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Subject: What really constitues skill in Halo?
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Posted by: B3OWULF
Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
What are you talking about? Nice cop out buddy. I just throughly destroyed your perception that you are some "experienced" gamer


Neither you, nor anyone else, can "destroy" what's already true. I AM experienced, end of story. People like YOU don't make me laugh, you destroy what's good and fun about this game.


I don't button glitch in MM, aside from Team Hardcore where, regardless of what Bungie says, is universally accepted by the players themselves. I ruin no one's experience through cheating.

  • 08.01.2007 6:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
Posted by: B3OWULF
Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
What are you talking about? Nice cop out buddy. I just throughly destroyed your perception that you are some "experienced" gamer


Neither you, nor anyone else, can "destroy" what's already true. I AM experienced, end of story. People like YOU don't make me laugh, you destroy what's good and fun about this game.


I don't button glitch in MM, aside from Team Hardcore where, regardless of what Bungie says, is universally accepted by the players themselves. I ruin no one's experience through cheating.


is there even a need to glitch outside of customs or hardcore. Setting up with Brs and power weps in the other lists is all in itself too easy, then proceeding to just team fire kids.

I also, don't glitch in MM, except in Hardcore, where everyone is glitching back, and that is still sparingly. Not to mention, I barely play any other MM besides hardcore. You can even check Beowulf. My accounts are FK Pandemic and Havok1228. I don't go around in MM glitching to get a high rank. I could care less about my rank. What I do in customs, Bungie has no control over.

  • 08.01.2007 6:17 PM PDT
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That's actually why I don't glitch outside of Hardcore. There is absolutely no need to gain that additional advantage.

  • 08.01.2007 6:22 PM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

Posted by: TheKilla88
Anyone who needs to use glitches to gain advantage over another player is not very good at Halo.

Okay, so why don't you play Karma, Walshy, ItWasLuck, StrongSide, or any other pro in an MLG 1v1 with no button glitching allowed. They all regularly use glitches in every game they play, so by your logic, they're terrible. So you should have no problem owning any one of them in a 1v1 with no button glitches.

Oh wait, you'd get absolutely wrecked. I'd be shocked if you got 4 kills.

  • 08.01.2007 6:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: SOSLICK22
Are you crazy...I'd be shocked if he got 1


No, he might get a lucky stick. I'd give him a few kills. I think four is a good number.

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Skill = the Voracity with which I sechs your mom.

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The moment you said people who use button glitches are not good at Halo your post lost any value to me. Anyone that has learned to use button glitches and has mastered them probably mastered most other aspects of the game as well.

  • 08.01.2007 6:53 PM PDT
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"Button glitching" takes skill in itself, superjumpers walk into a wall and jump to get out of the level and to gain an advantage over others. "Button glitchers" practice, and practice to gain "skill" and become better at it. Unlike superjumping, any random person can't just decide to start button glitching, they actually have to practice.

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The player that can kick my arse without exploitation of weapon, map, game, connection, or other glitches is the the player I consider better at the game. However lately it would seem that players who learn the button combos and super jumps consider themselves superior to everyone.

  • 08.01.2007 9:10 PM PDT
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I'm pretty sure someone else has already said it in this topic but I'll say it anyway...Most people that learn, practice, and master button combos, are already more superior without using button combos.

I'm not saying that's always true, but for the most part, it is.

  • 08.01.2007 9:15 PM PDT
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I completly agree with everything you said, especially this:
If you use button combos, you are not 'good' at Halo. Those really make any weapon into a weapon that takes no skill. "But you have to aim towards their head if you want it to work" As true as that may be, Is it really that hard to aim at someones head? Believe it or not, button combos mean you pretty much can't win any other way. "I can own someone without button combos! Don't call them noobish!" If you can own players without them, than do it.

I play people who think they are good all the time, but all they do is BXR and doubleshot. Usually, I can still kill them, but when they get me with a BXR or something, they always brag and say "OMG DID YOU SEE THAT BXR??! I OWN". I think thats just as stupid as a statement as "I sniped the kid from a superbounce location."

I'm glad they are really trying to keep button glitches out of Halo3, I think it will make the game so much better.

  • 08.01.2007 9:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: cameron77910
I completly agree with everything you said, especially this:
If you use button combos, you are not 'good' at Halo. Those really make any weapon into a weapon that takes no skill. "But you have to aim towards their head if you want it to work" As true as that may be, Is it really that hard to aim at someones head? Believe it or not, button combos mean you pretty much can't win any other way. "I can own someone without button combos! Don't call them noobish!" If you can own players without them, than do it.

I play people who think they are good all the time, but all they do is BXR and doubleshot. Usually, I can still kill them, but when they get me with a BXR or something, they always brag and say "OMG DID YOU SEE THAT BXR??! I OWN". I think thats just as stupid as a statement as "I sniped the kid from a superbounce location."

I'm glad they are really trying to keep button glitches out of Halo3, I think it will make the game so much better.


The fact of the matter is people are seeing using combos as an alternative to learning how to play differently. They see it as a better quicker way to adapt to the game. As for myself I've been playing this game online since it came out. I've racked up over 20,000 games and don't need to use quick button combos because I know the game through and through.

  • 08.01.2007 9:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: KSnatch
Posted by: cameron77910
I completly agree with everything you said, especially this:
If you use button combos, you are not 'good' at Halo. Those really make any weapon into a weapon that takes no skill. "But you have to aim towards their head if you want it to work" As true as that may be, Is it really that hard to aim at someones head? Believe it or not, button combos mean you pretty much can't win any other way. "I can own someone without button combos! Don't call them noobish!" If you can own players without them, than do it.

I play people who think they are good all the time, but all they do is BXR and doubleshot. Usually, I can still kill them, but when they get me with a BXR or something, they always brag and say "OMG DID YOU SEE THAT BXR??! I OWN". I think thats just as stupid as a statement as "I sniped the kid from a superbounce location."

I'm glad they are really trying to keep button glitches out of Halo3, I think it will make the game so much better.


The fact of the matter is people are seeing using combos as an alternative to learning how to play differently. They see it as a better quicker way to adapt to the game. As for myself I've been playing this game online since it came out. I've racked up over 20,000 games and don't need to use quick button combos because I know the game through and through.

I've been playing this game online since it came out also (well 2 months after). I don't do button combos because it's a quicker way to learn the game, but because it takes my game to the next level. There is nothing you can do to kill someone at close-range who is getting ready to BXR you, knowing the game "through and through" is not going to save you. If you are 1 shot down in a BR battle, just shooting him is not going to save you, double shotting will.

  • 08.01.2007 9:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: AndShock
Posted by: KSnatch
Posted by: cameron77910
I completly agree with everything you said, especially this:
If you use button combos, you are not 'good' at Halo. Those really make any weapon into a weapon that takes no skill. "But you have to aim towards their head if you want it to work" As true as that may be, Is it really that hard to aim at someones head? Believe it or not, button combos mean you pretty much can't win any other way. "I can own someone without button combos! Don't call them noobish!" If you can own players without them, than do it.

I play people who think they are good all the time, but all they do is BXR and doubleshot. Usually, I can still , but when they get me with a BXR or something, they always brag and say "OMG DID YOU SEE THAT BXR??! I OWN". I think thats just as stupid as a statement as "I sniped the kid from a superbounce location."

I'm glad they are really trying to keep button glitches out of Halo3, I think it will make the game so much better.


The fact of the matter is people are seeing using combos as an alternative to learning how to play differently. They see it as a better quicker way to adapt to the game. As for myself I've been playing this game online since it came out. I've racked up over 20,000 games and don't need to use quick button combos because I know the game through and through.

I've been playing this game online since it came out also (well 2 months after). I don't do button combos because it's a quicker way to learn the game, but because it takes my game to the next level. There is nothing you can do to kill someone at close-range who is getting ready to BXR you, knowing the game "through and through" is not going to save you. If you are 1 shot down in a BR battle, just him is not going to save you, double shotting will.


There was a time when hitting the standby button would save you. Does that make it right to do? The fact of the matter is that knowing the game absolutely does save me. Knowing the game and playing it for extended periods of time means you know the behaviors of your enemies as well. That being said I can apply my knowledge of the game to play in such a way that allows me to "even the playing field" and counter a button combo. I will rarely put myself in a situation where a BXR is effective against me.

  • 08.01.2007 9:38 PM PDT
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Standby doesn't take any skill, or practice, so that point is void. I personally don't see how you can say you don't put yourself in the position to be "button-comboed," or that you never need to use button combos. There is a reason that the people that get paid money and win money playing Halo 2 (pros) use button combos, and I highly doubt it's because of their lack-of-knowledge in Halo 2. And if you don't get put in positions to be button-comboed, why aren't you pro, or one of the best Halo 2 players out there?

  • 08.01.2007 10:17 PM PDT
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Ahem, I've gotten paid money in tournaments. I was the ONLY person not using button combos. I took first place amongst the best in upstate NY.

  • 08.01.2007 10:32 PM PDT

my other account, if you are gonna send me an FR, send it to this account and my Main GT.

Posted by: FKxPandemic
I disagree with the button glitches. I'm not arguing that they aren't exploiting glitches, or cheating blah blah blah. But its certainly ignorant to say that anyone who uses them is not good. A majority of people who use button glitches, would be just as good without them. The people that rely on button glitches aren't good, but most people don't rely on them. Your opinion basically said all halo pros aren't good at Halo. Funny thing is, they were pros without glitches, and still would be. they don't need them, and button glitches do not have a big enough impact on a player to make him good. A bad player using button glitches does not get any better.

And I must add, RRX is probably the most skill based part of Halo. Yes its a glitch, but it takes a lot of skill to not only be able to use it, but use it consistently, effectively, and accurately. It is probably the hardest thing to master in halo2.


Me and everyone I know that plays halo 2 feel exactly the same way. Nice post.

  • 08.02.2007 1:44 AM PDT

my other account, if you are gonna send me an FR, send it to this account and my Main GT.

Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
If a player can efficiently utilize glitches, then you can assume he is in fact, better than someone who cannot, even without the glitches. Players master the basics before moving onto master glitches. A player doesn't start up a slayer game on their first day of playing and decide that they want to learn to quadshot before even understanding the basic layout of the map. Players who glitch have mastered the basics to a level beyond non glitchers, which is WHY they then move on to glitch. The fact that they glitch signifies that they ARE BETTER PLAYERS WITH OR WITHOUT GLITCHES.

So many people who do such a good job of explaining why people who use button glitches aren't noobs who can't win without them. The majority of people use them when needed. They don't just rush across the map for a bxr, or double shot when it isn't necessary.

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  • 08.02.2007 1:51 AM PDT

Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
I do not know a single MLG player that uses a programmed controller

Neither do I. They don't need to use a macro contoller. That and macro controllers are a bannable offence at MLG events.

Posted by: B3OWULF
Neither you, nor anyone else, can "destroy" what's already true. I AM experienced, end of story. People like YOU don't make me laugh, you destroy what's good and fun about this game.

What ruins the game is people that complain about EVERY LITTLE THING! Please don't make wild accusations (reguarding macro controllers and button glitching). It make you look...er...how should I put this?...dumb.

Posted by: KSnatch
However lately it would seem that players who learn the button combos and super jumps consider themselves superior to everyone.

Because, generally, they are.

FKxPandemic, on everything you've posted, I agree 100% and it's 100% true.

Pro's don't RELY on button glitches. It's the stupid-wannabe-pro kids that rely on button glitching. Button glitches are meant to be a situational thing. Those situations rarely come up in games and it takes "skill" to recognize the situations and pull off the combo. Like many others have said, the button glitches are used (by the good players) as the "Expert" level after mastering the "Bigginer" and "Intermidiate" levels. The people that run around looking only to BXR or Double shot and start right out with the button glitching, not knowing the basics, are the ones giving button glitching a bad name (aside from Bungie stating that they are glitches/cheating) and are the ones that button glitch in any matchmaking play list other than Team Hardcore.

Anyway, moving back to "What constitutes a good player," I would say a good player has these skills:

*Knows the ins and outs of the maps (weapons/vehicle/power up spawns, weapon/vehicle/power up re-spawn times, ext)
*Uses his resources effectively ("noob" combo, button glitches, available weapons, ext.)
*Plays consistently
*Makes good use of weapons/grenades
*Communicates well (in team games)
*Team Player (in team games)

[Edited on 08.02.2007 3:05 AM PDT]

  • 08.02.2007 2:58 AM PDT

Posted by: Stevemcguy
Ack. Wall of text...to...long...UNREADABLE.


Posted by: JesuszillaCorp
i'm not gonna read your book you wrote up there


There's nothing wrong with his post. Don't make out it's his fault you have the attention span and literacy of a goldfish.

  • 08.02.2007 3:15 AM PDT

Posted by: S2K ViP3R
there is not point in saying hey i got a 40- HIGH RANK MEANS NOTHING, it means you either bridged host or cheated...and the skillfull player like myself have 27s cause of cheating.

Gamertag: StlcKs <-- i is an "L"

Dumb thread.

Bottom line, if you want to get good at Halo, get into the MLG scene.

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Posted by: Stevemcguy
Ack. Wall of text...to...long...UNREADABLE.


Posted by: JesuszillaCorp
i'm not gonna read your book you wrote up there


There's nothing wrong with his post. Don't make out it's his fault you have the attention span and literacy of a goldfish.


Tottaly agree with you it was a well laid out post and it wasnt as long as a book..... And yer i think i agree with you on all of your points.

  • 08.02.2007 6:06 AM PDT

Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain

Posted by: Fritz White
I can just picture Mechalord reading his post to a group of Halo fans at GameStop in real life: loud, halting speech, his pimpled face turning red with anger at weak noobs, wildly gesticulating and banging the counter to drive his point home, stroking his tiny teen mustache like Halo Hitler. You need a girlfriend buddy.

Sure glitches take skill, but so does just about every little thing in life. Not everyone is capable of robbing somebody without the other person noticing, therefore it takes a certain amount of skill. Does that make it right? Im pretty sure we can all agree it doesnt.

I dont care how you try to justify it, acting like its the next level of existence or something. It doesnt change the fact that you are CHEATING, wether you do it every match or wether you use it "only when its neccesary".

If you are one BR shot behind your opponent or caught at close range against sword or shotty you deserve to die unless you find a legit way to avoid it.
Sure it may be the ONLY time you skillful heroes use your glitches, but there are plenty of times when you can find yourself in those situations therefore there are plenty of times you probably should have died instead of getting a point, wich means your probably a much worse player than you think you are.

Lol its like if Kobe Bryant said "I has masterd ze Baskitballs, now I must has to take it to teh next levl!!" and starts traveling with the ball and punching people to steal it.

  • 08.02.2007 9:54 AM PDT