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Subject: What really constitues skill in Halo?
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Posted by: Helljumper1989
HAHA MLG are a bunch of little kids playing video games for money very sad indeed... and yeah even Bungie says that button glitching is cheating so if caught some how then you are banned I believe so you STFU kid. Yeah and if you are more skillful for doing the BR glitch then really you need a life.. because most people don't even try that -blam!-, and makes you look like a fool doing it to the people just playing that game with no glitches.


Judging by your maturity level, most pros are probably older than you, or at least ACT older.

Funny, they don't go around talking -blam!- about other kids playing this game, even though they have more right than anyone too. yet its the pathetic little boy like who comes onto a forum and talks about how they are such big losers, even though he hasn't met a single one of them. Sounds like pure jealousy and ignorance to me.

He's not more skilled because of a glitch, he's more skilled because he's just plain better, with or without glitches.

Makes us look like fools? Here's your ignorance again. I play mostly customs, with other people who glitch. The people who join my party and refuse to make themsleves look like fools, ignoring doing something useful thats allowed that can only benefit them.

  • 08.02.2007 6:17 PM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

Posted by: AJesoxhntr54
I just youtubed RRX.

I played a guy last night who was doing that. No freaking wonder he was so good. OF COURSE that's cheating.

No, he was good anyways if he could consistently doubleshot without the use of a modified controller. He would have beat you without doubleshotting. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to consistently doubleshot? It's a skill, like anything else in the game.

  • 08.02.2007 6:36 PM PDT

Never argue with idiots. They force you down to their level, then win because of experience.

Shadowrun=Halo 1>Halo 3>Halo 2>Gears of War>Nothing.

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Posted by: Mr Orzhov
Posted by: Helljumper1989
So pro MLG players think they are a pro if they can use Br glitch? Sad, very sad.
It takes so much more than being proficient at glitching to be pro at Halo 2. It requires tactics and team work, not just glitching. The most skilled players are at the top not because they glitch, but because of their superior tactics and team work.

What is sad is your ignorance.


Explain what you think ignorance means. If you say stupid then that makes you ignorant.


Ignorance is not stupidity; it is the lack of knowledge.

Oh, and good job on trying to call me out instead of arguing your point.

Wait, you never had one. Just ignorant flaming.

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  • 08.03.2007 2:18 PM PDT
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I gurantee the thread starter has no levels 30 or above so he cannot say what "consitutes skill".

  • 08.03.2007 2:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: IIDWells55XII
Posted by: AJesoxhntr54
I just youtubed RRX.

I played a guy last night who was doing that. No freaking wonder he was so good. OF COURSE that's cheating.

No, he was good anyways if he could consistently doubleshot without the use of a modified controller. He would have beat you without doubleshotting. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to consistently doubleshot? It's a skill, like anything else in the game.

  • 08.03.2007 2:28 PM PDT

Never argue with idiots. They force you down to their level, then win because of experience.

Shadowrun=Halo 1>Halo 3>Halo 2>Gears of War>Nothing.

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Don't be a scrub. Play to win.

Posted by: I ToXiC ChAoS I
I gurantee the thread starter has no levels 30 or above so he cannot say what "consitutes skill".
Ranks don't really matter, as there is a lot of cheating and quitters in MM. Plus, it doesn't keep track of custom games. When I used to play Halo 2, I avoided MM at all costs, yet I was a fairly good player, better than many 30+ players.

  • 08.03.2007 3:21 PM PDT
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Think about it this way: I am currently a 31 in TS and around that rank, pretty much everybody double shots and BXRs. So if I chose not to do those glitches I would be putting myself at a disadvantage, so I choose to use them to keep up with everyone else.

  • 08.04.2007 12:17 PM PDT
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Button combos really piss me off and people do really rely on button combos i was playin team hardcore with some 25's (im lvl 4 in team hardcore playin wit freinds) and people were tryin to bxb and bxr and messin it up all u have 2 do is beat down normally and most of the time you will own someone tryin to bxb you (unless their pro)

The number one thing that makes you good at halo is working with your team, if you get 20 kills and 20 deaths did you really help your team?
No going positive and working in pairs is the best way 2 win

  • 08.04.2007 1:06 PM PDT

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Someone please explain this. If the glitchers can own me without the glitches, then why the hell would they use them? Almost every button glitcher that posted here claims to be great at this game without it, so I really don't see the point in them. Not a flame, just an honest question.

  • 08.04.2007 7:17 PM PDT
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Because it makes them better.


Why beat someone by 2 when you can beat them by 10?

  • 08.04.2007 8:24 PM PDT
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To me? Finishing with the most kills without cheating or using button combos. And it's even better not using a Battle Rifle at all. ahaha

  • 08.04.2007 8:35 PM PDT

John 3:16

It's funny how people follow use the notion of cheating to support their claims about "noob glitching".

Right and wrong are ideas. They themselves do not define anything aside from being "right or wrong".
So many people brand button combo users as cheaters. While, according to both Bungie and XBL, they are, it doesn't change the fact that it takes effort, concentration, and good judgment to be used properly.

Those who don't support button combos immediately put the notion of cheating as the top priority on their list. Then afterwards remain ignorant to the fact that button combo's aren't uber. And that they simply boost a players performance about 5-15%. Further more, they ignore the idea that using button combos effectively like RRX take more effort than Dualing Weapons, sword slashing, rocket launching, Quick Scoping, etc.

What's worse is that they blame button combos for their misfortunes just as they complain about MLG users blaming their deaths over a sword slash.
IF no-scoping was considered cheating by the officials, the same people would bash no scoping simply because it was a cheat. If it wasn't for Bungie and XBl, people who disapprove of Button combos wouldn't have much to say.


My point? People aren't being reasonable. it's already covered the button combos are cheating. But non-supporters continue to bash "button combos" without effectively combating the fact that they take skill to master. If your going to talk about button glitching, talk about it. Instead, the idea that button combo's is cheating is on top of almost everyones list. And it's silly since, it is cheating.

I support the idea that button combo's take skill .But I also take into consideration that the officials say it's cheating. I don't see how "right and wrong" determined skill. Which is the topic's primary discussion.

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Here's my say about button combos. They add depth to Halo 2's competitive game play. It's what makes the game more than "spray and pray". It's what bridges the gaps between skill levels. It's what helps assuage the game's competitive weakness of having a tremendous amount of auto-aim.

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  • 08.04.2007 8:37 PM PDT

"Ideas are bulletproof!"
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Its funny how a majority of the people who call out button-glitchers as people who aren't good, tend to have like a 27% win ratio.

GEEE! I can't imagine why they lose so often......TOTALY has nothing to do with the people in matchmaking, especially Hardcore, that constantly spawn-kill you and button combo you and then CHEAT you out of your fare win.

I mean I can't tell you how many times I've 1v1nd "BK's" and totally owned them. And the only difference is that they weren't allowed to button glitch without being booted.
Don't get me wrong there are plenty of punk kids that think they are good and just aren't but just because they don't bxr like a noob, dosen't mean they're bad when they loose to someone who dose. Look at me before the rank reset I was a legit 32 in slayer and now I'm a 21 because every noob with a head shot weapon can cheat, and I don't feel like cheating them back.

  • 08.04.2007 9:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr Orzhov
Posted by: I ToXiC ChAoS I
I gurantee the thread starter has no levels 30 or above so he cannot say what "consitutes skill".
Ranks don't really matter, as there is a lot of cheating and quitters in MM. Plus, it doesn't keep track of custom games. When I used to play Halo 2, I avoided MM at all costs, yet I was a fairly good player, better than many 30+ players.
Coming from the kid who has a 8 in TSN and has only won about a fourth of his TSN games I would expect that.

  • 08.04.2007 9:45 PM PDT

If you're fighting fair, your tactics suck!

Posted by: I ToXiC ChAoS I
Posted by: Mr Orzhov
Posted by: I ToXiC ChAoS I
I gurantee the thread starter has no levels 30 or above so he cannot say what "consitutes skill".
Ranks don't really matter, as there is a lot of cheating and quitters in MM. Plus, it doesn't keep track of custom games. When I used to play Halo 2, I avoided MM at all costs, yet I was a fairly good player, better than many 30+ players.
Coming from the kid who has a 8 in TSN and has only won about a fourth of his TSN games I would expect that.
Look at my lvl im a 4. and yet im a good player. not great just one above the normal player. My point is a number does not say how good you are. People like you who rush in and say a player is bad (In this case cannot say what consitutes skill wich every one with a brain in there skull can) think of that number too much when "Skill" comes to mind. (not saying anything but usually i would be challenged with a "1v1" When ever i try to explain this)

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^You lost your only TSN game at level 1, don't talk about him.

  • 08.04.2007 10:31 PM PDT

If you're fighting fair, your tactics suck!

Posted by: A BiG FaT EIiT3
^You lost your only TSN game at level 1, don't talk about him.
Me or him? (Sorry for noobness but TSN?)

  • 08.04.2007 10:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Link 04
Its funny how a majority of the people who call out button-glitchers as people who aren't good, tend to have like a 27% win ratio.

GEEE! I can't imagine why they lose so often......TOTALY has nothing to do with the people in matchmaking, especially Hardcore, that constantly spawn-kill you and button combo you and then CHEAT you out of your fare win.

I mean I can't tell you how many times I've 1v1nd "BK's" and totally owned them. And the only difference is that they weren't allowed to button glitch without being booted.
Don't get me wrong there are plenty of punk kids that think they are good and just aren't but just because they don't bxr like a noob, dosen't mean they're bad when they loose to someone who dose. Look at me before the rank reset I was a legit 32 in slayer and now I'm a 21 because every noob with a head shot weapon can cheat, and I don't feel like cheating them back.


See, stop making excuses. that's what annoys me the most here. i don't care if you are for or against button glitching, but don't come here and give me the complete BS that the only reason people beat you is because of button glitches. Button glitches won't make someone that was worse than you, better than you. They don't have that kind of improvement. You lost to people who were better than you with or without glitches.

  • 08.04.2007 11:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: xVxV3ndettA
It's funny how people follow use the notion of cheating to support their claims about "noob glitching".

Right and wrong are ideas. They themselves do not define anything aside from being "right or wrong".
So many people brand button combo users as cheaters. While, according to both Bungie and XBL, they are, it doesn't change the fact that it takes effort, concentration, and good judgment to be used properly.

Those who don't support button combos immediately put the notion of cheating as the top priority on their list. Then afterwards remain ignorant to the fact that button combo's aren't uber. And that they simply boost a players performance about 5-15%. Further more, they ignore the idea that using button combos effectively like RRX take more effort than Dualing Weapons, sword slashing, rocket launching, Quick Scoping, etc.

What's worse is that they blame button combos for their misfortunes just as they complain about MLG users blaming their deaths over a sword slash.
IF no-scoping was considered cheating by the officials, the same people would bash no scoping simply because it was a cheat. If it wasn't for Bungie and XBl, people who disapprove of Button combos wouldn't have much to say.


My point? People aren't being reasonable. it's already covered the button combos are cheating. But non-supporters continue to bash "button combos" without effectively combating the fact that they take skill to master. If your going to talk about button glitching, talk about it. Instead, the idea that button combo's is cheating is on top of almost everyones list. And it's silly since, it is cheating.

I support the idea that button combo's take skill .But I also take into consideration that the officials say it's cheating. I don't see how "right and wrong" determined skill. Which is the topic's primary discussion.

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Here's my say about button combos. They add depth to Halo 2's competitive game play. It's what makes the game more than "spray and pray". It's what bridges the gaps between skill levels. It's what helps assuage the game's competitive weakness of having a tremendous amount of auto-aim.


I applaud you for a well written and excellent post.

Posted by: FKxPandemic
Ignorance is not having knowledge.

Like how you have no knowledge at all of what being an MLG Pro is.

MLG Pros are pro because they CAN BEAT ALL NON-PROS. they are the bets of the best. They aren't pro because of button glitches, they were actually pro BEFORE button glitches.


Intelligence: What FK Pandemic has.

[Edited on 08.05.2007 1:41 AM PDT]

  • 08.05.2007 1:40 AM PDT
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You know, this arguement has been tossed back and forth and back and forth so many times that I don't feel like getting that in-depth with it, but for the sake of discussion I'll try to make this short and to the point.

Basically, what consistutes skill in this game is the ability to shoot your opponents, support your team mates, achieve objectives, and use logic/tactics.

Players that can do all the aforementioned things are considered "Good." You're skilled.

Now, there will come a point for some players where they get to a bar of skill with others. In which case, they may use glitches to "widen the gap," so to speak. I'm not going to delve into this, it has already been posted by both sides.

Pretty much, glitches are there to add another level of play. And it's not big a level, as most people can do the easy stuff (BxB and BxR) while the majority can't do the difficult ones (RRX, BXRRRX)

We know it's considered cheating because of the Terms of Use, but this is how some people play the game. Primarily Team Hardcore/MLG players and enthusiats will play this way.

Ehh, not much more to say. This arguement gets really old really fast though :-/

  • 08.05.2007 1:47 AM PDT