Halo 2 Forum
This topic has moved here: Subject: What really constitues skill in Halo?
  • Subject: What really constitues skill in Halo?
  • gamertag: MoVaFo
  • user homepage:

HALO<3

i can quad shot and bxr people but im not that good at halo because its boring now

  • 08.05.2007 3:49 AM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

Posted by: FKxPandemic
I disagree with the button glitches. I'm not arguing that they aren't exploiting glitches, or cheating blah blah blah. But its certainly ignorant to say that anyone who uses them is not good. A majority of people who use button glitches, would be just as good without them. The people that rely on button glitches aren't good, but most people don't rely on them. Your opinion basically said all halo pros aren't good at Halo. Funny thing is, they were pros without glitches, and still would be. they don't need them, and button glitches do not have a big enough impact on a player to make him good. A bad player using button glitches does not get any better.

And I must add, RRX is probably the most skill based part of Halo. Yes its a glitch, but it takes a lot of skill to not only be able to use it, but use it consistently, effectively, and accurately. It is probably the hardest thing to master in halo2.

Posted by: FKxPandemic
I disagree with the button glitches. I'm not arguing that they aren't exploiting glitches, or cheating blah blah blah. But its certainly ignorant to say that anyone who uses them is not good. A majority of people who use button glitches, would be just as good without them. The people that rely on button glitches aren't good, but most people don't rely on them. Your opinion basically said all halo pros aren't good at Halo. Funny thing is, they were pros without glitches, and still would be. they don't need them, and button glitches do not have a big enough impact on a player to make him good. A bad player using button glitches does not get any better.

And I must add, RRX is probably the most skill based part of Halo. Yes its a glitch, but it takes a lot of skill to not only be able to use it, but use it consistently, effectively, and accurately. It is probably the hardest thing to master in halo2.



wrong1!!! THGAT IS SKILL IN MORTALKOMBAT IN MATCHMAKING IS CHEATING BYTHE WAY NOT ALL PROSALRRE THAT GOOD PROS MAYBE GOOD BUT WITHOUT GLICTHES THEY REALLY ARE LESS POWERFUL I HAVE SEeN VoD


TEAMWORK+ AIM +SMART PLAY=SKILL

GLITHCES+CHEATING


EVERY GLICCTHER IS A CHEATER I HEARD KP WAS BANNED FOR BXR

[Edited on 08.05.2007 6:50 AM PDT]

  • 08.05.2007 6:48 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

I totally agree with the part that if your good with one thing you might not be good with the other, I'm good at battlerifles (no button glitches for me,)
And not so great with the sniper, carbine, or shotgun.

  • 08.05.2007 8:14 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: BestSpartan117
Posted by: FKxPandemic
I disagree with the button glitches. I'm not arguing that they aren't exploiting glitches, or cheating blah blah blah. But its certainly ignorant to say that anyone who uses them is not good. A majority of people who use button glitches, would be just as good without them. The people that rely on button glitches aren't good, but most people don't rely on them. Your opinion basically said all halo pros aren't good at Halo. Funny thing is, they were pros without glitches, and still would be. they don't need them, and button glitches do not have a big enough impact on a player to make him good. A bad player using button glitches does not get any better.

And I must add, RRX is probably the most skill based part of Halo. Yes its a glitch, but it takes a lot of skill to not only be able to use it, but use it consistently, effectively, and accurately. It is probably the hardest thing to master in halo2.

Posted by: FKxPandemic
I disagree with the button glitches. I'm not arguing that they aren't exploiting glitches, or cheating blah blah blah. But its certainly ignorant to say that anyone who uses them is not good. A majority of people who use button glitches, would be just as good without them. The people that rely on button glitches aren't good, but most people don't rely on them. Your opinion basically said all halo pros aren't good at Halo. Funny thing is, they were pros without glitches, and still would be. they don't need them, and button glitches do not have a big enough impact on a player to make him good. A bad player using button glitches does not get any better.

And I must add, RRX is probably the most skill based part of Halo. Yes its a glitch, but it takes a lot of skill to not only be able to use it, but use it consistently, effectively, and accurately. It is probably the hardest thing to master in halo2.



wrong1!!! THGAT IS SKILL IN MORTALKOMBAT IN MATCHMAKING IS CHEATING BYTHE WAY NOT ALL PROSALRRE THAT GOOD PROS MAYBE GOOD BUT WITHOUT GLICTHES THEY REALLY ARE LESS POWERFUL I HAVE SEeN VoD


TEAMWORK+ AIM +SMART PLAY=SKILL

GLITHCES+CHEATING


EVERY GLICCTHER IS A CHEATER I HEARD KP WAS BANNED FOR BXR


You're such a fool.

Last i checked, there is no RRX in mortal Kombat.

RRX is a HALO SKILL, the only game its in, IS HALO. It still requires using the firing button IN HALO. It still requires aiming the reticule IN HALO.

RRX is skill based because its insanely hard to aim. You can't just say, "I'm going to 3 shot people today" and do it. Also, last i checked, mastering it won't make you any better at mortal combat idiot. You must be twelve, you don't have the intelligence of anything past it. Halo has button combos buddy, EVERY VIDEO GAME does, because you hit buttons to do everything. Double melee is BB. that's a button combo, it must be only for Mortal Kombat skills. People who melee in Halo are only good at Mortal Kombat.

Melee+headshot. That kills, its a button combo, BR. Must be only for Mortal Kombat.

4 Shot. RRRR. That's a combination of buttons, is it not?

Flag/Ball/Bomb One Hit kill. AB. Another combination of buttons.

But you're right, using another button on the controller, to simply speed it up, suddenly makes it a Mortal Kombat skill, even though you're doing the exact same thing.

And learn to type.

"uoibrcibhcwbjioec" Oh look, I typed like you.

"GLITHCES+CHEATING" I don't get this. Glitches+Cheating? What does it equal?


Oh, and all pros are good, glitches or not idiot. Wow, you've seen VoD, congrats, where pros are playing other pros. They aren't going to look as good when playing people as good. But, watch them play someone like YOU, and next thing you know, they're going +35 while blanking you in CTF Middy.

  • 08.05.2007 10:44 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Location: Outlaws' Summit.

Posted by: Mad1Mwuaha
supporting team mates, ahaha, as if that ever won any1 a game...


If you're joking, then good joke.

If you're serious then you obviously don't know how the game works. Halo 2 is a team game. Lets just make this cut and clear:

Who's going to win in a fight of these opponents who each posess equal skill?

A.) One person with a battle rifle

or

B.) Two people with a battle rifle

And both sides see each other at the same time?

I'll let y'all figure that one out on your own.

[Edited on 08.05.2007 10:58 AM PDT]

  • 08.05.2007 10:57 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Location: Outlaws' Summit.

nvm, plz disregard this post (sorry bout that)

[Edited on 08.05.2007 11:09 AM PDT]

  • 08.05.2007 11:05 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

If nobody has been banned for, and the great majority of players accept it, then why don't you do it? By choosing not to do button glitches you are just giving yourself a disadvantage. Button combos take skill, skill that you apparently don't have.

  • 08.05.2007 11:12 AM PDT

Posted by: Hypernovian
Posted by: Viper Venom
did you ever hear of an auto-cocker?
...Thats what she said.

Posted by: TheKilla88
THIS IS AN OPINION, IT IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND ANYBODY. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THROUGH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN

We all see players, and face players, who could own us off the planet. But, does that nessecerily make them 'good' at Halo? Here is what I mean:


Weapons and Glitches:

Say you are playing Team Snipers, and you see a legit player no scope someone across the map. That is surely amazing, but does that mean they are good? One no scope might take a lot of skill or a little skill. But if that same player no-scopes you from across the map while your moving more than once, you can probably assume he's good. But if a glitcher or a superbouncer no scope you, does that make him good? No, it doesn't. Anyone who needs to use glitches to gain advantage over another player is not very good at Halo. Some people think "Oh, well, we are losing, so I needed to" No, you don't. If you were as good as you say you were, you wouldn't need those glitches.

Now, is that legit player in Team Snipers really 'good'? Maybe, maybe not. Having skill with one weapon does not necessarily mean hes good at all games. He might be able to kick your ass at Snipers, but if you play him with Br's only or SMG"s only, he might suck. Having skill in one weapon doesn't mean your 'good'. It just means you can play well with one weapons. But those who can play team snipers and own and play with Br's and own, does it mean they are good? No. A real player has skill with every weapon that takes skill.

But what weapons really take skill? Sure, we all know that the sword and Shotgun don't take skill, but why? People say that for two reasons

1. They have to lie to themselves because they just got owned by a sword and it ended their killing spree
2. Becuase you just pull the trigger and you pretty much kill someone.

But if the weapons take no skill, why do they use them? Mostly, backup. If you have a br and a sniper, its a good combo for longrange, but what about short? If someone is right next to you with a shotgun, your pretty much screwed unless you can fire first with a sniper and get a headshot. What about button combos?

If you use button combos, you are not 'good' at Halo. Those really make any weapon into a weapon that takes no skill. "But you have to aim towards their head if you want it to work" As true as that may be, Is it really that hard to aim at someones head? Believe it or not, button combos mean you pretty much can't win any other way. "I can own someone without button combos! Don't call them noobish!" If you can own players without them, than do it.

So, here are the things that really constitute skill i've covered to far

1. Skill with multiple weapons (accuracy, ability to shoot while moving while keeping aim at some ones head) You have to be able to kill players with all of them.
2. Completely Legit. No glitches whatsover.

Grenades

Does sticking someone from far away mean your 'good'? No. Does the ability to stick people far away every time you try mean your 'good'? Yes. If you can do it every time, you have skill with it. That couples with a skill of weapons is pretty much kick ass. But lucky sticks where you throw a grenade where you saw an enemy, those don't constitute skill. As cool as they are, if you wern't meaning to do it, its not really skill.

Frag grenades are somewhat the same. They usually are used to take down someones shields, and then the players finish them off with weapons. But does doing this mean your any worse? No. A real player should use every legit advantage he has. If other players call you noobs for using grenades, they are just jealous becuase you just totaly kicked their asses off the map. A grenade coupled with a shot to the head from any rifle is a deadly combination, and if you can master this, that can qualify you as 'good'

So, here is the list again.


1. Skill with multiple weapons (accuracy, ability to shoot while moving while keeping aim at some ones head) You have to be able to kill players with all of them.
2. Completely Legit. No glitches whatsover.
3. Uses grenades and can hit their targets every time

Duel Wielding, Noob combo?

Does duel wielding and using the 'noob combo' (Plasma pistol, Br) mean your any worse. Yes and no. They can be both skillfull and unessecary. A real player should never pass up the chance for a longer range weapon. But, in smaller levels, like Turf or Foundation, duel wields can be very helpful. So, if a player is using a duel wield on a bigger map where a BR would be better, yes, it means poor judgement. It doesn't mean a player can't be very skilled with that duel, however.

'Noob comboing' is shooting a charged plasma pistol and then shooting a player in the head with a BR. But, you guessed it, does that really mean he's any worse? No, it doesn't. Although it can get annoying when people use it against you, it is skillful playing. I reccomend not to use the noob combo though, because you will get flamed, and will be picked on by the other team. Sometimes, they start using it against you untill you die.

So, here is the list:

1. Skill with multiple weapons (accuracy, ability to shoot while moving while keeping aim at some ones head) You have to be able to kill players with all of them.
2. Completely Legit. No glitches whatsover.
3. Uses grenades and can hit their targets every time
4. Uses duel wields and combos when needed, and effictively


Knowledge of maps

A knowledge of the maps your playing on is key. Knowing every hiding spot, pathway, and weapon spawn is the first thing you should learn. If you cant do anything on the list, using your knowledge of the maps can help you win. "Camping is noobish, though." Don't you camp whenever your shields are down? You don't even have to camp. If you know shortcuts to get around the map quickly, such as jumping off paths and landing on others or ways to get around unnoticed, You are pretty much invisible. If you can be at Point A and get to Point B quickly and stealthly, You can win.

So, here is my finished list:

1. Skill with multiple weapons (accuracy, ability to shoot while moving while keeping aim at some ones head) You have to be able to kill players with all of them.
2. Completely Legit. No glitches whatsover.
3. Uses grenades and can hit their targets every time
4. Uses duel wields and combos when needed, and effictively

AGAIN, I WILL STATE THIS THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, IT IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND ANYONE


NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!

  • 08.05.2007 11:18 AM PDT

Posted by: cB4d93
Posted by: Silent Eli
you are a good translator
Idiot can be a hard language to learn, but once you get it down, everything becomes so clear! The whole world will make sense to you.

By the people I play with, being a jerk constituted towards skill.

  • 08.05.2007 11:22 AM PDT

Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get... but you can bet it will be chocolate.

You can only get so good at using a weapon. It all comes down to Team Play. The pros and all them at mlg are considered pro because they have mastered the maps, which weapons to use at what time, where to be in coordination with their team, how to spread their team out so everyone is covered, banking grenades off of walls and such to where its impossible to shoot, and of course predicting where the enemy will move. In others words... THEY ARE SMART. If you put me next to Ogre 2, gave us both a BR and told us to kill eachother with me getting the first shot... im going to win. Like i said before, you can only get so good at a weapon. Now if you put Ogre 2 and the rest of Final Boss up against me and... whatever friends i can dig up at the time and gave us all BR's. Final Boss would rip me along with my team to shreads... because they move as a unit, cover eachother, and always double up on people... THEY ARE SMART! Halo is a gave of brains. Anyone can master the BR to the point where they gets headshots 9 out of 10 of their shots. But if they arent smart, and put themselves out in the open... then they are considered bad players even though they gets head shots like crazy. The way i consider people good at halo, is if they make right decisions in a game for where they have to be depending on where their team is, and of course their quick thinking. I mean look at the top players in MLG... none of them look stupid. To be good at halo, you need to be smart.

  • 08.05.2007 11:26 AM PDT

This unit may wreck, or explode at any moment.

Posted by: FKxPandemic




Makes us look like fools? Here's your ignorance again. I play mostly customs, with other people who glitch. The people who join my party and refuse to make themsleves look like fools, ignoring doing something useful thats allowed that can only benefit them.


Looking at your games, it appears you mostly play team training, surely you don't glitch in those do you?

  • 08.05.2007 11:58 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: mongoliancluster
Posted by: FKxPandemic




Makes us look like fools? Here's your ignorance again. I play mostly customs, with other people who glitch. The people who join my party and refuse to make themsleves look like fools, ignoring doing something useful thats allowed that can only benefit them.


Looking at your games, it appears you mostly play team training, surely you don't glitch in those do you?


Why would I need to in training?

Most of the time I play training, i don't even shoot.

  • 08.05.2007 12:50 PM PDT

This unit may wreck, or explode at any moment.

according to the breakdown on the stats, it seems that 90%+ of your kills on team training are from shooting, with a very small percentage of grenade and melee.

  • 08.05.2007 1:10 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: BestSpartan117
wrong1!!! THGAT IS SKILL IN MORTALKOMBAT IN MATCHMAKING IS CHEATING BYTHE WAY NOT ALL PROSALRRE THAT GOOD PROS MAYBE GOOD BUT WITHOUT GLICTHES THEY REALLY ARE LESS POWERFUL I HAVE SEeN VoD


TEAMWORK+ AIM +SMART PLAY=SKILL

GLITHCES+CHEATING


EVERY GLICCTHER IS A CHEATER I HEARD KP WAS BANNED FOR BXR

ok, if teamwork+aim+ smart play=skill, how can you say that not all pros are good? They are pro because they have all of the qualities you listed.

BTW, people should need to pass a literacy test to make an account on these forums...

  • 08.05.2007 1:21 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: mongoliancluster
according to the breakdown on the stats, it seems that 90%+ of your kills on team training are from shooting, with a very small percentage of grenade and melee.


Which stats, the one's linked to my profile?

I'm still questioning what you're getting at by being obsessed with my team training games.

  • 08.05.2007 1:22 PM PDT

If you're fighting fair, your tactics suck!

Posted by: bligiduh
Posted by: BestSpartan117
wrong1!!! THGAT IS SKILL IN MORTALKOMBAT IN MATCHMAKING IS CHEATING BYTHE WAY NOT ALL PROSALRRE THAT GOOD PROS MAYBE GOOD BUT WITHOUT GLICTHES THEY REALLY ARE LESS POWERFUL I HAVE SEeN VoD


TEAMWORK+ AIM +SMART PLAY=SKILL

GLITHCES+CHEATING


EVERY GLICCTHER IS A CHEATER I HEARD KP WAS BANNED FOR BXR

ok, if teamwork+aim+ smart play=skill, how can you say that not all pros are good? They are pro because they have all of the qualities you listed.

BTW, people should need to pass a literacy test to make an account on these forums...
I agree with the last line very strongly.

  • 08.05.2007 1:38 PM PDT

This unit may wreck, or explode at any moment.

Yes, those stats. I'm not obsessed with them, Just looking to see if what you said was backed up on the stats. I was however pleased that you do have stats listed, alot of the people on here talk about how good they are and have no stats linked to back it up. But you still have not answered the question.

[Edited on 08.05.2007 2:25 PM PDT]

  • 08.05.2007 2:24 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Hay guyz I can beat everyone in this topic with or without button glitches.

  • 08.05.2007 2:41 PM PDT

This unit may wreck, or explode at any moment.

Thats nice, but you should have stayed in school and learned to spell. It just might be more usefull in life.

  • 08.05.2007 2:47 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: mongoliancluster
Thats nice, but you should have stayed in school and learned to spell. It just might be more usefull in life.

It just might be more usefull in life.
usefull

  • 08.05.2007 2:50 PM PDT

This unit may wreck, or explode at any moment.

Well, you proved me wrong, you are smart enough to use a dictionary.

  • 08.05.2007 2:55 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

No, I was just smart enough to know useful doesn't have two L's.

  • 08.05.2007 2:57 PM PDT

This unit may wreck, or explode at any moment.

But you can't spell hey or guys? Sure.

  • 08.05.2007 2:58 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Location: Outlaws' Summit.

Posted by: FKxPandemic
Posted by: mongoliancluster
Posted by: FKxPandemic




Makes us look like fools? Here's your ignorance again. I play mostly customs, with other people who glitch. The people who join my party and refuse to make themsleves look like fools, ignoring doing something useful thats allowed that can only benefit them.


Looking at your games, it appears you mostly play team training, surely you don't glitch in those do you?


Why would I need to in training?

Most of the time I play training, i don't even shoot.


Yet you still managed like 18 kills in that game we played a few nights ago LOL

  • 08.05.2007 3:02 PM PDT