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Subject: What really constitues skill in Halo?

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

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Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
What are you talking about? Nice cop out buddy. I just throughly destroyed your perception that you are some "experienced" gamer


Neither you, nor anyone else, can "destroy" what's already true. I AM experienced, end of story. People like YOU don't make me laugh, you destroy what's good and fun about this game.


And its people like you, who have to find the most pathetic excuses for why you lose.



"You're only better because you glitch, if you didn't, i would have won."

ROFL, I love those type of statements.




Agreed. Either get better or quit whining. I win just as much with them as I do without them. Wanna know why I use button glitches? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT AND I KNOW IT PISSES YOU OFF. Part of being good at the game is being good at psychological warfare, getting in their head is often key to winning and whats more demoralizing then BxR'd right in the grill before a huge Tea-bagging?

  • 08.02.2007 11:09 AM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

People don't seem to understand that button glitching isn't a game breaker. If button glitchers beat you with button glitches, they would've won without them anyways.

  • 08.02.2007 12:32 PM PDT
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Pretty much the only people that complain about button glitches are those who suck at the game and think that the only reason that they lost was because of my quad shot. That is not true. I beat you because I am better than you. Stop complaining about button glitches. They are there and they are not going anywhere until Halo 3, and even then I am sure there will be glitches that people will use. It is something that you will have to learn how to do. Get over it. people who are good at Halo 2, button glitches or not, will still be good at Halo 3, regardless of the button glitches. It also sounds kind of stupid if someone tells you that "if you push RRX on your controller you are a cheater." Learn how to press buttons on your controller and get over it.

  • 08.02.2007 12:50 PM PDT
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Button glitching isnt a serious issue. Would you rather be standbyed every game or button glitched every game? And if you do hate BXR wait until halo 3 comes out and then complain about some glitch in that. If i can press the buttons in a sequence to my advantage why wouldnt i? Because you say so? I'll do what i want when i want. This will be locked im assuming.

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  • 08.02.2007 12:58 PM PDT

BOOM! headshot BOOM! headshot Teabag Teabag Teabag

i only use super jumps in customs as a joke i never really use them unless people are already up there killing us so i go up to kill them get a few kills and go back down thats the only time in a real game and i dont complain about quad shots even though i cant use them i own with bxrs but only use them if im about to die or in an area with tons of enemies use them if u have to but superjumping takes to long and is boring so why bother?

[Edited on 08.02.2007 1:19 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2007 1:18 PM PDT

Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain

Posted by: Fritz White
I can just picture Mechalord reading his post to a group of Halo fans at GameStop in real life: loud, halting speech, his pimpled face turning red with anger at weak noobs, wildly gesticulating and banging the counter to drive his point home, stroking his tiny teen mustache like Halo Hitler. You need a girlfriend buddy.

Posted by: binklet
It also sounds kind of stupid if someone tells you that "if you push RRX on your controller you are a cheater."

I dont see what sounds so stupid about that, if I type IDDQD or IDKFA in Doom im cheating and all I did was touch 5 keys. Its not what or how many buttons you hit, its what it does and why it does it. It pretty much provides you with an instant kill using a BR because of an animation glitch or whatever. Sure its probably not easy and sure most people who use it know how to play at least half decently, but you are still a cheater, even if you can pwnzorz the whole opposite team on BTB with an empty SMG without using glitches.

  • 08.02.2007 2:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Silversoth
Sure glitches take skill, but so does just about every little thing in life. Not everyone is capable of robbing somebody without the other person noticing, therefore it takes a certain amount of skill. Does that make it right? Im pretty sure we can all agree it doesnt.

I dont care how you try to justify it, acting like its the next level of existence or something. It doesnt change the fact that you are CHEATING, wether you do it every match or wether you use it "only when its neccesary".

If you are one BR shot behind your opponent or caught at close range against sword or shotty you deserve to die unless you find a legit way to avoid it.
Sure it may be the ONLY time you skillful heroes use your glitches, but there are plenty of times when you can find yourself in those situations therefore there are plenty of times you probably should have died instead of getting a point, wich means your probably a much worse player than you think you are.

Lol its like if Kobe Bryant said "I has masterd ze Baskitballs, now I must has to take it to teh next levl!!" and starts traveling with the ball and punching people to steal it.

The thing that separates the real life comparison and the video game is there isn't a consequence for button glitching. Robbers are taking the risk that they could be caught and loose their freedom.. Kobe Bryant doesn't double dribble, travel, what have you because there is a consequence of being eject if he does it too much or in extreme cases, he could loose his job playing basketball. If there isn't a consequence, people are going to do it, regardless of what anyone says.

  • 08.02.2007 2:14 PM PDT
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Then pretty much everyone that plays halo 2 is a cheater. I have only talked to 1 guy online who does not button glitch. The majority of the halo 2 online population accept button glitches and also accept their use. Learn how to do it. There is no consequence for it and never will be. Get over it and stop comparing real life to a video game.

  • 08.02.2007 2:30 PM PDT

Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain

Posted by: Fritz White
I can just picture Mechalord reading his post to a group of Halo fans at GameStop in real life: loud, halting speech, his pimpled face turning red with anger at weak noobs, wildly gesticulating and banging the counter to drive his point home, stroking his tiny teen mustache like Halo Hitler. You need a girlfriend buddy.

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Posted by: Silversoth
Sure glitches take skill, but so does just about every little thing in life. Not everyone is capable of robbing somebody without the other person noticing, therefore it takes a certain amount of skill. Does that make it right? Im pretty sure we can all agree it doesnt.

I dont care how you try to justify it, acting like its the next level of existence or something. It doesnt change the fact that you are CHEATING, wether you do it every match or wether you use it "only when its neccesary".

If you are one BR shot behind your opponent or caught at close range against sword or shotty you deserve to die unless you find a legit way to avoid it.
Sure it may be the ONLY time you skillful heroes use your glitches, but there are plenty of times when you can find yourself in those situations therefore there are plenty of times you probably should have died instead of getting a point, wich means your probably a much worse player than you think you are.

Lol its like if Kobe Bryant said "I has masterd ze Baskitballs, now I must has to take it to teh next levl!!" and starts traveling with the ball and punching people to steal it.

The thing that separates the real life comparison and the video game is there isn't a consequence for button glitching. Robbers are taking the risk that they could be caught and loose their freedom.. Kobe Bryant doesn't double dribble, travel, what have you because there is a consequence of being eject if he does it too much or in extreme cases, he could loose his job playing basketball. If there isn't a consequence, people are going to do it, regardless of what anyone says.

The Banhammer or whatever apparently wont detect it, therefore you wont automatically get booted. But if you get enough negative feedback it can happen.
I totally agree on the fact that its extremely unlikely that you will get booted for button glitching and the same thing probably goes for superjumping. I also agree that we will just have to get over it and get used to it, at least until Halo 3 comes out. It doesnt change the fact that people who use them are cheaters though.

  • 08.02.2007 2:30 PM PDT
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I understand how it can be considered cheating, but it is just that it is so widely used and all you have to do is press buttons on your controller. But here, in the last 2 months of Halo 2, it is a part of the game itself and is used so much.

  • 08.02.2007 2:36 PM PDT

Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain

Posted by: Fritz White
I can just picture Mechalord reading his post to a group of Halo fans at GameStop in real life: loud, halting speech, his pimpled face turning red with anger at weak noobs, wildly gesticulating and banging the counter to drive his point home, stroking his tiny teen mustache like Halo Hitler. You need a girlfriend buddy.

Posted by: binklet
Then pretty much everyone that plays halo 2 is a cheater. I have only talked to 1 guy online who does not button glitch. The majority of the halo 2 online population accept button glitches and also accept their use. Learn how to do it. There is no consequence for it and never will be. Get over it and stop comparing real life to a video game.

Dont worry cheater, Im not going to have a fit if I see someone glitching and I probably wont even waste the time it would take to report you if I saw you using them. I have no need or desire whatsoever to become a little cheater like you, I dont care if 99% of the Halo 2 community uses them.

PS: The day you become a moderator here or my boss at my job, feel free to order me around. Until then... I would politely ask you to STFU please.

  • 08.02.2007 2:39 PM PDT

Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain

Posted by: Fritz White
I can just picture Mechalord reading his post to a group of Halo fans at GameStop in real life: loud, halting speech, his pimpled face turning red with anger at weak noobs, wildly gesticulating and banging the counter to drive his point home, stroking his tiny teen mustache like Halo Hitler. You need a girlfriend buddy.

Posted by: binklet
I understand how it can be considered cheating, but it is just that it is so widely used and all you have to do is press buttons on your controller. But here, in the last 2 months of Halo 2, it is a part of the game itself and is used so much.

I agree, I agree. Its really not even worth discussing them or having a fit over them because at this point its clear nothing is going to be done about them

  • 08.02.2007 2:41 PM PDT
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I just youtubed RRX.

I played a guy last night who was doing that. No freaking wonder he was so good. OF COURSE that's cheating.

  • 08.02.2007 2:41 PM PDT
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I guess that makes you a saint silversoth?

[Edited on 08.02.2007 2:43 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2007 2:42 PM PDT

Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain

Posted by: Fritz White
I can just picture Mechalord reading his post to a group of Halo fans at GameStop in real life: loud, halting speech, his pimpled face turning red with anger at weak noobs, wildly gesticulating and banging the counter to drive his point home, stroking his tiny teen mustache like Halo Hitler. You need a girlfriend buddy.

Posted by: binklet
I guess that makes you a saint silversoth?

Why yes, yes it would... lol.

  • 08.02.2007 2:49 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: binklet
I guess that makes you a saint silversoth?


No, its just another "scrub" (pollitically correct term) whining about the game.

  • 08.02.2007 2:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: binklet
Then pretty much everyone that plays halo 2 is a cheater. I have only talked to 1 guy online who does not button glitch. The majority of the halo 2 online population accept button glitches and also accept their use. Learn how to do it. There is no consequence for it and never will be. Get over it and stop comparing real life to a video game.


Then I am a second person you can claim to know that doesn't glitch.

The fact that "everyone does it" does not make it alright to use if the MM rules have decided it is cheating. You are cheating, say whatever you need to justify it, but it is cheating in MM. You can keep doing it for all I care, that is you're business. I accept that cheating happens and usually just ignore it and play on, but I am never happy to see it in a MM game.

  • 08.02.2007 3:20 PM PDT

Never argue with idiots. They force you down to their level, then win because of experience.

Shadowrun=Halo 1>Halo 3>Halo 2>Gears of War>Nothing.

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Don't be a scrub. Play to win.

Certain glitches are cheating and certain glitches aren't. Superbouncing is cheating, while the button combos are not. Superbouncing is not cheating because it is a glitch, however. It is cheating because it gives a player an unfair advantage. It is possible to superbounce to locations on the maps that are impossible to be killed at because the bullets simply will not travel that far. (its called bullet life, where bullets disappear after a certain distance to decrease lag by making it so the game doesn't have to keep track of as many objects) The ability not to be killed is quite powerful indeed, and the game will devolve into who can superbounce first. This would make the game imbalanced, because one course of action/tactic is significantly more powerful than all the others, and if you want to win you must use this tactic. Superbouncing 'breaks' the game.

Button glitches, however, are not cheating. A glitch by definition is something that wasn't intended in a game. However, that does not automatically make it cheating. The Halo 1 pistol was intended to be a side arm to be occasionally used in campaign. Look what happened to it. Just because it isn't being used as intended, doesn't mean its cheating. Designer intent doesn't matter, its how the game is played. Button glitches are not cheating, because any one can do them at any given time, and they do not break the game. (Yes, even people on PAL TVs. I've seen a montage from a British player before, and he double shotted.) When you look at glitches, they don't do any thing 'new', per se, but simply speed up actions already possible in the game. Do you think it's a coincidence that Bungie designed the game so that you die with one BR headshot after you get bashed? All BxBing does is make you melee faster, and all the double shot does is make you shoot faster (The glitch requires precise timing, so its not broken). The glitches don't break the game, they make the game faster paced and more skillful.

The only definition of someone who is skilled in a game is someone who can consistently win against any opponent within the rules of the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

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  • 08.02.2007 4:00 PM PDT
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So pro MLG players think they are a pro if they can use Br glitch? Sad, very sad.

[Edited on 08.02.2007 4:48 PM PDT]

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^You're an idiot, STFU.

  • 08.02.2007 4:54 PM PDT

Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain

Posted by: Fritz White
I can just picture Mechalord reading his post to a group of Halo fans at GameStop in real life: loud, halting speech, his pimpled face turning red with anger at weak noobs, wildly gesticulating and banging the counter to drive his point home, stroking his tiny teen mustache like Halo Hitler. You need a girlfriend buddy.

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Posted by: binklet
I guess that makes you a saint silversoth?


No, its just another "scrub" (pollitically correct term) whining about the game.


LOL, so if I happen to have a different opinion and decide to post it im automatically whining? Whatever

[Edited on 08.02.2007 4:57 PM PDT]

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HAHA MLG are a bunch of little kids playing video games for money very sad indeed... and yeah even Bungie says that button glitching is cheating so if caught some how then you are banned I believe so you STFU kid. Yeah and if you are more skillful for doing the BR glitch then really you need a life.. because most people don't even try that -blam!-, and makes you look like a fool doing it to the people just playing that game with no glitches.

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  • 08.02.2007 4:58 PM PDT

Never argue with idiots. They force you down to their level, then win because of experience.

Shadowrun=Halo 1>Halo 3>Halo 2>Gears of War>Nothing.

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Don't be a scrub. Play to win.

Posted by: Helljumper1989
So pro MLG players think they are a pro if they can use Br glitch? Sad, very sad.
It takes so much more than being proficient at glitching to be pro at Halo 2. It requires tactics and team work, not just glitching. The most skilled players are at the top not because they glitch, but because of their superior tactics and team work.

What is sad is your ignorance.

  • 08.02.2007 5:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr Orzhov
Posted by: Helljumper1989
So pro MLG players think they are a pro if they can use Br glitch? Sad, very sad.
It takes so much more than being proficient at glitching to be pro at Halo 2. It requires tactics and team work, not just glitching. The most skilled players are at the top not because they glitch, but because of their superior tactics and team work.

What is sad is your ignorance.


Explain what you think ignorance means. If you say stupid then that makes you ignorant.

  • 08.02.2007 5:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Helljumper1989
Posted by: Mr Orzhov
Posted by: Helljumper1989
So pro MLG players think they are a pro if they can use Br glitch? Sad, very sad.
It takes so much more than being proficient at glitching to be pro at Halo 2. It requires tactics and team work, not just glitching. The most skilled players are at the top not because they glitch, but because of their superior tactics and team work.

What is sad is your ignorance.


Explain what you think ignorance means. If you say stupid then that makes you ignorant.


Ignorance is not having knowledge.

Like how you have no knowledge at all of what being an MLG Pro is.

MLG Pros are pro because they CAN BEAT ALL NON-PROS. they are the bets of the best. They aren't pro because of button glitches, they were actually pro BEFORE button glitches.

  • 08.02.2007 6:12 PM PDT