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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: BL4H00G4N4
I smell a hint. Tell us what you know. Now.

-Blahoo . . .please?

I have no idea what you are talking about.


Top right corner of the thread = Solution

I understood what you were suggesting. I was replying that I was not giving out any hints.

But thank you for the illustration. I was picturing it placed on the "reply" and "message user" line myself. That way it would report the thread down to the actual post ID and could also be used (in the dialog that would pop up) and allow a member to report an individual who is misbehaving in addition to being able to report a thread.

Or perhaps two links. A "report member" and a "report post" entry.

Hmmmmm. It's all speculation and wishes at this point.
I disagree with the idea of a "Report" button available to regular members unless extremely heavily tweaked. Any new idea here must take into account that this site is not like others in that it is extremely high-traffic and, for many, extremely low-maturity. A small handful of members here get a kick out of disrupting things rather than participating in any meaningful way. In other words, their participation in B.net is restricted to spamming, trolling, and otherwise bad behavior. This gives them another tool to play "let's annoy people" with.

There are far too many bad scenarios that cannot even be contemplated with a feature like this to make it available to all members. Right off the top of my head, I can think of the obvious ones -- 1) spammers hitting the "report all threads" button ad nauseum, never stopping. EVER. 2) Trolls hitting the "report thread" button on other "on-the-line" posts to delay or prevent the moderators from seeing their thread; 3) Coordinated "report thread" attacks against specific moderators or users. The list goes on.

I strongly disagree with this idea in its raw, untweaked current format.

  • 08.03.2007 10:05 AM PDT

Umm excuse me Mr. Recon Number 54 Ninja Mod, but umm can i ask you please!
Why can i not start a topic in any forum and also in my group i can't change my role and i was the founder
of it and i don't no how to change it please help me and sorry for posting in the wrong place
i can't post anywhere else.

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  • 08.03.2007 10:32 AM PDT

*Sgt

If somebody wants their own thread locked, they should just change the title to "mods lock please," or something like that. If users could lock their own threads, many would probably close it the second somebody came in and opposed their idea.

  • 08.03.2007 11:33 AM PDT

Not really much point tbh being able to lock ur own topics.... i support the guy above me ^

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  • 08.03.2007 12:00 PM PDT

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No, you shouldn't. Once you post a thread, it isn't yours anymore. It is part of the community, and you don't get to choose when you can stop other people's dicussions.

Posted by: Extreme Potatoe
i think this would be a great idea. because if you make a thread and then dont like it you can lock it.
brilliant!

i mean lock the threads that only you create, no one elses

  • 08.03.2007 12:44 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: Mabian
This idea has been proposed many times before. I'll see if I can recall the problem. I think it went something like this:

If people could lock their own threads, they would abuse the fact that if they were proposing an argument and losing, they would be able to simply ignore the points and lock the thread so that there would be no more counter-points.

If I dig something up on a past thread, I'll link you to it.

For future reference, this is a thread about the Bungie.net Community, and therefore belongs in the Bungie.net Community forum.


In reply to both this and Recon.

While you do not literally OWN a thread you create, it is still your creation in a way. You made it, so you should have some privelage. While it may be abused to "win" arguments by locking, this is completely pointless to prevent anyways. So what if they are too full of themselves and lock the thread. This prevents pages and pages of circular arguments with a person who wont change his mind no matter what. They can remain full of themselves for all we should care.

A lock feature for your own topic is in no way abusable at all, and won't cause problems in any way. If a topic is OP locked and other members want to keep discussing, then just create a new topic that the first OP cannot lock. Of course, a report post, or request lock button would also be very helpful. But no matter what it is or how impossible it is to abuse, people claim that anything member run will be abused incredibly. Learn to at least trust some of the members here. We aren't all idiots, just most of us.

  • 08.03.2007 12:47 PM PDT

-S

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
While you do not literally OWN a thread you create, it is still your creation in a way.


Sure.

You made it, so you should have some privelage.

That's a fallacy of logic. By that logic, I can demand that people not play Tombstone or Desolation, because I made much of the geometry in both of those maps.

You're also not allowed to look at the top-down maps in the Halo 2 strategy guide and the Halo 2 Expansion Pack manual, because I made those.

Also? You can't watch the "Attract Reel" that plays if you sit at the Halo 2 menu for very long, because all of the co-op, 90% of the single player, and much of the multiplayer was stuff I recorded at Frankie's desk.

I'll give you a list of Halo 2 and 3 desktops and themes that you may only look at on Thursdays, because I made them so I have the right to say when they're used.

Get the point, yet? Creation does equal special rights or privileges. If you've forgotten what your rights are in these forums, you should check out the CoC and ToS. I believe your rights are made clear there.

[Edited on 08.03.2007 2:51 PM PDT]

  • 08.03.2007 2:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
While you do not literally OWN a thread you create, it is still your creation in a way.


Sure.

You made it, so you should have some privelage.

That's a fallacy of logic. etc, ect.


ehh... I never look at that stuff anyway. ;)

  • 08.03.2007 3:35 PM PDT

-S

Posted by: Rainman89
ehh... I never look at that stuff anyway. ;)


OW.

*waves fist angrily*

You're missing the point!

  • 08.03.2007 5:37 PM PDT
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Read about the Forgotten Spartan I Program
Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: Rainman89
ehh... I never look at that stuff anyway. ;)


OW.

*waves fist angrily*

You're missing the point!


Nah, I got the point back on the first page. I just like messing with people.

  • 08.03.2007 5:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lastosor
Why shouldn't we have the right to stop others' discussions? If we start the discussion then we should be able to end it.


Discussion is a two-way action. When someone is able to end it for all parties, it simply becomes dictation. This is a place for discussion, so no one, except the moderators, has the right to end a discussion prematurely, and even they only do it when it becomes innappropriate.

  • 08.03.2007 9:12 PM PDT

It's like Achronos said, once a discussion has begun, it is no longer the property of its originator. Sure, the person that began it may have found what they were looking for, but other people may still have other input and things to gain from the discussion.

  • 08.03.2007 9:25 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

I find it dumb how whenever a new feature is thought up that is member controlled it is instantly shot down by, "It will be abused by everyone". There is absolutely no trust in this community is there? You don't even think of trying it to see what might happen, every one of these is just blown off like it will only cause problems. Stop fearing your own community and making excuses. If it is abused, get rid of it. Don't just be paranoid about everything.

This feature has only one negative, the person can lock a topic when he doesn't get his way. It isn't even a full negative, especially when members are free to discuss it further in either groups or a new thread. At least this way members can have a more direct form of assistance with moderators.

If not this, then at least implement a report post/member button to help members help moderators.

  • 08.03.2007 9:58 PM PDT

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I find it dumb how whenever a new feature is thought up that is member controlled it is instantly shot down by, "It will be abused by everyone". There is absolutely no trust in this community is there? You don't even think of trying it to see what might happen, every one of these is just blown off like it will only cause problems. Stop fearing your own community and making excuses. If it is abused, get rid of it. Don't just be paranoid about everything.

This feature has only one negative, the person can lock a topic when he doesn't get his way. It isn't even a full negative, especially when members are free to discuss it further in either groups or a new thread. At least this way members can have a more direct form of assistance with moderators.

If not this, then at least implement a report post/member button to help members help moderators.


I don't really want to be a cynic, but the fact is that there is a very limited application for this idea and it only cuts out one step (reporting to ninjas). If a user accidentally creates a thread and/or it warrants being locked, a mod can be PMed. The Septagon is an example of where the idea might actually work, as users tend to be less... spam-ey.

As far as the reporting is concerned, the idea definitely has some merit, but with some refining. It should only serve to make reporting to a ninja easier. The "trust" part of it is cool and all, and if we can help the mods, great, but the purpose of having mods is that the judgement call is theirs.

  • 08.03.2007 10:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I find it dumb how whenever a new feature is thought up that is member controlled it is instantly shot down by, "It will be abused by everyone". There is absolutely no trust in this community is there? You don't even think of trying it to see what might happen, every one of these is just blown off like it will only cause problems. Stop fearing your own community and making excuses. If it is abused, get rid of it. Don't just be paranoid about everything.

This feature has only one negative, the person can lock a topic when he doesn't get his way. It isn't even a full negative, especially when members are free to discuss it further in either groups or a new thread. At least this way members can have a more direct form of assistance with moderators.

If not this, then at least implement a report post/member button to help members help moderators.


There is no cause to lock your own thread. What possible uses could it have? This is a community and everyone has the right to post in whatever thread is on the board. If you give a member the ability to lock his own thread, that takes away from the rights of the other members of the board. Who are you(for example, not personally) to say I can't disagree with you? Who are you to say I can't present a new idea, and if your post is truly ridiculous, who are you to say I can't show why it's ridiculous in a post and have discussion about it?

No, I can see no legitimate reason for a member to lock their own thread. You do not have "rights" to the thread, this is a discussion forum, and locking a thread out of turn denies the forum's purpose.

  • 08.03.2007 10:20 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

I've never understood why people think that because a feature could be abused means it shouldn't happen. Sure, kitchen knives can be abused, and used to kill people, but does that mean they shouldn't be manufactured?

Anything has the potential to be abused, but that generally doesn't stop things from being created. Nevertheless, I think this would be unnecessary. There will probably end up being a ton of threads locked because someone didn't agree with the original poster.

  • 08.03.2007 11:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I see little reason for this, little potential benefit, other than to reinforce the mistaken impression that "this is my thread".


It doesn't surprise me that you keep coming back to this topic, Recon. As long as I can remember, you've always been very adamant about the "this thread is not your property" statement. I've emulated that (by using that statement) when someone says "GTFO My Thread."

I think the two sides of this argument are interchangeable when it comes to adding any feature. Everytime someone proposes a new feature there are those who say "trust the community with a little more power/privileges" and those who say "this community does not deserve extra privileges". I notice the same people sticking to the same side of the fence most of the time. I personally stick to the "this community does not deserve extra privileges" or "don't fix something that's not broken" side of the fence more often. It's not to say that this community would abuse this feature, but it'd be so easy and so tempting. Nobody likes losing.


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  • 08.03.2007 11:38 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Im not really arguing the overall importance of this one feature anymore, but generally any feature that has member involvement in the main forums. We cannot even post topics in the gallery, so it has since become a stagnant wasteland. We can't lock our own topics because it "isn't our property" and "they would use it to end an argument that they are losing". We can't have signature/avatar images because people would put in vulgar images. We can't have post counts because it promotes elitism. We have virtually decimated everything that a forum is except for its basic function. And whenever a good idea comes up to improve member participation in the overall community, it is usually shot down with, "It will be abused".

1% of over 500,000 people may be a large number of people, but in comparison to the 99% that use it correctly it is a worthy compromise. No matter what it is we have, someone will abuse it. Just because one member out of a hundred is being an idiot doesn't mean that should ruin it for the entire community.

I know that diving in without really checking the depth of the water is sometimes a bad idea. But rather than jump in with all bets off, why not measure it with a meter stick? Test out a system in... say the Flood, General, or the Halo 3 forums. If it works out, move it up to all forums. If there are any problems, than take it down. Speculation is only speculation until it has experience to back it up, no matter how convincing that speculation is.

  • 08.04.2007 12:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
1% of over 500,000 people may be a large number of people, but in comparison to the 99% that use it correctly it is a worthy compromise. No matter what it is we have, someone will abuse it. Just because one member out of a hundred is being an idiot doesn't mean that should ruin it for the entire community.


Often times privileges are take away or denied because a small group of people ruin it for everyone else.

  • 08.04.2007 12:21 AM PDT

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Im not really arguing the overall importance of this one feature anymore, but generally any feature that has member involvement in the main forums. We cannot even post topics in the gallery, so it has since become a stagnant wasteland. We can't lock our own topics because it "isn't our property" and "they would use it to end an argument that they are losing". We can't have signature/avatar images because people would put in vulgar images. We can't have post counts because it promotes elitism. We have virtually decimated everything that a forum is except for its basic function. And whenever a good idea comes up to improve member participation in the overall community, it is usually shot down with, "It will be abused".

1% of over 500,000 people may be a large number of people, but in comparison to the 99% that use it correctly it is a worthy compromise. No matter what it is we have, someone will abuse it. Just because one member out of a hundred is being an idiot doesn't mean that should ruin it for the entire community.

I know that diving in without really checking the depth of the water is sometimes a bad idea. But rather than jump in with all bets off, why not measure it with a meter stick? Test out a system in... say the Flood, General, or the Halo 3 forums. If it works out, move it up to all forums. If there are any problems, than take it down. Speculation is only speculation until it has experience to back it up, no matter how convincing that speculation is.

Remember, though, that they argument isn't just "it will be abused" but that the feature has no legitimate use. There is no circumstance under which a user should be able to lock a thread that they created. The closest to legitimate is when someone figures something out almost immediately after they create a thread, so they change the title to something like "Please lock" and/or they PM a mod. Problem solved.

  • 08.04.2007 12:38 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Im not really arguing the overall importance of this one feature anymore, but generally any feature that has member involvement in the main forums. We cannot even post topics in the gallery, so it has since become a stagnant wasteland. We can't lock our own topics because it "isn't our property" and "they would use it to end an argument that they are losing". We can't have signature/avatar images because people would put in vulgar images. We can't have post counts because it promotes elitism. We have virtually decimated everything that a forum is except for its basic function. And whenever a good idea comes up to improve member participation in the overall community, it is usually shot down with, "It will be abused".

1% of over 500,000 people may be a large number of people, but in comparison to the 99% that use it correctly it is a worthy compromise. No matter what it is we have, someone will abuse it. Just because one member out of a hundred is being an idiot doesn't mean that should ruin it for the entire community.

I know that diving in without really checking the depth of the water is sometimes a bad idea. But rather than jump in with all bets off, why not measure it with a meter stick? Test out a system in... say the Flood, General, or the Halo 3 forums. If it works out, move it up to all forums. If there are any problems, than take it down. Speculation is only speculation until it has experience to back it up, no matter how convincing that speculation is.


Now we're throwing around statistics and numbers, complete with percent signs! Awesome.

I always thought that a forum was about discussion, not pictures next to a name/under a post, not meaningless numbers, and not locking your own topics(you may find it pointless to keep open, but others might not).

Like many others have said, who are you to decide what's worthy of discussion? If nobody wants to talk about a subject, the thread dies. If the topic has gone completely off course, the moderators will lock it. Why waste time and effort creating this feature when what we have now works fine? Giving people this option is like being a half-op in IRC; completely pointless pseudo-authority.


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