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Posted by: No Refunds
Posted by: Master Kim
People, before you go making statements like this, get either multiple resources on your decision from people who HAVE the game (like me), or better yet, go get it yourself. [/quote]Somebody please enlighten No Refunds.

On what? How right I am? Why thank you.
No, about how wrong you are.

Let's look at the editorials, shall we? Turns out, I'm not the only one who thinks Halo 2 is worse than its predecessor. Metacritic gave Halo a Metascore of 83 out of 100, while it gave Halo 2 a lower rating of 72 out of 100.

Considering the fact that this piece of crap was supposed to be the flagship title for Games for Windows Live is pretty sad, considering Halo 2 in itself doesn't impress many PC gamers. Halo PC? "All you get are positive comments"? That couldn't be farther from the truth, dude. I, for one, have more than once moaned and complained about the horrid netcode. What about the fact that it's a system whore that required higher specs to run it than it should have? What about the lack of a friends list online? Hey, I want you to name as many flaws as you can think of in Halo PC and I can come up with just as many as in Halo 2. Halo PC is far from perfect, but Halo 2 Vista even more so.

Let me give you an example: What kind of PC game doesn't have separate audio sliders for in-game sound and music? Halo 2. You can't turn off the music? That's just a minor quibble, mind you, but it just goes to show you that this is mostly just a straight port from the Xbox to the PC with some minor add-ons.

How about the fact that aside from the new multiplayer maps, there are no new weapons or vehicles? At least Gearbox Software was competent enough to grace us with new content. (Yeah, yeah, I know we all we ended up was getting the noob rods and the flame thrower, but at least we got something.)

It lacks luster, okay? That's just my opinion. Perhaps it's just me, but it appears that Halo 2 Vista has just as many issues and problems if not more than Halo PC. Let me say something again, this was supposed to be the freaking first game for Games for Windows - Live, but they screwed even that up with that nightmare of a delay. Are PC gamers supposed to be enticed with some cold left overs that Microsoft just stuck into the microwave for a few seconds? The only other game out there is Uno and Shadowrun.

Maybe I'm just pulling this stuff out of my ass considering I don't own the game, but I don't find Halo 2 Vista to be better than Halo PC.

[Edited on 08.02.2007 4:26 AM PDT]

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Considering the fact that this piece of crap was supposed to be the flagship title for Games for Windows Live is pretty sad, considering Halo 2 in itself doesn't impress many PC gamers. Halo PC? "All you get are positive comments"? That couldn't be farther from the truth, dude. I, for one, have more than once moaned and complained about the horrid netcode. What about the fact that it's a system whore that required higher specs to run it than it should have? What about the lack of a friends list online? Hey, I want you to name as many flaws as you can think of in Halo PC and I can come up with just as many as in Halo 2. Halo PC is far from perfect, but Halo 2 Vista even more so.
And I agree that you, and many of the smarter people on this forum loath Halo PC for it's problems like I do. However, about 60% pf the average MAWzorz thinks the game is fine. Welcome to the new MAW, where everyone is an idiot. And the truth is that Halo PC had more major flaws than H2 vista. Halo 2's netcode has very little problems in it, I've gotten sever lag only once, and that was when my dad was using torrent and hogging the bandwidth, any game would lag under that. Also, people say that H2 is badly compromised. It's a bunch of -blam!-. Everyone that I have met (including myself) who has the game has been able to run it fine within their own specs. People with av average PC's like mine run the game on medium (or high, just on a smaller resolution). People with kick ass PC run it on huge resolutions with everything up. And people with crap PC's run it like crap, it's really that simple. However, back when Halo PC came out, you either had to play it on a low resolution but with everything up. Or a high resolution with everything down, both of which look like crap. Oh and don't forget that if your PC ran on the "minimum requirements" you would basically get a white screen. At least in Halo 2 the "minimum" requirements will get you a decent picture on low res medium, or high res low.

Let me give you an example: What kind of PC game doesn't have separate audio sliders for in-game sound and music? Halo 2. You can't turn off the music? That's just a minor quibble, mind you, but it just goes to show you that this is mostly just a straight port from the Xbox to the PC with some minor add-ons.
You just pointed out something I liked to call a minor problem. This is a minor annoyance. It shows that they sped up and pissed it all out on the end without polishing it, but it really doesn't have that much effect on gameplay. This also includes things like the BxR (I think that really isn't too much of a problem compared to the xbox version, but thats your choice).

How about the fact that aside from the new multiplayer maps, there are no new weapons or vehicles? At least Gearbox Software was competent enough to grace us with new content. (Yeah, yeah, I know we all we ended up was getting the noob rods and the flame thrower, but at least we got something.)
Something that made the game worse, ya I really want more of game ruining weaponry. And they did add the silenced SMG (which can be considered an entirely new weapon in itself) and the Fuel Rod in Multiplayer (which is no where near as noobish as the H1 Fuel Rod). As for vehicles, yes we lack them, do I care? No, the normal H1 vehicle set was fine. Unless you wanted a mongoose, there really wasn't much they could add thats not already in the game. Longswords on Coag sounds worse than rocket servers.

It lacks luster, okay? That's just my opinion. Perhaps it's just me, but it appears that Halo 2 Vista has just as many issues and problems if not more than Halo PC. Let me say something again, this was supposed to be the freaking first game for Games for Windows - Live, but they screwed even that up with that nightmare of a delay. Are PC gamers supposed to be enticed with some cold left overs that Microsoft just stuck into the microwave for a few seconds? The only other game out there is Uno and Shadowrun.
I agree with this, the game isn't what Microsoft claimed it would be. However, when people say the game sucks they are far off. It should score around a 7.5/10. Which is far from a great score, but if we turn that into the F-A range, thats a C. Which isn't a good grade to start your windows live launch title on, but it certainly doesn't deserve the criticism it's getting. Lacks luster is the perfect word, not good, not bad, but lacking the luster.

Maybe I'm just pulling this stuff out of my ass considering I don't own the game
Best comment you made in the entire post.

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Posted by: No Refunds
...and the Fuel Rod in Multiplayer (which is no where near as noobish as the H1 Fuel Rod)...

I'd like to point out that Halo 2's Fuel Rod Cannon kills in one shot if it is a direct hit, and you get 30 shots in clips of 5 to shoot. I realize the bolts from the cannon travel slower than Christmas, but when the weapon is on a small map this hardly matters.

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Posted by: No Refunds
It lacks luster, okay? That's just my opinion. Perhaps it's just me, but it appears that Halo 2 Vista has just as many issues and problems if not more than Halo PC. Let me say something again, this was supposed to be the freaking first game for Games for Windows - Live, but they screwed even that up with that nightmare of a delay. Are PC gamers supposed to be enticed with some cold left overs that Microsoft just stuck into the microwave for a few seconds? The only other game out there is Uno and Shadowrun.
I agree with this, the game isn't what Microsoft claimed it would be. However, when people say the game sucks they are far off. It should score around a 7.5/10. Which is far from a great score, but if we turn that into the F-A range, thats a C. Which isn't a good grade to start your windows live launch title on, but it certainly doesn't deserve the criticism it's getting. Lacks luster is the perfect word, not good, not bad, but lacking the luster.

Posted by: No Refunds
I love it when people like yourself put their faith into small children who don't even have the game. Halo 2 isn't a "great" port, but it sure as hell isn't a lackluster port.
Way to contradict yourself.

[Edited on 08.02.2007 5:05 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2007 5:02 PM PDT

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H1 is still heavily populated--I can get pub games any time from 3 am to noon in the middle of the week. :D During primetime, I usually have to camp the server list to catch an opening in the servers I like.

Also, I don't want to step into one of these "which video game is better?" arguments, but I think most people who've played H1 would agree that it has a well-executed, highly polished campaign (even if you don't like space zombies) and a very satisfying multiplayer that's more than just zooming around ugly mazes. In fact, I won't be moving on until I find a game that plays a whole lot like it. (Not H2v, btw...yuck.)
I agree with you on everything except for Halo 2 being 'yuck'. Not saying it wins, but heck, Halo 2 Vista is very fun on my PC, atleast for me it is... I also like to camp for my favorite servers; a toast for that pal! :D. This dude named 'good21', he was Dutch I think, he always made his daily 24/7 server on Death Island. The game rules generally rotated from Race to CTF, and sometimes sniper/pistol slayers on Free-For-All rules. But I'm afraid I don't see him anymore. But that's another story...

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Posted by: Master Kim
Way to contradict yourself.

You know what I meant. The first lackluster I was talking about it being bad, the second lackluster I was using it as ok. My bad, but you still get my point.

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You have gone off-topic here. The topic starter's question was "Is Halo 1 highly populated?" I answer like this; it has quite a few people on it, CTF maps are the most full, particularly the RP, RED, RPC, and Christian servers. Unfortunatly aimhacks are commonplace in unofficial clan/bungie servers. GL HF.

  • 08.02.2007 8:26 PM PDT

lol how did I start something like this with one simple question...

  • 08.02.2007 10:06 PM PDT
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Can you get halo 1 pc for the Macbook?

If you have the answer please send it in a message to me because I am signing out.

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Halo 1 PC for Mac. That sounds strange. But yeah, you can get it.

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Posted by: No Refunds
Posted by: Master Kim
Way to contradict yourself.

You know what I meant. The first lackluster I was talking about it being bad, the second lackluster I was using it as ok. My bad, but you still get my point.
Now I get it. :)

  • 08.03.2007 1:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Master Kim
[quote]Posted by: Eight Bit
Wrong. Unreal Tournament? Half-Life? Hello? As of May 2006, Counter-Strike is still the most widely played FPS in the world, and it came out in 1999. StarCraft was released in 1998 and it has sold over nine million copies and it's still extremely popular (especially in Korea). Halo has got nothing on this.


... StarCraft is no FPS I ever heard of. lol
Unreal and HL 1 & 2 always made me feel like it was lacking something. (Though to this day I don't know what... Maybe a story line? *Unreal *((Not being sarcastic))
They were more like Multiplayer games only, kinda sucks offline. (NOT IN LAN THOUGH, MWAHAHAHA)
Half Life reminds of System Shock though, but System shock 2 scares me to this day, can't play it without accidentally smacking that Escape key. heh.
System Shock was also a bit more interactive & I liked the story line a bit more as well.
Well, thats my 2 cents.

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Posted by: Master Kim
[quote]Posted by: Eight Bit
Wrong. Unreal Tournament? Half-Life? Hello? As of May 2006, Counter-Strike is still the most widely played FPS in the world, and it came out in 1999. StarCraft was released in 1998 and it has sold over nine million copies and it's still extremely popular (especially in Korea). Halo has got nothing on this.


... StarCraft is no FPS I ever heard of. lol
Unreal and HL 1 & 2 always made me feel like it was lacking something. (Though to this day I don't know what... Maybe a story line? *Unreal *((Not being sarcastic))
They were more like Multiplayer games only, kinda sucks offline. (NOT IN LAN THOUGH, MWAHAHAHA)
Half Life reminds of System Shock though, but System shock 2 scares me to this day, can't play it without accidentally smacking that Escape key. heh.
System Shock was also a bit more interactive & I liked the story line a bit more as well.
Well, thats my 2 cents.


I'm starting to think that Halo is more populated than UT2K4. Once I filter out the full, empty, custom, and passworded servers, you can count the number that show up. UT2K4 wouldn't be the best example as a highly populated game, as the only two gametypes with people are Onslaught on Torlon and Assault on Convoy.

But then again, 50% of Halo PC games are CTF on either BC or DI...

  • 08.03.2007 8:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Master Kim
[quote]Posted by: Eight Bit
Wrong. Unreal Tournament? Half-Life? Hello? As of May 2006, Counter-Strike is still the most widely played FPS in the world, and it came out in 1999. StarCraft was released in 1998 and it has sold over nine million copies and it's still extremely popular (especially in Korea). Halo has got nothing on this.


... StarCraft is no FPS I ever heard of. lol
Unreal and HL 1 & 2 always made me feel like it was lacking something. (Though to this day I don't know what... Maybe a story line? *Unreal *((Not being sarcastic))
They were more like Multiplayer games only, kinda sucks offline. (NOT IN LAN THOUGH, MWAHAHAHA)
Half Life reminds of System Shock though, but System shock 2 scares me to this day, can't play it without accidentally smacking that Escape key. heh.
System Shock was also a bit more interactive & I liked the story line a bit more as well.
Well, thats my 2 cents.


I'm starting to think that Halo is more populated than UT2K4. Once I filter out the full, empty, custom, and passworded servers, you can count the number that show up. UT2K4 wouldn't be the best example as a highly populated game, as the only two gametypes with people are Onslaught on Torlon and Assault on Convoy.

But then again, 50% of Halo PC games are CTF on either BC or DI...
Not like it doesn't make a difference...

  • 08.03.2007 8:22 PM PDT

Fight hard, break bones >{o

argueing over games is the same as argueing over what music band is the best. everyone has a different opinion and you wont get anywhere argueing about it.

but obviously we all like halo since we are here, so there is no point in trying to defend it.
so we might as well get back to the topic (though i think his question has been answered)

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Posted by: cullisonjason
Posted by: Master Kim
[quote]Posted by: Eight Bit
Wrong. Unreal Tournament? Half-Life? Hello? As of May 2006, Counter-Strike is still the most widely played FPS in the world, and it came out in 1999. StarCraft was released in 1998 and it has sold over nine million copies and it's still extremely popular (especially in Korea). Halo has got nothing on this.


... StarCraft is no FPS I ever heard of. lol
I never said it was a FPS. I'm just saying, Halo has got nothing on PC games.

  • 08.04.2007 6:12 PM PDT

Fight hard, break bones >{o

shut up

  • 08.04.2007 6:58 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Please don't bump a thread all the way to the top just to say "shut up", if Kim wants to correct someone who missinterpretuted what he said, he has every right.

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argueing over games is the same as argueing over what music band is the best. everyone has a different opinion and you wont get anywhere argueing about it.
I wasn't so much arguing about what music band is the best so much as this music band isn't the best.

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*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Although techincally he doesnt have the right to do it, at least not here. Bungie has every right to remove Kim for any reason whatsoever.

  • 08.04.2007 8:20 PM PDT

Fight hard, break bones >{o

i didnt bumb anything. in case you didnt notice these forums arent that active. besides he only wanted to say halo sucks and since he's on a forum for halo idk what he thinks he's talking about.

and besides my post had as much intelligence as anything else in this thread.

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Although techincally he doesnt have the right to do it, at least not here. Bungie has every right to remove Kim for any reason whatsoever.
I don't want to take that literally, I just think I have a right to my opinion if I want to say it without having somebody post a meaningless "shut up".

Posted by: Sick Pimpin
i didnt bumb anything. in case you didnt notice these forums arent that active. besides he only wanted to say halo sucks and since he's on a forum for halo idk what he thinks he's talking about.
When did I ever say Halo sucks? Please, specify. Please do. I'm willing to bet I love this game more than you do; so much, in fact, that I look past the hype, the popularity, enough to see flaws in the game, enough to really admire it. I'm sorry that I think that there are better games than Halo and that I think it's over rated. That doesn't mean I don't like Halo.

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I think I'm the only one who got that whole Asia thing. Maybe I'm just interpreting it wrong though. If you look at the numbers on the left and the graph, one stops at 1400 and the other stops at 1600. So anywhere from 1400-1600 players online at any given time, which is accurate because when I look, there is usually 1500 or so. But again, maybe I'm just weird.

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