boring quick. At least you wound up on the plus side of the K/D ratio, you kinda won in principle.

[Edited on 07.30.2007 9:39 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2007 9:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant Boon
Posted by: nickyfour92
Posted by: Sergeant Boon
Mkay, you wanna know why people cheat? BECAUSE ITS FCKING HILARIOUS!! I love superjumping the flag/bomb/oddball out of the map because it's so funny to see the other team get to pissed. When I'm bored, I also go into BTB and load up a warthog and drive it off a cliff. It's fun, and hilarious. You should try it sometime. And BTW, BXR, RRX, etc, is not cheating. If you and I were playing air hockey, and all your shots on my goal missed, would you say "HEY! No fair, He blocked his goal, wahhhhh?" No, you wouldn't, because you can block your goal too. You have access to these "cheats" use them instead of geting beaten every game, and then eventually coming here to whine.

People like YOU ruin Halo, the rest of us would rather have fun.


O the stupidity of this post and the irony. People like him don't ruin halo, people like YOU do. Superbouncing and button combos are cheating, no matter what the amazing MLG [/sarcasm] says. You superbounce and that is selfish, you ruin the game for others.This is the Bungie forums not the MLG forums. You are not allowed to advocate cheating (button combos and superbouncing). Also hes talking about XBL who consider button combos and superbouncing cheating, hes not talking about some MLG LAN tournament. Ninjas have said many times on the forums that button combos are not allowed in MM and you are not allowed to advocate them on THEIR forums. Go to the MLG forums if you want to talk about them.

BTW, your analogy sucked. Don't say "your just mad because you can't do them." I can, but i chose not to because IT IS CHEATING.


OK, a couple of things I'll point out to start. First of all, I'm not anywhere near MLG level. I've never been passes a level 30. Second, I don't use BXR and RRX, I'm just saying that YOU SHOULD so you don't whine all the time. The analogy made perfect sense (but yeah it did kinda suck, try and think of a better one lol). Superbounding is FUN, end of story. You should try having fun sometime instead of getting pwned in every Halo game you play.

Cheating is when one player has an unfair advantage over another. When both players have the ability and oppritunity to master these glitches and perform them in combat, it's not cheating! It's that simple.

Yes, it's kind of sad that to win a Halo game you need to master glitches instead of have skill, but it's still fair.


No I shouldn't use them, its cheating and i win plenty of games without them. Rank doesn't mean sh1t, read my sig. Sure superbouncing if fun, in custom games, in MM you ruin it for other people. Sure they can both master them but why? It doesn't matter, just don't do them.

Sure cheating is an unfair advantage yada yada yada. But not everyone can do the combos. It is manipulating an animation glitch and it has been said by people who work for Bungie that it is cheating.

If you say its sad to win a game using glitches then why were you advocating them? Pick a side please.

  • 07.30.2007 9:24 PM PDT

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No Group Invites.
Worst idea ever...http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8664824

Did you know that Halo 3 comes out in a little under 2 months? It's too late for Halo 2, it's been 3 years since its release, it's over.

  • 07.30.2007 9:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sergeant Boon
Posted by: nickyfour92
Posted by: Sergeant Boon
Mkay, you wanna know why people cheat? BECAUSE ITS FCKING HILARIOUS!! I love superjumping the flag/bomb/oddball out of the map because it's so funny to see the other team get to pissed. When I'm bored, I also go into BTB and load up a warthog and drive it off a cliff. It's fun, and hilarious. You should try it sometime. And BTW, BXR, RRX, etc, is not cheating. If you and I were playing air hockey, and all your shots on my goal missed, would you say "HEY! No fair, He blocked his goal, wahhhhh?" No, you wouldn't, because you can block your goal too. You have access to these "cheats" use them instead of geting beaten every game, and then eventually coming here to whine.

People like YOU ruin Halo, the rest of us would rather have fun.






O the stupidity of this post and the irony. People like him don't ruin halo, people like YOU do. Superbouncing and button combos are cheating, no matter what the amazing MLG [/sarcasm] says. You superbounce and that is selfish, you ruin the game for others.This is the Bungie forums not the MLG forums. You are not allowed to advocate cheating (button combos and superbouncing). Also hes talking about XBL who consider button combos and superbouncing cheating, hes not talking about some MLG LAN tournament. Ninjas have said many times on the forums that button combos are not allowed in MM and you are not allowed to advocate them on THEIR forums. Go to the MLG forums if you want to talk about them.

BTW, your analogy sucked. Don't say "your just mad because you can't do them." I can, but i chose not to because IT IS CHEATING.


OK, a couple of things I'll point out to start. First of all, I'm not anywhere near MLG level. I've never been passes a level 30. Second, I don't use BXR and RRX, I'm just saying that YOU SHOULD so you don't whine all the time. The analogy made perfect sense (but yeah it did kinda suck, try and think of a better one lol). Superbounding is FUN, end of story. You should try having fun sometime instead of getting pwned in every Halo game you play.

Cheating is when one player has an unfair advantage over another. When both players have the ability and oppritunity to master these glitches and perform them in combat, it's not cheating! It's that simple.

Yes, it's kind of sad that to win a Halo game you need to master glitches instead of have skill, but it's still fair.


How's this for an analogy? You guys are playing air hockey and you randomly pull out another paddle so that absolutely nothing gets through into your goal. He then says it's cheating because you have 2 paddles so that there is no opening to your goal. But YOU say, "Hey, you can get another paddle and do the same as me so it's not cheating". Then he tells you that the game is meant to be played with only one paddle and that he would rather not cheat by using another paddle that wasn't even meant for that game.

I think it's a lot better then yours. =]

Oh and you proved yourself wrong... You said it is only cheating when one player has an unfair advantage over the other, right? Well when you face others that choose not to use the glitches that would mean that you have that unfair advantage over them. I would just not use the glitches on people who don't use them on you.

  • 07.30.2007 9:35 PM PDT
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You guys are nerds.

Stop splitting hairs!

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  • 07.30.2007 9:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rellik09
You guys are nerds.

Stop splitting hairs!


Your on the forums to. Act mature please.

Nerds rule the world, you just don't know it.

  • 07.30.2007 9:39 PM PDT
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Others on the forums don't bicker about analogies...

I'm sorry but they just don't...

  • 07.30.2007 9:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rellik09
Others on the forums don't bicker about analogies...

I'm sorry but they just don't...


Well those other forums suck then.

  • 07.30.2007 9:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: JROCK420
A little too blogish to me.


Where's that vid you bastard?

  • 07.30.2007 9:55 PM PDT

I don't think I've ever seen anyone go -112 before. You made my day.

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