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Subject: What really constitues skill in Halo?

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THIS IS AN OPINION, IT IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND ANYBODY. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THROUGH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN

We all see players, and face players, who could own us off the planet. But, does that nessecerily make them 'good' at Halo? Here is what I mean:


Weapons and Glitches:

Say you are playing Team Snipers, and you see a legit player no scope someone across the map. That is surely amazing, but does that mean they are good? One no scope might take a lot of skill or a little skill. But if that same player no-scopes you from across the map while your moving more than once, you can probably assume he's good. But if a glitcher or a superbouncer no scope you, does that make him good? No, it doesn't. Anyone who needs to use glitches to gain advantage over another player is not very good at Halo. Some people think "Oh, well, we are losing, so I needed to" No, you don't. If you were as good as you say you were, you wouldn't need those glitches.

Now, is that legit player in Team Snipers really 'good'? Maybe, maybe not. Having skill with one weapon does not necessarily mean hes good at all games. He might be able to kick your ass at Snipers, but if you play him with Br's only or SMG"s only, he might suck. Having skill in one weapon doesn't mean your 'good'. It just means you can play well with one weapons. But those who can play team snipers and own and play with Br's and own, does it mean they are good? No. A real player has skill with every weapon that takes skill.

But what weapons really take skill? Sure, we all know that the sword and Shotgun don't take skill, but why? People say that for two reasons

1. They have to lie to themselves because they just got owned by a sword and it ended their killing spree
2. Becuase you just pull the trigger and you pretty much kill someone.

But if the weapons take no skill, why do they use them? Mostly, backup. If you have a br and a sniper, its a good combo for longrange, but what about short? If someone is right next to you with a shotgun, your pretty much screwed unless you can fire first with a sniper and get a headshot. What about button combos?

If you use button combos, you are not 'good' at Halo. Those really make any weapon into a weapon that takes no skill. "But you have to aim towards their head if you want it to work" As true as that may be, Is it really that hard to aim at someones head? Believe it or not, button combos mean you pretty much can't win any other way. "I can own someone without button combos! Don't call them noobish!" If you can own players without them, than do it.

So, here are the things that really constitute skill i've covered to far

1. Skill with multiple weapons (accuracy, ability to shoot while moving while keeping aim at some ones head) You have to be able to kill players with all of them.
2. Completely Legit. No glitches whatsover.

Grenades

Does sticking someone from far away mean your 'good'? No. Does the ability to stick people far away every time you try mean your 'good'? Yes. If you can do it every time, you have skill with it. That couples with a skill of weapons is pretty much kick ass. But lucky sticks where you throw a grenade where you saw an enemy, those don't constitute skill. As cool as they are, if you wern't meaning to do it, its not really skill.

Frag grenades are somewhat the same. They usually are used to take down someones shields, and then the players finish them off with weapons. But does doing this mean your any worse? No. A real player should use every legit advantage he has. If other players call you noobs for using grenades, they are just jealous becuase you just totaly kicked their asses off the map. A grenade coupled with a shot to the head from any rifle is a deadly combination, and if you can master this, that can qualify you as 'good'

So, here is the list again.


1. Skill with multiple weapons (accuracy, ability to shoot while moving while keeping aim at some ones head) You have to be able to kill players with all of them.
2. Completely Legit. No glitches whatsover.
3. Uses grenades and can hit their targets every time

Duel Wielding, Noob combo?

Does duel wielding and using the 'noob combo' (Plasma pistol, Br) mean your any worse. Yes and no. They can be both skillfull and unessecary. A real player should never pass up the chance for a longer range weapon. But, in smaller levels, like Turf or Foundation, duel wields can be very helpful. So, if a player is using a duel wield on a bigger map where a BR would be better, yes, it means poor judgement. It doesn't mean a player can't be very skilled with that duel, however.

'Noob comboing' is shooting a charged plasma pistol and then shooting a player in the head with a BR. But, you guessed it, does that really mean he's any worse? No, it doesn't. Although it can get annoying when people use it against you, it is skillful playing. I reccomend not to use the noob combo though, because you will get flamed, and will be picked on by the other team. Sometimes, they start using it against you untill you die.

So, here is the list:

1. Skill with multiple weapons (accuracy, ability to shoot while moving while keeping aim at some ones head) You have to be able to kill players with all of them.
2. Completely Legit. No glitches whatsover.
3. Uses grenades and can hit their targets every time
4. Uses duel wields and combos when needed, and effictively


Knowledge of maps

A knowledge of the maps your playing on is key. Knowing every hiding spot, pathway, and weapon spawn is the first thing you should learn. If you cant do anything on the list, using your knowledge of the maps can help you win. "Camping is noobish, though." Don't you camp whenever your shields are down? You don't even have to camp. If you know shortcuts to get around the map quickly, such as jumping off paths and landing on others or ways to get around unnoticed, You are pretty much invisible. If you can be at Point A and get to Point B quickly and stealthly, You can win.

So, here is my finished list:

1. Skill with multiple weapons (accuracy, ability to shoot while moving while keeping aim at some ones head) You have to be able to kill players with all of them.
2. Completely Legit. No glitches whatsover.
3. Uses grenades and can hit their targets every time
4. Uses duel wields and combos when needed, and effictively

AGAIN, I WILL STATE THIS THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, IT IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND ANYONE

[Edited on 08.01.2007 3:01 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2007 2:58 PM PDT
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Damn rights i hate superbouncers and cheaters

  • 08.01.2007 3:03 PM PDT

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Ack. Wall of text...to...long...UNREADABLE.

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I disagree with the button glitches. I'm not arguing that they aren't exploiting glitches, or cheating blah blah blah. But its certainly ignorant to say that anyone who uses them is not good. A majority of people who use button glitches, would be just as good without them. The people that rely on button glitches aren't good, but most people don't rely on them. Your opinion basically said all halo pros aren't good at Halo. Funny thing is, they were pros without glitches, and still would be. they don't need them, and button glitches do not have a big enough impact on a player to make him good. A bad player using button glitches does not get any better.

And I must add, RRX is probably the most skill based part of Halo. Yes its a glitch, but it takes a lot of skill to not only be able to use it, but use it consistently, effectively, and accurately. It is probably the hardest thing to master in halo2.

[Edited on 08.01.2007 3:07 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2007 3:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: FKxPandemic
I disagree with the button glitches. I'm not arguing that they aren't exploiting glitches, or cheating blah blah blah. But its certainly ignorant to say that anyone who uses them is not good. A majority of people who use button glitches, would be just as good without them. The people that rely on button glitches aren't good, but most people don't rely on them. Your opinion basically said all halo pros aren't good at Halo. Funny thing is, they were pros without glitches, and still would be. they don't need them, and button glitches do not have a big enough impact on a player to make him good. A bad player using button glitches does not get any better.


See? Unlike in the Halo 3 forum, people can disagree with eachother without saying 'OMG you teh suxzorz

I see your point. I worded it funny, but here you go:

Using Button glitches, although technically doesn't make you any worse, sure as hell doesn't make you any better. I was trying to say that real pros don't need button glitches to gain the advantage. Although most pros use them, they would probably gain more technical skill by actually having to play without them. Thats why i am loving Halo 3, no button glitches (hopefully, there was a couple in the beta)

  • 08.01.2007 3:11 PM PDT

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i'm not gonna read your book you wrote up there but to simply answer your subject line....winning.

  • 08.01.2007 3:26 PM PDT

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Well thought out. I would add something more -- there are some players out there who would be "really good", but are limited by their broadband connections. Plasma pistols and all other weapons fire off into space because either the auto-aim doesn't work or their opponent is no longer at the point on the map they're aiming at, stickies don't hit their targets for the same reason, etc., etc.


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i'm not gonna read your book you wrote up there but to simply answer your subject line....winning.


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  • 08.01.2007 3:43 PM PDT
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What constitutes a good player(my opinion)
1. Able to work with their team
2. Skill with every weapon
3. Knowing the maps
4. Knowing appropriate times to take action-
such as knowing when to throw a grenade ect
And small details liks getting headshots and having a good strafe.

  • 08.01.2007 3:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Stevemcguy
Ack. Wall of text...to...long...UNREADABLE.


Actually this wasn't a wall of text. Your sad literacy skills are what make you 'fail'.

Don't bother posting this crap in future. If you can't or won't read a well laid out post such as this...well I feel for your tiny grey matter.

[Edited on 08.01.2007 4:06 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2007 4:04 PM PDT

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nade points
your br
sniping
melles
your strafe
use of button glitches (at correct times not just running cross map for a bxr)

Situational awareness

  • 08.01.2007 4:08 PM PDT
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I like Halo 2, but video games don't take skill...using buttons to kill people...fun when you kill someone, but not really any skill.

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If a player can efficiently utilize glitches, then you can assume he is in fact, better than someone who cannot, even without the glitches. Players master the basics before moving onto master glitches. A player doesn't start up a slayer game on their first day of playing and decide that they want to learn to quadshot before even understanding the basic layout of the map. Players who glitch have mastered the basics to a level beyond non glitchers, which is WHY they then move on to glitch. The fact that they glitch signifies that they ARE BETTER PLAYERS WITH OR WITHOUT GLITCHES.

  • 08.01.2007 4:56 PM PDT

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Recon Number 54

Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
Players master the basics before moving onto master glitches.


Ohhhh, this is priceless. It's the first time I've ever heard the term, "master glitches". Most cheaters who button-glitch just go out and buy the programmable controllers -- but wait! There are MASTERS who do it ALL BY THEMSELVES!!!!

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Yeah, all us MLG players need programmed controllers to keep up with you guys with 800 games played at level 16.

[Edited on 08.01.2007 5:21 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2007 5:21 PM PDT

Freedom of Speech does not equal "Freedom from Consequences when one speaks".

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Recon Number 54

Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
Yeah, all us MLG players need programmed controllers to keep up with you guys with 800 games played at level 16.


Um, you need to look a little closer at my stats. I have more experience playing this game than you ever will. The only reason your rank is higher is because I don't button-glitch or otherwise cheat, and my broadband connection isn't as good as yours.

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Ah, yes. My rank before the stat reset was a 34 in Hardcore. My highest in slayer was 36 3 years ago before I had ever HEARD of a BXR. You by far have more experience than I ever will, as well as a lower rank solely due the fact that I BXRed myself to double your level with my insane Comcast connection.

  • 08.01.2007 5:29 PM PDT

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Completely agree with you, TheKilla88. However, by your standards, no one is truly "good" at Halo. I say this because of No.2 on your list. I can't think of anyone who has never used a glitch in Halo. I think what you are trying to say is that a good player doesn't completely rely on glitches, like some players do, but uses them sparingly. Example: using superbounce. In some situations, I'm cool with it, like if a guy used it to get to a sniper spot, such as the rooftop in Zanzibar. I'snt a rooftop where you would expect to find a sniper anyway? However, if a guy does that with the Oddball or flag, I hate it. Button glitches, however, have no place except as a last resort in a close combat situation. With glitches, it depends on the context of the situation. Also, about No.3. How many times have you seen player with 100% accurcay, that fired more than four shots in the Postgame Carnage Report? I haven't, but mabye you have, I don't know. You should also add a No. 5: Has basic knowledge of all maps in terms of layout, weapons, and respawns. This wasn't ment to flame you, I was just pointing some things out.

[Edited on 08.01.2007 5:35 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2007 5:30 PM PDT

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Recon Number 54

Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
Ah, yes. My rank before the stat reset was a 34 in Hardcore. My highest in slayer was 36 3 years ago before I had ever HEARD of a BXR. You by far have more experience than I ever will, as well as a lower rank solely due the fact that I BXRed myself to double your level with my insane Comcast connection.


Dude, you've already established what you are, you made an error in judgment, and now you're trying to lay a smoke screen. Just go back to the MLG forum.

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What are you talking about? Nice cop out buddy. I just throughly destroyed your perception that you are some "experienced" gamer, not to mention you failed to see the sarcasm in my post. Go back and read by first post and address it. I do not know a single MLG player that uses a programmed controller, and I have never played one that made me think he used one, and I can guarantee you haven't played one who used one either, since the only MLG players you come across are the ones who smack you around while ranking up, and you assume they MUST be quad shotting every time. People like you make me laugh, I've been yelled at after every game for "cheating" when I did not once even get myself into a situation when I needed to glitch, and that my BR is on auto fire, or some other excuse you people make up.

[Edited on 08.01.2007 5:47 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2007 5:43 PM PDT

Freedom of Speech does not equal "Freedom from Consequences when one speaks".

It is a right, and all rights have responsibilities associated with them. Ignore the responsibility, and you tend to lose the right.
Recon Number 54

Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
What are you talking about? Nice cop out buddy. I just throughly destroyed your perception that you are some "experienced" gamer


Neither you, nor anyone else, can "destroy" what's already true. I AM experienced, end of story. People like YOU don't make me laugh, you destroy what's good and fun about this game.

  • 08.01.2007 6:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
Yeah, all us MLG players need programmed controllers to keep up with you guys with 800 games played at level 16.


Um, you need to look a little closer at my stats. I have more experience playing this game than you ever will. The only reason your rank is higher is because I don't button-glitch or otherwise cheat, and my broadband connection isn't as good as yours.


he's laying the smokescreen?

His rank is higher, because he is better at halo than you.

Its a fact. Stop making excuses. With or without glitches, it doesn't matter, they don't make that much of a difference in a player. they are useless without mastering the basic skills first. When you've gotten to the point where you are skilled in the basics, and move onto glitches, they become useful tricks, and that's it. They don't change a player.

Its funny how a majority of the people who call out button-glitchers as people who aren't good, tend to have like a 27% win ratio.

[Edited on 08.01.2007 6:07 PM PDT]

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Posted by: B3OWULF
Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
What are you talking about? Nice cop out buddy. I just throughly destroyed your perception that you are some "experienced" gamer


Neither you, nor anyone else, can "destroy" what's already true. I AM experienced, end of story. People like YOU don't make me laugh, you destroy what's good and fun about this game.


And its people like you, who have to find the most pathetic excuses for why you lose.

"You're only better because you glitch, if you didn't, i would have won."

ROFL, I love those type of statements.

  • 08.01.2007 6:09 PM PDT